can't deadlift?
walking2running
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I went to a trial session with a personal training. I told him that my interest was in lifts. During my workout with the trainer, I was able to deadlift 100 lbs, which I think is "typical" for a beginner woman? But then he told me that I shouldn't attempt on my own, and that I need at least 6 months of training before I can deadlift in the gym. I don't want to continue with personal training sessions. I just can't justify the cost. I am intimidated by the gym as it is, but I really want to incorporate deadlifts and some sort of 5x5 training routine. There wasn't anything bad with my form, I think. So, is that it unless I get a personal trainer?
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Trying to sell you 6 months of sessions is BS. I personally did a trial at a crossfit gym. $30 for 10 sessions. For a certified coach to help with lifting. Ok.... ended up falling in love and never leaving the gym.
But this might be a way to start with Lifting.
If you can train yourself and be careful that would probably be fine4 -
That....sounds like bs to me. I had one session with a personal trainer who actually LISTENED to my desire to focus on basic Olympic lifts (and understood I wasn't interested in hearing any weight loss, hiit stuff that they love to sell to women they correctly or incorrectly assume are uneducated about the benefits of lifting), and he walked me through each of them. I started from doing 30lb deadlifts to 100lbs in less than 2 months. He sees me in the gym regularly and is very encouraging, never ONCE has he said I need to scale it back, up to SIX months, jeez. He just gave me a high five today and was really excited that I've started sl 5x5.
If you have good form, and you're on a reasonable progressive lifting program, I don't see what the problem is.0 -
Pfft, 6 months! Did he say what would happen if you deadlift in the gym without 6 months of experience? Does the gym require members to sign an attestation stating that they have 6 months of experience lifting weights before they're allowed to deadlift? Sounds like an arbitrary rule made up by the trainer. I'd ignore it unless there's something about it in the gym contract or rules.1
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Nope. As long as you're careful with form, you can head right into a 5x5 program. It does help to have someone check your form when starting out so you don't create bad habits. But, there is no reason to wait six months to be able to do it on your own. Heck, people here can check your form through video if you need it.
He's trying to scare you into six months of sessions.1 -
I call BS as well. He just wants to sell you training sessions. You can already deadlift! Run away or find another trainer, if you feel you need 1 or 2 sessions for pointers.0
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Yoh DO need need instruction on proper DL form.
You don't need 6 months of it.
Remember, with something like DL form is EVERYTHING, especially the heavier you go. Unfortionately, even experienced people make mistakes sometimes - I just did 1 rep with less than perfect form yesterday and I am now paying for it and probably have to take a few weeks off from DLing. Something I've done literally thousands of times, and yet I still screwed up.
Take your time, find someone who knows how to teach you proper - doesn't have to be a trainer, it could be the big guy in your gym you just watched DL 5 plates with impeccable form.2 -
walking2running wrote: »I went to a trial session with a personal training. I told him that my interest was in lifts. During my workout with the trainer, I was able to deadlift 100 lbs, which I think is "typical" for a beginner woman? But then he told me that I shouldn't attempt on my own, and that I need at least 6 months of training before I can deadlift in the gym. I don't want to continue with personal training sessions. I just can't justify the cost. I am intimidated by the gym as it is, but I really want to incorporate deadlifts and some sort of 5x5 training routine. There wasn't anything bad with my form, I think. So, is that it unless I get a personal trainer?
Great sales pitch. If you have the space to train at home go for it. You may spend a little more up front on equipment but in the long run you'll save money and time. Do yourself a favour and buy a 3/4" thick 4 x 6 rubber horse stall mat so you don't damage the floor dropping your weights (if you want to get really fancy you can make a homemade deadlift platform with 3 shhets of plywood and yor rubber mat.....there are instructional videos on YouTube)0 -
He is lying to your face. Period.
99% of trainer's in comercial gyms do not have a clue on how to train people. I've literally been to hundreds of gyms over decades of training and unfortunately it's the game.
Gyms encourage bad programming so people will buy more training.
Unfortunately every certification people can acquire doesn't make them a good trainer.
I trained at a comercial gym last year that the head trainer ran up to me explaining I was squatting wrong by leaning far to forward. I calmly pulled out my ear buds and told him it's called a low bar squat. He replied, "Low bar?".
"Yes, the style I used when I broke my own squat record in a USAPL meet a few weeks ago".
Find a novice program. I currently suggest either StartingStrength or Greyskull will be okay since they are the most simple and appropriate amount of stimulas for a novice and run it.11 -
He is lying to your face. Period.
99% of trainer's in comercial gyms do not have a clue on how to train people. I've literally been to hundreds of gyms over decades of training and unfortunately it's the game.
Gyms encourage bad programming so people will buy more training.
Unfortunately every certification people can acquire doesn't make them a good trainer.
I trained at a comercial gym last year that the head trainer ran up to me explaining I was squatting wrong by leaning far to forward. I calmly pulled out my ear buds and told him it's called a low bar squat. He replied, "Low bar?".
