Celery Juice
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I do like the taste--very refreshing, but may not be for everyone. I find it takes around a medium-sized stalk to get that much juice. Cheaper than Starbucks...but yes, cleaning that juicer daily is not fun!
I have a simple solution to that. Eat some celery instead. The added fibre would be of more benefit to the average person than the juice alone.
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Drink water.....4
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »If you like the taste and don't mind the clean up, then I doubt there's any harm.
He has many people speaking against him as well as the positive testimonials. Personally, I wouldn't trust anything from him because he claims to get his expertise from "beyond" and has no actual training. I have skimmed through some of the write ups debunking his extraordinary and unsubstantiated claims, and really don't find him to be a trustworthy source. Others have already talked about the alkalinity concept, and some have mentioned the liver's function is to filter the blood and that if your liver is overloaded, you need a doctor.
I'm glad you haven't wasted any money on his books. Apparently, if you're lucky enough to get a phone consultation with him, it only costs $500/30 minutes for vague responses that are primarily around changing foods and taking supplements.
I don't know whether there's any harm or not, but considering that a full bunch of celery daily seems well out of the norm of what is typically consumed by human beings, and considering that the concentration of sodium nitrate in celery is high enough that they use it to replace "added" sodium nitrate in "uncured" "nitrate-free" bacon, and considering that the IARC has classified nitrates and nitrites (also found in high levels in celery) as probably carcinogenic to humans (and of course there can be toxic effects at sufficiently high doses), I think it would be advisable to research nitrate (and nitrite) levels in that amount of celery and compare it to the WHO's acceptable daily intake or similar measures before conducting what amounts to a Phase I drug test (for determining safe dosage limits) on yourself.
See however, Lieberman and Kwon, "FACTS VERSUS FEARS: A REVIEW OF THE GREATEST UNFOUNDED HEALTH SCARES OF RECENT TIMES", published by The AMERICAN COUNCIL ON SCIENCE AND HEALTH (September 2004), p. 17. (https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/Facts-Versus-Fears-Unfounded-Health-Scares 4th edition.pdf)
'The American Cancer Society states, “Nitrites in foods
are not a significant cause of cancer among
Americans.” The Council for Agricultural Science
and Technology agreed, in their recent review of the
issue, that “the scientific evidence does not support
restrictions in the consumption of salted, smoked, or
nitrite-preserved foods by the U.S. population."'
Consuming an entire bunch of celery, the food with seemingly t1he highest level of nitrates among commonly eaten foods, every single day, is also not a significant practice among Americans. Given that both cancer and toxicity risks go up with dosage, I don't understand why you would be so quick to undermine a suggestion for the OP to do a little research about what dosage they would be exposing themselves to, and how that compares to the ADI.
Well to determine "toxicity risks go up with dosage" we would first need to know if you are describing a metric "bunch" or an Imperial "bunch" of celery...7 -
Worrying about getting cancer due to nitrites from celery is about as productive as worrying about being hit by a loose screw falling from the ISS.
First, there is ample evidence for the protective benefits of vegetables, even those that are high in nitrates (a portion of which converts to nitrites in the body). In fact, an average person gets the majority of nitrates from vegetables already, not processed meat.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2157027
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19439460
The body also produces a significant amount of nitrates naturally through the saliva.
More recent research indicates that cooking cured meats with high heat converts the nitrites into nitrosamines which are highly carcinogenic (but again the converted amounts are small and the correlation to a person's susceptibility is pretty weak).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6831466
So, unless the OP is wrapping her celery in bacon and deep frying it, I doubt she has much to worry about. Aside from having to clean that juicer.
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If you are interested in adding a supplement to a breakfast drink or smoothie, highly recommend Amazing Grass. It has a LOT of dehydrated fruits and vegetables, including celery, in it and I have found that it gives me a lot of energy. There is something in it that my body needs though no idea what it is. I can’t imagine drinking celery juice every morning because someone on the internet said it was good for you. Obviously, fruits and vegetables have health benefits but no need to limit to one. Would probably be better off just eating a stick of celery as that would be easier to stick to.12
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Worrying about getting cancer due to nitrites from celery is about as productive as worrying about being hit by a loose screw falling from the ISS.
