300km cycling in a day
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Ok, today I wanted to see what's possible: 104km in 5 hours. Yes, leisurely cycling. But I didn't try to go fast as I'd not cycled in nearly 5 years; and got lost quite a few times. And then my phone refused to charge on the last 30km and needed some convincing regularly to get me home, and switched itself off on the last 10 (how to I get home now!!!
) so I had to slow down a bit more than I'd liked. This was easy. My legs didn't hurt at all, neither did my back or arms. I found a few things I'd improve on my bike (the saddle points slightly downwards at the front and I might look into grips for the end of my bar) but otherwise no pain, no problems at all. The biggest problem were alternating frozen fingers and toes for the whole tour but that always happens in winter. I still feel good now and not tired at all.
So whatever you say: I'll just see how it goes. If it doesn't go at all and I have to give up at 50km then so be it. It's not a race, remember? Also, I can always get to a train station and get home. For me, this is just a way of seeing what's possible with this old body of mine. And have a bit of fun.1 -
Based on the info you provided you averages 13mph/20.8kph - maintaining that for a 300km ride would mean it would take you just shy of 14.5hrs to finish
Please let that sink in...that means you would finish likely after the sun goes down and that assumes you maintain a consistent pace with no breaks1 -
Deannalfisher, I can calculalte. Let me ask you something: have you ever done anything that has less that 95% of success or is your life completely safe and planned? I constantly do crazy things. Sometimes it works out, more often it doesn't. I still enjoy doing them, simply because I can and because I learn something about myself along the way. A colleague of mine does a different kind of crazy: bungee jumping, standing 3 minutes in -30 degrees, jumping into the sea in winter, etc.. He does it for the same reason: because he can and because he learns something about himself. For me, those things would only be a short sensation. I look for challenges that take longer.1
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Ok, today I wanted to see what's possible: 104km in 5 hours. Yes, leisurely cycling. But I didn't try to go fast as I'd not cycled in nearly 5 years; and got lost quite a few times. And then my phone refused to charge on the last 30km and needed some convincing regularly to get me home, and switched itself off on the last 10 (how to I get home now!!!) so I had to slow down a bit more than I'd liked. This was easy. My legs didn't hurt at all, neither did my back or arms. I found a few things I'd improve on my bike (the saddle points slightly downwards at the front and I might look into grips for the end of my bar) but otherwise no pain, no problems at all. The biggest problem were alternating frozen fingers and toes for the whole tour but that always happens in winter. I still feel good now and not tired at all.
Great ... in roughly 3-4 weeks or so, go for a 125 km ride. About 4-ish weeks after that, go for a 150 km ride. And keep riding shorter distances in between. You're getting there!
And in answer to your other question ...
Not one of my four 1200K randonnees was a 95% guarantee. In fact, I've DNF'd 3 of the 7 -1200K randonnees I've attempted. But I was reasonably prepared for all of them.
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Deannalfisher, I can calculalte. Let me ask you something: have you ever done anything that has less that 95% of success or is your life completely safe and planned? I constantly do crazy things. Sometimes it works out, more often it doesn't. I still enjoy doing them, simply because I can and because I learn something about myself along the way. A colleague of mine does a different kind of crazy: bungee jumping, standing 3 minutes in -30 degrees, jumping into the sea in winter, etc.. He does it for the same reason: because he can and because he learns something about himself. For me, those things would only be a short sensation. I look for challenges that take longer.
Raced motorbikes for 10 years, threw myself into the scenery with some regularity, if you aren't risking crashing you aren't pushing hard enough to find your limit.
I always put enough fuel in the tank to finish the races though.1 -
Deannalfisher, I can calculalte. Let me ask you something: have you ever done anything that has less that 95% of success or is your life completely safe and planned? I constantly do crazy things. Sometimes it works out, more often it doesn't. I still enjoy doing them, simply because I can and because I learn something about myself along the way. A colleague of mine does a different kind of crazy: bungee jumping, standing 3 minutes in -30 degrees, jumping into the sea in winter, etc.. He does it for the same reason: because he can and because he learns something about himself. For me, those things would only be a short sensation. I look for challenges that take longer.