"Yes, the style I used when I broke my own squat record in a USAPL meet a few weeks ago".
Find a novice program. I currently suggest either StartingStrength or Greyskull will be okay since they are the most simple and appropriate amount of stimulas for a novice and run it.
Wow, had not heard of a low bar squat? Thank you for the laugh on an otherwise gloomy day.
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I did deadlift under the instructions of a trainer. A while later, I started just forgetting things about form. I could not feel anything was wrong but I did have people point out that I would hurt myself. I accepted the criticism but still could not correct it myself, without a trainer. I cannot say that you need X months, but for sure getting it right once or twice is not enough to actual have the correct form all the time. Form is not just knowing what to do in theory, or even doing it right a few times, but being in the habit of doing it right, which takes time.1
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Interesting!!!!0
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I’ll keep it short. Bs. I had never lifted a weight, joined a gym, told them I wanted to do all weights. Deadlifted on day 1 with some advice. Asked a few times for the staff on the gym floor to check my form here and there. Unless you’re doing something dangerous, and I suspect you did just fine, they’re talking crap. Look around. Find a better gym. There are good ones out there. If you’re starting out, don’t try to go heavy weight, take it easy, work on your form, do some research. Wonder if a guy would have had the same advice.............1
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Having a good trainer can be helpful, but you can learn something on your own if you film yourself, research, identify your problems and work out how to fix them. This guy isn't a good trainer0
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Horse *kitten*. Only lifts I consider to be ones that need a trainer are olympic lifts, just based on how technical they are.2
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Nonsense. I learnt how to lift at a lifting gym when I used to work next door to one. The lady I trained with was an Olympic lifter and she put me straight in the deep end. I didn't have to wait six months. Just get someone to check your form every now and then and you will be fine 0
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He must be an awful trainer if he can't get your deadlift form correct in under 6 months. I would be worried about his competency in teaching the deadlift in the first place. You might want to check his advice against other well known trainers who have deadlift tutorials.0
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I'd really recommend looking up Athlean X on YouTube. He's a physical therapist and pro athlete trainer that I've been following for the last year of my training. He's one of the most credible fitness guys on YouTube. He also has a deadlift check list video if you want to check it out for proper form.0
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Sounds like his way of getting you to pay for 6 months of training.1
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Would love to hear from the OP again.
What did you decide on?0 -
Would love to hear from the OP again.
What did you decide on?
I decided against the 6 months personal training, especially with any trainer from that gym. The personal trainer in question is the manager of personal training...
It took me a lot of courage to ask for a personal training session, and the goal was to walk me through the weights/ equipment section so that I can do some lifts on my own. It was more of a confidence boost than anything because I have watched a lot of videos and I do some lifts but with light weights in bodypump. Now I did go back and I attempted to do my own workout, and I did feel a little more at ease this time around. My problem is that I am so self-conscious and I want to know that I don't look ridiculous or breaking some rules that I'm not aware of.2 -
When I was at the gym on Saturday, there was:
- A guy going around loading up the bars on benches (incline/decline/flat) with tons of 5 and 10 pound weights, doing a couple of reps and leaving the weights on the bar.
- A guy doing endless curls in one of the two squat racks.
- A guy loading up tons of plates on a flat bench and doing 1 inch reps and still kinda looking like he was going to drop the bar on his neck.
- A guy doing dumbbell curls on the deadlift platform while someone waited to deadlift.
- A guy using iron hex plates to deadlift on the platform right under a big sign that said “rubber plates ONLY on the platform.”
If you use the equipment for what it’s meant for (and just ask if you’re not sure), follow posted directions, lift reasonable weights for your ability, and re-rack your weights when done with them, you’ll be ahead of the game. Also, you have just as much right to use the weights at your gym as any other member.4 -
the self conscious feeling will go away the more you go. I am super shy and awkward and I lifted weights at the gym. Just avoided eye contact with everyone there
Also when you look around at people you'll see people doing things "wrong" or with bad etiquette and that will also make you feel better lol 0 -
I taught myself to deadlift. Have four state records now.
Pay attention to form, watch lots of videos, take videos of yourself. If you want feedback on your form, people will be happy to help.1 -
I've never had a personal training session and I deadlift all the time. I must be doing it wrong, I need to go back and take 6 months of training sessions!
Yeah. Total BS.
And don't worry about doing something "wrong" at the gym. People do things that are bad ideas or against the rules all the time. People leave equipment lying around everywhere, that is for sure.
I used books (NROL series, original and newer books), youtube videos, and the stronglifts website/app to learn about form.
I started quite a bit lower on weight, I think I started at 65lbs and worked up from there. It did allow me to work on form more than starting at a higher weight. When I go up in weight and try to do too many reps, my form is the first thing to go. So personally, I found starting lower and working up beneficial to get my form down, to help with muscle memory and get used to the feel at an easier weight.0
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