First, there is ample evidence for the protective benefits of vegetables, even those that are high in nitrates (a portion of which converts to nitrites in the body). In fact, an average person gets the majority of nitrates from vegetables already, not processed meat.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2157027
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19439460
Indeed they do -- a very large majority. So increasing by an order of magnitude the amount of a high-nitrate vegetable over what people normally eat would mean that OP would be getting roughly 10X the amount of nitrates that the average person gets. And the average amount that a person gets from vegetables is about half the ADI.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4897442/
Seems like something worth thinking about before doing something that I think we all agree has no special benefits. You don't get extra points for eating ridiculously large amounts of a single vegetable.
Do you not see that research based on average amounts of vegetables consumed is no evidence of the safety of extreme consumption of a single vegetable on an ongoing basis?The body also produces a significant amount of nitrates naturally through the saliva.
More recent research indicates that cooking cured meats with high heat converts the nitrites into nitrosamines which are highly carcinogenic (but again the converted amounts are small and the correlation to a person's susceptibility is pretty weak).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6831466
So, unless the OP is wrapping her celery in bacon and deep frying it, I doubt she has much to worry about. Aside from having to clean that juicer.
So I'll put you down as opposed to giving any thought or doing any research into the ramifications of eating about 10X the average serving of a given food on a daily basis indefinitely. Because if average amounts are OK, 10X that amount must be OK. If three-quarters of a liter of water during and immediately after my workout is good, having 7.5 liters of water in the same time period must be fine too.
I'm not saying her juicing plan is necessarily harmful. I'm saying that assuring the OP that doing something this excessive will be fine, rather than pointing out potential downsides, is not a good thing.4 -
If you are interested in adding a supplement to a breakfast drink or smoothie, highly recommend Amazing Grass. It has a LOT of dehydrated fruits and vegetables, including celery, in it and I have found that it gives me a lot of energy. There is something in it that my body needs though no idea what it is. I can’t imagine drinking celery juice every morning because someone on the internet said it was good for you. Obviously, fruits and vegetables have health benefits but no need to limit to one. Would probably be better off just eating a stick of celery as that would be easier to stick to.
Agreed. I for one would definitely prefer to take "Amazing Grass" every morning because someone on the internet said it was good for you rather than drink celery juice every morning because someone on the internet said it was good for you.
I mean, who even knows what God put in celery to begin with; ammi right?
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »If you like the taste and don't mind the clean up, then I doubt there's any harm.
He has many people speaking against him as well as the positive testimonials. Personally, I wouldn't trust anything from him because he claims to get his expertise from "beyond" and has no actual training. I have skimmed through some of the write ups debunking his extraordinary and unsubstantiated claims, and really don't find him to be a trustworthy source. Others have already talked about the alkalinity concept, and some have mentioned the liver's function is to filter the blood and that if your liver is overloaded, you need a doctor.
I'm glad you haven't wasted any money on his books. Apparently, if you're lucky enough to get a phone consultation with him, it only costs $500/30 minutes for vague responses that are primarily around changing foods and taking supplements.
I don't know whether there's any harm or not, but considering that a full bunch of celery daily seems well out of the norm of what is typically consumed by human beings, and considering that the concentration of sodium nitrate in celery is high enough that they use it to replace "added" sodium nitrate in "uncured" "nitrate-free" bacon, and considering that the IARC has classified nitrates and nitrites (also found in high levels in celery) as probably carcinogenic to humans (and of course there can be toxic effects at sufficiently high doses), I think it would be advisable to research nitrate (and nitrite) levels in that amount of celery and compare it to the WHO's acceptable daily intake or similar measures before conducting what amounts to a Phase I drug test (for determining safe dosage limits) on yourself.
That's a rather dramatic conclusion to celery juice.3 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Worrying about getting cancer due to nitrites from celery is about as productive as worrying about being hit by a loose screw falling from the ISS.
First, there is ample evidence for the protective benefits of vegetables, even those that are high in nitrates (a portion of which converts to nitrites in the body). In fact, an average person gets the majority of nitrates from vegetables already, not processed meat.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2157027
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19439460
Indeed they do -- a very large majority. So increasing by an order of magnitude the amount of a high-nitrate vegetable over what people normally eat would mean that OP would be getting roughly 10X the amount of nitrates that the average person gets. And the average amount that a person gets from vegetables is about half the ADI.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4897442/
Seems like something worth thinking about before doing something that I think we all agree has no special benefits. You don't get extra points for eating ridiculously large amounts of a single vegetable.
