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There is a big difference between a person without specific health conditions eating in a way to reduce visceral fat and OP's specific dietary needs prompted by her medical condition. There's a reason why doctors don't recommend a high fat diet for people in her condition, it seems blazingly irresponsible to suggest that she adopt a LCHF diet based on your impressions of what is possible and impossible.snickerscharlie wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Not sure if it would improve your food choices but I would think a Low Carb/ High Fat diet would also work. Vegetables are not required, all meats are okay. The downside is you will need to limit carbs to a minimal amount so you would likely need to part with breads, pasta, sweets and any other carb loaded stuff. I like veggies and eggs so I don't find it very limiting. There is also an optional way to reduce liver fat by fasting too.
My understanding is that a high fat diet is contraindicated for people with Nonalcoholic Fatty Liver Disease. Do you have sources recommending a LCHF diet for people with this condition? OP has been recommended a specific eating plan, one that is associated with improved outcomes for her condition. You're suggesting a diet that is very different than that. What is this recommendation based on?
https://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/010614p48.shtml
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4027841/
https://academic.oup.com/advances/article/8/2/253/4558055
This! ^^
OP: Please try to get your doctor to refer you to a registered dietician who may be able to help you find suitable substitutes for the diet your doctor has recommended you go on.
Sorry @janejellyroll I can't see your posts anymore until someone else quotes you.
LC/HF, KETO and IF are all used to reduce visceral fat. If would be impossible for that to happen if those ways of eating deposited fat in the liver.18 -
Another vote for getting an immediate referral to an RD. Doctors usually give a recommendation for a generic diet plan and a handout if you're lucky, but since you're particularly picky about your food choices an RD can help tailor a more specific plan to your individual needs.
A good RD may also have some recommendations about how to expand your food choices by suggesting ideas with different preparation methods or recipes that might be more appealing to you.
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Another vote for getting an immediate referral to an RD. Doctors usually give a recommendation for a generic diet plan and a handout if you're lucky, but since you're particularly picky about your food choices an RD can help tailor a more specific plan to your individual needs.
A good RD may also have some recommendations about how to expand your food choices by suggesting ideas with different preparation methods or recipes that might be more appealing to you.
Yeah I'm thinking in gonna look into it, that seems to be a common suggestion on this thread so far and I think it would definitely be helpful for me. Even before talking to my doctor I've always been a super picky water which definitely contributed to my weight gain and health issues2 -
OP, I have two ideas that might be worth trying, about all the foods that you DON'T like.
1. everything that you currently do NOT like to eat - make a conscious decision to try one bite of each of them every six to twelve months, just to see if it is a matter of becoming accustomed to an unfamiliar flavor. some stuff you may never ever develop a liking for, but you might be surprised at some of the results. (i'll probably never purchase eggplant for myself but I can tolerate it now and don't have to pick it out of a dish).
2. experiment with different cooking methods or sauces/herbs/spices = especially vegetables can be really unpleasant when overcooked. But veggies done right are some of the most satisfying foods on the planet (for me anyhow!).3 -
OP, I have two ideas that might be worth trying, about all the foods that you DON'T like.
1. everything that you currently do NOT like to eat - make a conscious decision to try one bite of each of them every six to twelve months, just to see if it is a matter of becoming accustomed to an unfamiliar flavor. some stuff you may never ever develop a liking for, but you might be surprised at some of the results. (i'll probably never purchase eggplant for myself but I can tolerate it now and don't have to pick it out of a dish).
2. experiment with different cooking methods or sauces/herbs/spices = especially vegetables can be really unpleasant when overcooked. But veggies done right are some of the most satisfying foods on the planet (for me anyhow!).
This is a great idea. I never really liked fresh veggies when they were boiled or steamed to death. When I started roasting them with olive oil it changed the taste completely. I probably have asparagus or brussel sprouts twice a week now and both were strictly prohibited in the past. It is also possible I grew up too along with my taste buds.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Not sure if it would improve your food choices but I would think a Low Carb/ High Fat diet would also work. Vegetables are not required, all meats are okay. The downside is you will need to limit carbs to a minimal amount so you would likely need to part with breads, pasta, sweets and any other carb loaded stuff. I like veggies and eggs so I don't find it very limiting. There is also an optional way to reduce liver fat by fasting too.
My understanding is that a high fat diet is contraindicated for people with Nonalcoholic Fatty Liver Disease. Do you have sources recommending a LCHF diet for people with this condition? OP has been recommended a specific eating plan, one that is associated with improved outcomes for her condition. You're suggesting a diet that is very different than that. What is this recommendation based on?
https://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/010614p48.shtml
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4027841/
https://academic.oup.com/advances/article/8/2/253/4558055
This! ^^
OP: Please try to get your doctor to refer you to a registered dietician who may be able to help you find suitable substitutes for the diet your doctor has recommended you go on.