I think the primary point most people are making is that this doesn’t NEED to be a crazy thing with a low likelihood of success.
A bit of preparation makes this a reasonably achievable challenge.
No one is suggesting you can’t or shouldn’t do this.
Everyone is suggesting putting a bit of training into it.
The challenge of an event is not eliminated because you are reasonably prepared for it. You don’t get bonus points for needless suffering - that doesn’t count as martyrdom.
What are you afraid will happen if you do choose to do a modicum of preparation?
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I get that! I just can't train properly as regular cardio (at least running and swimming) makes me sick and gets me into hospital worst case with an as of yet undiagnosed, potentially endocrine problem, less bad with barely sleeping for up to 4 weeks due to constant peeing and muscles and heart problems, and shortness of breath caused by loss of electrolytes. That's also the reason why I'm not running anymore despite that it me very happy and works against depression. I will cycle more regularly once it gets a bit warmer (got frozen finger and toe syndrome. Thanks mom!) but not every few days as it might trigger yet another episode. I can go mountain hiking for a whole day once in a while or take part in an office running event. But once I start training 3x per week or so I'll get sick. Doing quick bodyweight intervals can be problematic as well. So far no problems a few long hikes on vacation with a few days of rest inbetween or lifting weights or slow bodyweight intervals 4-6x per week.2
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Right guys, I'd planned another long cycle trip for Saturday but changed plans a bit. Someone I know is selling her hardly ever used racing bike. So I'll 'hop' just over the German border (nearly 3 hours by train) and have a look at it. I found a bike with the same geometry in a shop and it seems to fit, though will need some adjustments. I think I'll consider it as a long-term project: wider handlebar (my balance is poor and I need a wider one), wider saddle with padding (I can't wear tight pants, and thus no pants with build-in padding), and other pedals. Not sure it'll be ready for the big ride but I'm excited nonetheless. Oh, and it looks like a smurf 2
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Deannalfisher, I can calculalte. Let me ask you something: have you ever done anything that has less that 95% of success or is your life completely safe and planned? I constantly do crazy things. Sometimes it works out, more often it doesn't. I still enjoy doing them, simply because I can and because I learn something about myself along the way. A colleague of mine does a different kind of crazy: bungee jumping, standing 3 minutes in -30 degrees, jumping into the sea in winter, etc.. He does it for the same reason: because he can and because he learns something about himself. For me, those things would only be a short sensation. I look for challenges that take longer.
my life isn't safe/planned - but i also know before i sign up for an event of that magnitude what needs to be done to successfully complete it. I finished my last ironman (140.6 mile - swim/bike/run event) with minutes to spare until the cut-off - because i putz around and didn't take my training seriously (the bike for that portion is 112 miles/180km) - its a hard lesson to learn and every single race that i volunteer at - i have to help people who miss cut-offs for events they have training for up to a year (if not more) to participate in1 -
deannalfisher wrote: »Deannalfisher, I can calculalte. Let me ask you something: have you ever done anything that has less that 95% of success or is your life completely safe and planned? I constantly do crazy things. Sometimes it works out, more often it doesn't. I still enjoy doing them, simply because I can and because I learn something about myself along the way. A colleague of mine does a different kind of crazy: bungee jumping, standing 3 minutes in -30 degrees, jumping into the sea in winter, etc.. He does it for the same reason: because he can and because he learns something about himself. For me, those things would only be a short sensation. I look for challenges that take longer.
my life isn't safe/planned - but i also know before i sign up for an event of that magnitude what needs to be done to successfully complete it. I finished my last ironman (140.6 mile - swim/bike/run event) with minutes to spare until the cut-off - because i putz around and didn't take my training seriously (the bike for that portion is 112 miles/180km) - its a hard lesson to learn and every single race that i volunteer at - i have to help people who miss cut-offs for events they have training for up to a year (if not more) to participate in
So let me ask you again what's wrong with not finishing? I don't see a problem there. I'll inform a volunteer if needed (doesn't seem to be anything as it's more of a day out with old/new friends rather than a race) and am off to the next train station home.1 -
deannalfisher wrote: »Deannalfisher, I can calculalte. Let me ask you something: have you ever done anything that has less that 95% of success or is your life completely safe and planned? I constantly do crazy things. Sometimes it works out, more often it doesn't. I still enjoy doing them, simply because I can and because I learn something about myself along the way. A colleague of mine does a different kind of crazy: bungee jumping, standing 3 minutes in -30 degrees, jumping into the sea in winter, etc.. He does it for the same reason: because he can and because he learns something about himself. For me, those things would only be a short sensation. I look for challenges that take longer.