Do you not see that research based on average amounts of vegetables consumed is no evidence of the safety of extreme consumption of a single vegetable on an ongoing basis?The body also produces a significant amount of nitrates naturally through the saliva.
More recent research indicates that cooking cured meats with high heat converts the nitrites into nitrosamines which are highly carcinogenic (but again the converted amounts are small and the correlation to a person's susceptibility is pretty weak).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6831466
So, unless the OP is wrapping her celery in bacon and deep frying it, I doubt she has much to worry about. Aside from having to clean that juicer.
So I'll put you down as opposed to giving any thought or doing any research into the ramifications of eating about 10X the average serving of a given food on a daily basis indefinitely. Because if average amounts are OK, 10X that amount must be OK. If three-quarters of a liter of water during and immediately after my workout is good, having 7.5 liters of water in the same time period must be fine too.
I'm not saying her juicing plan is necessarily harmful. I'm saying that assuring the OP that doing something this excessive will be fine, rather than pointing out potential downsides, is not a good thing.
I'll thank you to not put words in my mouth. It's rude.
My point, which you breezily ignored, was that the science indicates that the risks from nitrates in celery or other vegetables are vanishingly small, and that the science is leaning toward a more complex understanding of what really increases such risks. People are bad enough about assessing risks as it is, and fearmongering about minuscule factors that may not be proven is counter productive. I did not any endorse of this woo-peddler's cleanse, however. There are many other reasons to give his advice a wide wide berth, without unnecessary fearmongering involved.11 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »If you like the taste and don't mind the clean up, then I doubt there's any harm.
He has many people speaking against him as well as the positive testimonials. Personally, I wouldn't trust anything from him because he claims to get his expertise from "beyond" and has no actual training. I have skimmed through some of the write ups debunking his extraordinary and unsubstantiated claims, and really don't find him to be a trustworthy source. Others have already talked about the alkalinity concept, and some have mentioned the liver's function is to filter the blood and that if your liver is overloaded, you need a doctor.
I'm glad you haven't wasted any money on his books. Apparently, if you're lucky enough to get a phone consultation with him, it only costs $500/30 minutes for vague responses that are primarily around changing foods and taking supplements.
I don't know whether there's any harm or not, but considering that a full bunch of celery daily seems well out of the norm of what is typically consumed by human beings, and considering that the concentration of sodium nitrate in celery is high enough that they use it to replace "added" sodium nitrate in "uncured" "nitrate-free" bacon, and considering that the IARC has classified nitrates and nitrites (also found in high levels in celery) as probably carcinogenic to humans (and of course there can be toxic effects at sufficiently high doses), I think it would be advisable to research nitrate (and nitrite) levels in that amount of celery and compare it to the WHO's acceptable daily intake or similar measures before conducting what amounts to a Phase I drug test (for determining safe dosage limits) on yourself.
That's a rather dramatic conclusion to celery juice.
There's a toxic dosage for pretty much everything. And OP is proposing to consume an entire bunch of celery every day.4 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Worrying about getting cancer due to nitrites from celery is about as productive as worrying about being hit by a loose screw falling from the ISS.
First, there is ample evidence for the protective benefits of vegetables, even those that are high in nitrates (a portion of which converts to nitrites in the body). In fact, an average person gets the majority of nitrates from vegetables already, not processed meat.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2157027
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19439460
Indeed they do -- a very large majority. So increasing by an order of magnitude the amount of a high-nitrate vegetable over what people normally eat would mean that OP would be getting roughly 10X the amount of nitrates that the average person gets. And the average amount that a person gets from vegetables is about half the ADI.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4897442/
Seems like something worth thinking about before doing something that I think we all agree has no special benefits. You don't get extra points for eating ridiculously large amounts of a single vegetable.
Do you not see that research based on average amounts of vegetables consumed is no evidence of the safety of extreme consumption of a single vegetable on an ongoing basis?The body also produces a significant amount of nitrates naturally through the saliva.
More recent research indicates that cooking cured meats with high heat converts the nitrites into nitrosamines which are highly carcinogenic (but again the converted amounts are small and the correlation to a person's susceptibility is pretty weak).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6831466
So, unless the OP is wrapping her celery in bacon and deep frying it, I doubt she has much to worry about. Aside from having to clean that juicer.
So I'll put you down as opposed to giving any thought or doing any research into the ramifications of eating about 10X the average serving of a given food on a daily basis indefinitely. Because if average amounts are OK, 10X that amount must be OK. If three-quarters of a liter of water during and immediately after my workout is good, having 7.5 liters of water in the same time period must be fine too.