LC/HF, KETO and IF are all used to reduce visceral fat. If would be impossible for that to happen if those ways of eating deposited fat in the liver.
There is a big difference between a person without specific health conditions eating in a way to reduce visceral fat and OP's specific dietary needs prompted by her medical condition. There's a reason why doctors don't recommend a high fat diet for people in her condition, it seems blazingly irresponsible to suggest that she adopt a LCHF diet based on your impressions of what is possible and impossible.
QFT. It's *very* important that the OP gets qualified dietary help with her condition.8 -
I had a friend who used Keto to treat NALFD, maybe check out the keto food list and if that fits you better then talk it over with your doctor?11
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Its_Haleeyyy wrote: »Another vote for getting an immediate referral to an RD. Doctors usually give a recommendation for a generic diet plan and a handout if you're lucky, but since you're particularly picky about your food choices an RD can help tailor a more specific plan to your individual needs.
A good RD may also have some recommendations about how to expand your food choices by suggesting ideas with different preparation methods or recipes that might be more appealing to you.
Yeah I'm thinking in gonna look into it, that seems to be a common suggestion on this thread so far and I think it would definitely be helpful for me. Even before talking to my doctor I've always been a super picky water which definitely contributed to my weight gain and health issues
Seems like a good plan. Good luck!1 -
Its_Haleeyyy wrote: »Another vote for getting an immediate referral to an RD. Doctors usually give a recommendation for a generic diet plan and a handout if you're lucky, but since you're particularly picky about your food choices an RD can help tailor a more specific plan to your individual needs.
A good RD may also have some recommendations about how to expand your food choices by suggesting ideas with different preparation methods or recipes that might be more appealing to you.
Yeah I'm thinking in gonna look into it, that seems to be a common suggestion on this thread so far and I think it would definitely be helpful for me. Even before talking to my doctor I've always been a super picky water which definitely contributed to my weight gain and health issues
Definitely would take that suggestion. Still, you will more than likely need to find ways to incorporate vegetables into your diet. With that I could still possibly help. Find a dish that you like and hide veggies in it. You'd be surprised how good some of it would be.1 -
Not sure if it would improve your food choices but I would think a Low Carb/ High Fat diet would also work. Vegetables are not required, all meats are okay. The downside is you will need to limit carbs to a minimal amount so you would likely need to part with breads, pasta, sweets and any other carb loaded stuff. I like veggies and eggs so I don't find it very limiting. There is also an optional way to reduce liver fat by fasting too.
someone who has NAFLD and any other liver issues are usually told to avoid high fat diets. I have a liver issue due to a genetic defect and carbs for me are fine its the high amounts of fat that are NOT(same with cholesterol as my liver produces too much due to that genetic defect). my liver cannot process fats and cholesterol like most people can process it. for those with NAFLD and other liver issues a low fat diet is recommended. weight loss can also help with NAFLD5 -
LivingtheLeanDream wrote: »Fats and sugars are what you mostly need to cut down - they affect the liver. So its all about finding foods you like which are better for you and thats probably why your dr suggested the Mediterranean diet. The thing is a fatty liver can be cured by eating right so perhaps its now time to think of your health and keep trying different foods knowing they will benefit you. Our tastebuds can adapt and learn to enjoy a host of different foods.
IR and NAFLD go hand in hand. Cutting back on carbs in general, especially those that are refined or sugary, will tend to help independent of weight loss. Sugars and fats together tend to be a metabolic mess for most people.13 -
I find it so strange that one could dislike all vegetables. Please don't get me wrong, OP - I totally believe you. But for me there are so many totally different tastes in that food group (leafy greens, crucifers, marrows, roots, fungi, not to mention the „fruit vegetables” like avocados and tomatoes)... multiplied by a million different ways to combine and cook them! Endless possibilities to ultimately identify *something* that you feel okay with eating.
I love them, but I very rarely eat them boiled or steamed because it feels like doing a disservice to perfectly good and tasty food. Roasted, raw, sauteed, grilled - these are my personal options.
If ultimately you decide to try incorporating these nutrient-packed options into a healthy lifestyle, nobody says you will have to start eating salads by the bucket. You could... „insinuate” them into the diet by gradually replacing some of the ingredients in the foods you like. Feel like pizza? Why not try cauliflower crust! It tastes REALLY good. How about pasta? There are so many mouth-watering recipes for zucchini pasta! And so on!
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modusoperandi1412 wrote: »LivingtheLeanDream wrote: »Fats and sugars are what you mostly need to cut down - they affect the liver. So its all about finding foods you like which are better for you and thats probably why your dr suggested the Mediterranean diet. The thing is a fatty liver can be cured by eating right so perhaps its now time to think of your health and keep trying different foods knowing they will benefit you. Our tastebuds can adapt and learn to enjoy a host of different foods.