my life isn't safe/planned - but i also know before i sign up for an event of that magnitude what needs to be done to successfully complete it. I finished my last ironman (140.6 mile - swim/bike/run event) with minutes to spare until the cut-off - because i putz around and didn't take my training seriously (the bike for that portion is 112 miles/180km) - its a hard lesson to learn and every single race that i volunteer at - i have to help people who miss cut-offs for events they have training for up to a year (if not more) to participate in
So let me ask you again what's wrong with not finishing? I don't see a problem there. I'll inform a volunteer if needed (doesn't seem to be anything as it's more of a day out with old/new friends rather than a race) and am off to the next train station home.
well the majority of people would see not finishing a goal as a failure of their training and for many of them with thousands of dollars invested in training/travel/equipment i can understand where they are coming from...if that isn't your state of mind then good for you2 -
deannalfisher wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »Deannalfisher, I can calculalte. Let me ask you something: have you ever done anything that has less that 95% of success or is your life completely safe and planned? I constantly do crazy things. Sometimes it works out, more often it doesn't. I still enjoy doing them, simply because I can and because I learn something about myself along the way. A colleague of mine does a different kind of crazy: bungee jumping, standing 3 minutes in -30 degrees, jumping into the sea in winter, etc.. He does it for the same reason: because he can and because he learns something about himself. For me, those things would only be a short sensation. I look for challenges that take longer.
my life isn't safe/planned - but i also know before i sign up for an event of that magnitude what needs to be done to successfully complete it. I finished my last ironman (140.6 mile - swim/bike/run event) with minutes to spare until the cut-off - because i putz around and didn't take my training seriously (the bike for that portion is 112 miles/180km) - its a hard lesson to learn and every single race that i volunteer at - i have to help people who miss cut-offs for events they have training for up to a year (if not more) to participate in
So let me ask you again what's wrong with not finishing? I don't see a problem there. I'll inform a volunteer if needed (doesn't seem to be anything as it's more of a day out with old/new friends rather than a race) and am off to the next train station home.
well the majority of people would see not finishing a goal as a failure of their training and for many of them with thousands of dollars invested in training/travel/equipment i can understand where they are coming from...if that isn't your state of mind then good for you
That's what I'm trying to say. It doesn't matter if I don't finish. Ok, I won't get the finisher beer glass (they don't do medals), but there are worse things. I tried it and that's what counts.1 -
I honestly think you're not giving the event the respect it deserves by having the attitude it doesn't matter if you dont finish. Fair enough if you don't finish because of a mechanical or your fitness level isn't high enough. But to have the don't care attitude is just disrespectful in my book.3
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ajwcyclist2016 wrote: »I honestly think you're not giving the event the respect it deserves by having the attitude it doesn't matter if you dont finish. Fair enough if you don't finish because of a mechanical or your fitness level isn't high enough. But to have the don't care attitude is just disrespectful in my book.
Mate. I do care. But if I don't finish then I still did my best and will be proud of myself and have enjoyed myself. That's a big difference to not caring at all.2 -
ajwcyclist2016 wrote: »I honestly think you're not giving the event the respect it deserves by having the attitude it doesn't matter if you dont finish. Fair enough if you don't finish because of a mechanical or your fitness level isn't high enough. But to have the don't care attitude is just disrespectful in my book.
Mate. I do care. But if I don't finish then I still did my best and will be proud of myself and have enjoyed myself. That's a big difference to not caring at all.