I'm not saying her juicing plan is necessarily harmful. I'm saying that assuring the OP that doing something this excessive will be fine, rather than pointing out potential downsides, is not a good thing.
I'll thank you to not put words in my mouth. It's rude.
My point, which you breezily ignored, was that the science indicates that the risks from nitrates in celery or other vegetables are vanishingly small, and that the science is leaning toward a more complex understanding of what really increases such risks. People are bad enough about assessing risks as it is, and fearmongering about minuscule factors that may not be proven is counter productive. I did not any endorse of this woo-peddler's cleanse, however. There are many other reasons to give his advice a wide wide berth, without unnecessary fearmongering involved.
Suggesting that someone research whether consuming an extraordinarily large amount of a single food on a daily basis is bumping up against an established ADI is not fearmongering. Dismissing thinking about that possibility as fearmongering is projecting your objections to people who fearmonger on to someone who is not.5 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Worrying about getting cancer due to nitrites from celery is about as productive as worrying about being hit by a loose screw falling from the ISS.
First, there is ample evidence for the protective benefits of vegetables, even those that are high in nitrates (a portion of which converts to nitrites in the body). In fact, an average person gets the majority of nitrates from vegetables already, not processed meat.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2157027
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19439460
Indeed they do -- a very large majority. So increasing by an order of magnitude the amount of a high-nitrate vegetable over what people normally eat would mean that OP would be getting roughly 10X the amount of nitrates that the average person gets. And the average amount that a person gets from vegetables is about half the ADI.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4897442/
Seems like something worth thinking about before doing something that I think we all agree has no special benefits. You don't get extra points for eating ridiculously large amounts of a single vegetable.
Do you not see that research based on average amounts of vegetables consumed is no evidence of the safety of extreme consumption of a single vegetable on an ongoing basis?The body also produces a significant amount of nitrates naturally through the saliva.
More recent research indicates that cooking cured meats with high heat converts the nitrites into nitrosamines which are highly carcinogenic (but again the converted amounts are small and the correlation to a person's susceptibility is pretty weak).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6831466
So, unless the OP is wrapping her celery in bacon and deep frying it, I doubt she has much to worry about. Aside from having to clean that juicer.
So I'll put you down as opposed to giving any thought or doing any research into the ramifications of eating about 10X the average serving of a given food on a daily basis indefinitely. Because if average amounts are OK, 10X that amount must be OK. If three-quarters of a liter of water during and immediately after my workout is good, having 7.5 liters of water in the same time period must be fine too.
I'm not saying her juicing plan is necessarily harmful. I'm saying that assuring the OP that doing something this excessive will be fine, rather than pointing out potential downsides, is not a good thing.
I'll thank you to not put words in my mouth. It's rude.
My point, which you breezily ignored, was that the science indicates that the risks from nitrates in celery or other vegetables are vanishingly small, and that the science is leaning toward a more complex understanding of what really increases such risks. People are bad enough about assessing risks as it is, and fearmongering about minuscule factors that may not be proven is counter productive. I did not any endorse of this woo-peddler's cleanse, however. There are many other reasons to give his advice a wide wide berth, without unnecessary fearmongering involved.
Suggesting that someone research whether consuming an extraordinarily large amount of a single food on a daily basis is bumping up against an established ADI is not fearmongering. Dismissing thinking about that possibility as fearmongering is projecting your objections to people who fearmonger on to someone who is not.
We're talking celery water, here. And, according to the OP, not an "extraordinarily large amount," either:I do like the taste--very refreshing, but may not be for everyone. I find it takes around a medium-sized stalk to get that much juice. Cheaper than Starbucks...but yes, cleaning that juicer daily is not fun!
And it's fine for you to assert that you're not fearmongering, just as it's fine for others to feel that you are.
Life goes on, regardless.8 -
I never understand why people want to take useful things (like fiber) out of a food, at significant effort, because they think it's "healthier".
What are the odds that evolution designed us to best thrive by running perfectly good whole foods through a juicer, or extracting stuff from it and making it into a powder or pill? Very low, I would think.
Even if it won't hurt a person, why go through the trouble and expense of juicing celery?