IR and NAFLD go hand in hand. Cutting back on carbs in general, especially those that are refined or sugary, will tend to help independent of weight loss. Sugars and fats together tend to be a metabolic mess for most people.
I find it kinda funny you say that literally one post below someone who HAS a liver issue who says the exact opposite.
Not all doctors say the same thing. Not all doctors are current on reasearch or accept that research as true. That fat worsens NAFLD does not line up with current thinking.
i've had doctors who gave me less than ideal advice on diet. My endocrinologist was one. Another doctor told me that now that my celiac tests are negative (which happens when a celiac is not exposed to gluten anymore) that I could now eat gluten.
I would advise people to look into all avenues because doctors make mistakes, and what works for one patient may not work for another.
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Its_Haleeyyy wrote: »Another vote for getting an immediate referral to an RD. Doctors usually give a recommendation for a generic diet plan and a handout if you're lucky, but since you're particularly picky about your food choices an RD can help tailor a more specific plan to your individual needs.
A good RD may also have some recommendations about how to expand your food choices by suggesting ideas with different preparation methods or recipes that might be more appealing to you.
Yeah I'm thinking in gonna look into it, that seems to be a common suggestion on this thread so far and I think it would definitely be helpful for me. Even before talking to my doctor I've always been a super picky water which definitely contributed to my weight gain and health issues
Check with your insurance and your doctor first. If you are in the US, many insurance plans will pay for a certain number of RD consultations when there is an official diagnosis of something that can be managed with diet (obesity, diabetes, NAFLD, etc.) Usually they require a referral from your PCP or the specialist you saw.
Make sure you see an actual Registered Dietician or Registered Dietician Nutritionist (the nomenclature is changing and you will see both used). Someone who just calls themselves a "Nutritionist" does not have the training.3 -
neugebauer52 wrote: »This is not about a "diet" but the Mediterranean lifestyle which includes home grown fruits and vegetables or at least locally produced items. Olive oil, olives, lots of fish and shell fish, but generally low(ish) on carbs, meat and diary products.
Many people can't access locally produced items. They might be a bit better, but eating fruits, veggies, etc from any source will get most of benefits.4 -
Packerjohn wrote: »neugebauer52 wrote: »This is not about a "diet" but the Mediterranean lifestyle which includes home grown fruits and vegetables or at least locally produced items. Olive oil, olives, lots of fish and shell fish, but generally low(ish) on carbs, meat and diary products.
Many people can't access locally produced items. They might be a bit better, but eating fruits, veggies, etc from any source will get most of benefits.
There's also the problem of seasons. I know what's for sale at the farmers market right now, and it's limited.
(But clearly the Med lifestyle was not what her doctor was focusing on.)0 -
Its_Haleeyyy wrote: »I recently had an ultrasound done and was diagnosed with fatty liver. My doctor wants me to go on a Mediterranean diet and come back for a check up in 3 months. I'm super picky and literally do not like anything in the diet except for fruit and nuts .
Has anyone else encountered this problem? If so, how did you make it work?
I'd really like to try and reverse this issue but I'm really struggling
Might not like this answer but a bit of tough love. You might need to learn to not be super picky and eat like an adult. What's more important, your health or a distaste for certain items that you can learn to at least tolerate?
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You repeatedly make the same baseless claims and never ever provide evidence to back it up. So please stop saying it because it just isn't true. Based on all available evidence to date, lifestyle modifications including weight loss is standard treatment for NAFLD.LivingtheLeanDream wrote: »Fats and sugars are what you mostly need to cut down - they affect the liver. So its all about finding foods you like which are better for you and thats probably why your dr suggested the Mediterranean diet. The thing is a fatty liver can be cured by eating right so perhaps its now time to think of your health and keep trying different foods knowing they will benefit you. Our tastebuds can adapt and learn to enjoy a host of different foods.
Cutting back on carbs in general, especially those that are refined or sugary, will tend to help independent of weight loss.
Evidence for this is what? And what exactly is a "metabolic mess"?Sugars and fats together tend to be a metabolic mess for most people.
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Regarding vegetables:
- I told my cousin that I loved lima beans, so she made me some. They were awful (she cooked them to mush). Definitely experiment with different ways to cook vegetables. I personally enjoy the convenience of Birds Eye SteamFresh veggies and eat a half a bag at a time.
- Experiment with different spices and fats on your vegetables. I prefer olive oil on my green beans but butter on my peas. Steamed broccoli is awesome to me with garlic salt and butter. (Just be careful with the fats given your diagnosis.)
- Keep experimenting and trying; your tastes will change. I had friends keep telling me that my tastes would change, but I didn't believe them until I had to change my diet (also for health reasons) and after a while, I would actually crave some vegetables.
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