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deannalfisher wrote: »Deannalfisher, I can calculalte. Let me ask you something: have you ever done anything that has less that 95% of success or is your life completely safe and planned? I constantly do crazy things. Sometimes it works out, more often it doesn't. I still enjoy doing them, simply because I can and because I learn something about myself along the way. A colleague of mine does a different kind of crazy: bungee jumping, standing 3 minutes in -30 degrees, jumping into the sea in winter, etc.. He does it for the same reason: because he can and because he learns something about himself. For me, those things would only be a short sensation. I look for challenges that take longer.
my life isn't safe/planned - but i also know before i sign up for an event of that magnitude what needs to be done to successfully complete it. I finished my last ironman (140.6 mile - swim/bike/run event) with minutes to spare until the cut-off - because i putz around and didn't take my training seriously (the bike for that portion is 112 miles/180km) - its a hard lesson to learn and every single race that i volunteer at - i have to help people who miss cut-offs for events they have training for up to a year (if not more) to participate in
So let me ask you again what's wrong with not finishing? I don't see a problem there. I'll inform a volunteer if needed (doesn't seem to be anything as it's more of a day out with old/new friends rather than a race) and am off to the next train station home.
I said this weeks ago, but to reemphasize - assuming it's a supported event (not necessarily a race, an event), going into it with the knowledge that you're very unprepared puts an unfair burden on the organizers and volunteers.
edit: additionally, if it's an event with a limited number of spaces, you've essentially taken a space away from someone who will have a better chance to complete the event, which isn't fair to that person. For example, Cycle Oregon is a multi-day event that takes place in (wait for it...) Oregon every Summer, wildfires permitting. It's very popular and sells out within minutes. It would be unfair (and irresponsible) to sign up for that and say, "well I mean, I'm not going to train for this even though I have a large number of resources to do so."
Going into an event like that with the assumption that you'll be able to finish it because you've prepared and then, for various reasons, are not able to finish is very different from going into it willfully un/underprepared.1 -
deannalfisher wrote: »Deannalfisher, I can calculalte. Let me ask you something: have you ever done anything that has less that 95% of success or is your life completely safe and planned? I constantly do crazy things. Sometimes it works out, more often it doesn't. I still enjoy doing them, simply because I can and because I learn something about myself along the way. A colleague of mine does a different kind of crazy: bungee jumping, standing 3 minutes in -30 degrees, jumping into the sea in winter, etc.. He does it for the same reason: because he can and because he learns something about himself. For me, those things would only be a short sensation. I look for challenges that take longer.
my life isn't safe/planned - but i also know before i sign up for an event of that magnitude what needs to be done to successfully complete it. I finished my last ironman (140.6 mile - swim/bike/run event) with minutes to spare until the cut-off - because i putz around and didn't take my training seriously (the bike for that portion is 112 miles/180km) - its a hard lesson to learn and every single race that i volunteer at - i have to help people who miss cut-offs for events they have training for up to a year (if not more) to participate in
So let me ask you again what's wrong with not finishing? I don't see a problem there. I'll inform a volunteer if needed (doesn't seem to be anything as it's more of a day out with old/new friends rather than a race) and am off to the next train station home.
I said this weeks ago, but to reemphasize - assuming it's a supported event (not necessarily a race, an event), going into it with the knowledge that you're very unprepared puts an unfair burden on the organizers and volunteers.
edit: additionally, if it's an event with a limited number of spaces, you've essentially taken a space away from someone who will have a better chance to complete the event, which isn't fair to that person. For example, Cycle Oregon is a multi-day event that takes place in (wait for it...) Oregon every Summer, wildfires permitting. It's very popular and sells out within minutes. It would be unfair (and irresponsible) to sign up for that and say, "well I mean, I'm not going to train for this even though I have a large number of resources to do so."
Going into an event like that with the assumption that you'll be able to finish it because you've prepared and then, for various reasons, are not able to finish is very different from going into it willfully un/underprepared.