OP, drink some water first thing in the morning, eat your celery stalk, save time, get the same benefits. If you really love the juice, a reasonable amount probably won't hurt you, but there's absolutely no magic in it.6 -
So we are talking about a less than 3 cups of celery juice here, mostly water as noted. Interesting discussion and I appreciate all the research. Wonder if I should switch to a big swig each morning? It is more convenient. Seriously, I'm kidding! I drink half my weight (in ounces--not pounds!) of water everyday. (No, not enough to cause hyponatremia so let's not go there.) Absolutely no soda, diet or regular. I am more afraid of the sugar and artificial ingredients in soft drinks than blends of vegetables. Again, just asked a question. Not looking for an intervention. Thanks all! 2
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So we are talking about a less than 3 cups of celery juice here, mostly water as noted. Interesting discussion and I appreciate all the research. Wonder if I should switch to a big swig each morning? It is more convenient. Seriously, I'm kidding! I drink half my weight (in ounces--not pounds!) of water everyday. (No, not enough to cause hyponatremia so let's not go there.) Absolutely no soda, diet or regular. I am more afraid of the sugar and artificial ingredients in soft drinks than blends of vegetables. Again, just asked a question. Not looking for an intervention. Thanks all!
Why be afraid of any of it?3 -
meh... I'd be more worried about contamination from nearby cattle farm runoff than nitrates.3
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So we are talking about a less than 3 cups of celery juice here, mostly water as noted. Interesting discussion and I appreciate all the research. Wonder if I should switch to a big swig each morning? It is more convenient. Seriously, I'm kidding! I drink half my weight (in ounces--not pounds!) of water everyday. (No, not enough to cause hyponatremia so let's not go there.) Absolutely no soda, diet or regular. I am more afraid of the sugar and artificial ingredients in soft drinks than blends of vegetables. Again, just asked a question. Not looking for an intervention. Thanks all!
There's no set amount of water (half your weight, etc.) to drink. I drink to satisfy thirst and maintain adequate hydration as judged by the color of my pee. I'd much rather drink a soda (regular or diet) than a glass of celery juice any day.
My best advice is to research and thoroughly vet any FB or IG diet advice with actual scientific sources before implementing it.6 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Worrying about getting cancer due to nitrites from celery is about as productive as worrying about being hit by a loose screw falling from the ISS.
First, there is ample evidence for the protective benefits of vegetables, even those that are high in nitrates (a portion of which converts to nitrites in the body). In fact, an average person gets the majority of nitrates from vegetables already, not processed meat.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2157027
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19439460
Indeed they do -- a very large majority. So increasing by an order of magnitude the amount of a high-nitrate vegetable over what people normally eat would mean that OP would be getting roughly 10X the amount of nitrates that the average person gets. And the average amount that a person gets from vegetables is about half the ADI.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4897442/
Seems like something worth thinking about before doing something that I think we all agree has no special benefits. You don't get extra points for eating ridiculously large amounts of a single vegetable.
Do you not see that research based on average amounts of vegetables consumed is no evidence of the safety of extreme consumption of a single vegetable on an ongoing basis?The body also produces a significant amount of nitrates naturally through the saliva.
More recent research indicates that cooking cured meats with high heat converts the nitrites into nitrosamines which are highly carcinogenic (but again the converted amounts are small and the correlation to a person's susceptibility is pretty weak).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6831466
So, unless the OP is wrapping her celery in bacon and deep frying it, I doubt she has much to worry about. Aside from having to clean that juicer.
So I'll put you down as opposed to giving any thought or doing any research into the ramifications of eating about 10X the average serving of a given food on a daily basis indefinitely. Because if average amounts are OK, 10X that amount must be OK. If three-quarters of a liter of water during and immediately after my workout is good, having 7.5 liters of water in the same time period must be fine too.
I'm not saying her juicing plan is necessarily harmful. I'm saying that assuring the OP that doing something this excessive will be fine, rather than pointing out potential downsides, is not a good thing.
I'll thank you to not put words in my mouth. It's rude.
My point, which you breezily ignored, was that the science indicates that the risks from nitrates in celery or other vegetables are vanishingly small, and that the science is leaning toward a more complex understanding of what really increases such risks. People are bad enough about assessing risks as it is, and fearmongering about minuscule factors that may not be proven is counter productive. I did not any endorse of this woo-peddler's cleanse, however. There are many other reasons to give his advice a wide wide berth, without unnecessary fearmongering involved.
Suggesting that someone research whether consuming an extraordinarily large amount of a single food on a daily basis is bumping up against an established ADI is not fearmongering. Dismissing thinking about that possibility as fearmongering is projecting your objections to people who fearmonger on to someone who is not.
We're talking celery water, here. And, according to the OP, not an "extraordinarily large amount," either:I do like the taste--very refreshing, but may not be for everyone. I find it takes around a medium-sized stalk to get that much juice. Cheaper than Starbucks...but yes, cleaning that juicer daily is not fun!
And it's fine for you to assert that you're not fearmongering, just as it's fine for others to feel that you are.
Life goes on, regardless.
Accusing someone of fearmongering rather than addressing the points they made (rather than the points you want to pretend they made) is essentially an ad hominem attack.
One medium stalk of celery will not make 16 to 24 oz of celery juice. It won't make 16 to 24 oz of pulp. Posters who looked up the site where the OP got this from found that it called for an entire bunch of celery every day.2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Worrying about getting cancer due to nitrites from celery is about as productive as worrying about being hit by a loose screw falling from the ISS.
First, there is ample evidence for the protective benefits of vegetables, even those that are high in nitrates (a portion of which converts to nitrites in the body). In fact, an average person gets the majority of nitrates from vegetables already, not processed meat.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2157027
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19439460
Indeed they do -- a very large majority. So increasing by an order of magnitude the amount of a high-nitrate vegetable over what people normally eat would mean that OP would be getting roughly 10X the amount of nitrates that the average person gets. And the average amount that a person gets from vegetables is about half the ADI.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4897442/
Seems like something worth thinking about before doing something that I think we all agree has no special benefits. You don't get extra points for eating ridiculously large amounts of a single vegetable.
Do you not see that research based on average amounts of vegetables consumed is no evidence of the safety of extreme consumption of a single vegetable on an ongoing basis?The body also produces a significant amount of nitrates naturally through the saliva.
More recent research indicates that cooking cured meats with high heat converts the nitrites into nitrosamines which are highly carcinogenic (but again the converted amounts are small and the correlation to a person's susceptibility is pretty weak).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6831466
So, unless the OP is wrapping her celery in bacon and deep frying it, I doubt she has much to worry about. Aside from having to clean that juicer.
So I'll put you down as opposed to giving any thought or doing any research into the ramifications of eating about 10X the average serving of a given food on a daily basis indefinitely. Because if average amounts are OK, 10X that amount must be OK. If three-quarters of a liter of water during and immediately after my workout is good, having 7.5 liters of water in the same time period must be fine too.
I'm not saying her juicing plan is necessarily harmful. I'm saying that assuring the OP that doing something this excessive will be fine, rather than pointing out potential downsides, is not a good thing.
I'll thank you to not put words in my mouth. It's rude.
My point, which you breezily ignored, was that the science indicates that the risks from nitrates in celery or other vegetables are vanishingly small, and that the science is leaning toward a more complex understanding of what really increases such risks. People are bad enough about assessing risks as it is, and fearmongering about minuscule factors that may not be proven is counter productive. I did not any endorse of this woo-peddler's cleanse, however. There are many other reasons to give his advice a wide wide berth, without unnecessary fearmongering involved.
Suggesting that someone research whether consuming an extraordinarily large amount of a single food on a daily basis is bumping up against an established ADI is not fearmongering. Dismissing thinking about that possibility as fearmongering is projecting your objections to people who fearmonger on to someone who is not.
We're talking celery water, here. And, according to the OP, not an "extraordinarily large amount," either:I do like the taste--very refreshing, but may not be for everyone. I find it takes around a medium-sized stalk to get that much juice. Cheaper than Starbucks...but yes, cleaning that juicer daily is not fun!
And it's fine for you to assert that you're not fearmongering, just as it's fine for others to feel that you are.
Life goes on, regardless.
Accusing someone of fearmongering rather than addressing the points they made (rather than the points you want to pretend they made) is essentially an ad hominem attack.
One medium stalk of celery will not make 16 to 24 oz of celery juice. It won't make 16 to 24 oz of pulp. Posters who looked up the site where the OP got this from found that it called for an entire bunch of celery every day.
Why do you assume 1 bunch of celery a day to be a toxic amount?6 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »Worst job in the world? Processing the returns on those jade eggs...
:sick: :laugh:
Late night LOL re those jade eggs. ☺️
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psychod787 wrote: »Drink water.....
Yes agreed
Celery is nasty. Cant imagine what it tastes like as a juice1
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