I just checked: the only volunteers will be those serving a lunch somewhere along the way and handing out water and food at two further stations. Plus those handing out a beer and serving a dinner at the end. That's all. No road closures, no first aid, nothing.1 -
deannalfisher wrote: »Deannalfisher, I can calculalte. Let me ask you something: have you ever done anything that has less that 95% of success or is your life completely safe and planned? I constantly do crazy things. Sometimes it works out, more often it doesn't. I still enjoy doing them, simply because I can and because I learn something about myself along the way. A colleague of mine does a different kind of crazy: bungee jumping, standing 3 minutes in -30 degrees, jumping into the sea in winter, etc.. He does it for the same reason: because he can and because he learns something about himself. For me, those things would only be a short sensation. I look for challenges that take longer.
my life isn't safe/planned - but i also know before i sign up for an event of that magnitude what needs to be done to successfully complete it. I finished my last ironman (140.6 mile - swim/bike/run event) with minutes to spare until the cut-off - because i putz around and didn't take my training seriously (the bike for that portion is 112 miles/180km) - its a hard lesson to learn and every single race that i volunteer at - i have to help people who miss cut-offs for events they have training for up to a year (if not more) to participate in
So let me ask you again what's wrong with not finishing? I don't see a problem there. I'll inform a volunteer if needed (doesn't seem to be anything as it's more of a day out with old/new friends rather than a race) and am off to the next train station home.
I said this weeks ago, but to reemphasize - assuming it's a supported event (not necessarily a race, an event), going into it with the knowledge that you're very unprepared puts an unfair burden on the organizers and volunteers.
edit: additionally, if it's an event with a limited number of spaces, you've essentially taken a space away from someone who will have a better chance to complete the event, which isn't fair to that person. For example, Cycle Oregon is a multi-day event that takes place in (wait for it...) Oregon every Summer, wildfires permitting. It's very popular and sells out within minutes. It would be unfair (and irresponsible) to sign up for that and say, "well I mean, I'm not going to train for this even though I have a large number of resources to do so."
Going into an event like that with the assumption that you'll be able to finish it because you've prepared and then, for various reasons, are not able to finish is very different from going into it willfully un/underprepared.
I just checked: the only volunteers will be those serving a lunch somewhere along the way and handing out water and food at two further stations. Plus those handing out a beer and serving a dinner at the end. That's all. No road closures, no first aid, nothing.
So no support vehicles? I feel a bit better then.0 -
deannalfisher wrote: »Deannalfisher, I can calculalte. Let me ask you something: have you ever done anything that has less that 95% of success or is your life completely safe and planned? I constantly do crazy things. Sometimes it works out, more often it doesn't. I still enjoy doing them, simply because I can and because I learn something about myself along the way. A colleague of mine does a different kind of crazy: bungee jumping, standing 3 minutes in -30 degrees, jumping into the sea in winter, etc.. He does it for the same reason: because he can and because he learns something about himself. For me, those things would only be a short sensation. I look for challenges that take longer.
my life isn't safe/planned - but i also know before i sign up for an event of that magnitude what needs to be done to successfully complete it. I finished my last ironman (140.6 mile - swim/bike/run event) with minutes to spare until the cut-off - because i putz around and didn't take my training seriously (the bike for that portion is 112 miles/180km) - its a hard lesson to learn and every single race that i volunteer at - i have to help people who miss cut-offs for events they have training for up to a year (if not more) to participate in
So let me ask you again what's wrong with not finishing? I don't see a problem there. I'll inform a volunteer if needed (doesn't seem to be anything as it's more of a day out with old/new friends rather than a race) and am off to the next train station home.
I said this weeks ago, but to reemphasize - assuming it's a supported event (not necessarily a race, an event), going into it with the knowledge that you're very unprepared puts an unfair burden on the organizers and volunteers.
edit: additionally, if it's an event with a limited number of spaces, you've essentially taken a space away from someone who will have a better chance to complete the event, which isn't fair to that person. For example, Cycle Oregon is a multi-day event that takes place in (wait for it...) Oregon every Summer, wildfires permitting. It's very popular and sells out within minutes. It would be unfair (and irresponsible) to sign up for that and say, "well I mean, I'm not going to train for this even though I have a large number of resources to do so."
Going into an event like that with the assumption that you'll be able to finish it because you've prepared and then, for various reasons, are not able to finish is very different from going into it willfully un/underprepared.
I just checked: the only volunteers will be those serving a lunch somewhere along the way and handing out water and food at two further stations. Plus those handing out a beer and serving a dinner at the end. That's all. No road closures, no first aid, nothing.
So no support vehicles? I feel a bit better then.
I would be absolutely shocked if there wasn't SAG on a 300K ride...I've never heard of that before.1 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »Deannalfisher, I can calculalte. Let me ask you something: have you ever done anything that has less that 95% of success or is your life completely safe and planned? I constantly do crazy things. Sometimes it works out, more often it doesn't. I still enjoy doing them, simply because I can and because I learn something about myself along the way. A colleague of mine does a different kind of crazy: bungee jumping, standing 3 minutes in -30 degrees, jumping into the sea in winter, etc.. He does it for the same reason: because he can and because he learns something about himself. For me, those things would only be a short sensation. I look for challenges that take longer.
my life isn't safe/planned - but i also know before i sign up for an event of that magnitude what needs to be done to successfully complete it. I finished my last ironman (140.6 mile - swim/bike/run event) with minutes to spare until the cut-off - because i putz around and didn't take my training seriously (the bike for that portion is 112 miles/180km) - its a hard lesson to learn and every single race that i volunteer at - i have to help people who miss cut-offs for events they have training for up to a year (if not more) to participate in
So let me ask you again what's wrong with not finishing? I don't see a problem there. I'll inform a volunteer if needed (doesn't seem to be anything as it's more of a day out with old/new friends rather than a race) and am off to the next train station home.
I said this weeks ago, but to reemphasize - assuming it's a supported event (not necessarily a race, an event), going into it with the knowledge that you're very unprepared puts an unfair burden on the organizers and volunteers.
edit: additionally, if it's an event with a limited number of spaces, you've essentially taken a space away from someone who will have a better chance to complete the event, which isn't fair to that person. For example, Cycle Oregon is a multi-day event that takes place in (wait for it...) Oregon every Summer, wildfires permitting. It's very popular and sells out within minutes. It would be unfair (and irresponsible) to sign up for that and say, "well I mean, I'm not going to train for this even though I have a large number of resources to do so."
Going into an event like that with the assumption that you'll be able to finish it because you've prepared and then, for various reasons, are not able to finish is very different from going into it willfully un/underprepared.
I just checked: the only volunteers will be those serving a lunch somewhere along the way and handing out water and food at two further stations. Plus those handing out a beer and serving a dinner at the end. That's all. No road closures, no first aid, nothing.
So no support vehicles? I feel a bit better then.
I would be absolutely shocked if there wasn't SAG on a 300K ride...I've never heard of that before.
I'll give you that. I haven't done a 300km ride, but I was kind of surprised with the OP's answer about the lack of SAG.1 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »Deannalfisher, I can calculalte. Let me ask you something: have you ever done anything that has less that 95% of success or is your life completely safe and planned? I constantly do crazy things. Sometimes it works out, more often it doesn't. I still enjoy doing them, simply because I can and because I learn something about myself along the way. A colleague of mine does a different kind of crazy: bungee jumping, standing 3 minutes in -30 degrees, jumping into the sea in winter, etc.. He does it for the same reason: because he can and because he learns something about himself. For me, those things would only be a short sensation. I look for challenges that take longer.
my life isn't safe/planned - but i also know before i sign up for an event of that magnitude what needs to be done to successfully complete it. I finished my last ironman (140.6 mile - swim/bike/run event) with minutes to spare until the cut-off - because i putz around and didn't take my training seriously (the bike for that portion is 112 miles/180km) - its a hard lesson to learn and every single race that i volunteer at - i have to help people who miss cut-offs for events they have training for up to a year (if not more) to participate in
So let me ask you again what's wrong with not finishing? I don't see a problem there. I'll inform a volunteer if needed (doesn't seem to be anything as it's more of a day out with old/new friends rather than a race) and am off to the next train station home.
I said this weeks ago, but to reemphasize - assuming it's a supported event (not necessarily a race, an event), going into it with the knowledge that you're very unprepared puts an unfair burden on the organizers and volunteers.
edit: additionally, if it's an event with a limited number of spaces, you've essentially taken a space away from someone who will have a better chance to complete the event, which isn't fair to that person. For example, Cycle Oregon is a multi-day event that takes place in (wait for it...) Oregon every Summer, wildfires permitting. It's very popular and sells out within minutes. It would be unfair (and irresponsible) to sign up for that and say, "well I mean, I'm not going to train for this even though I have a large number of resources to do so."
Going into an event like that with the assumption that you'll be able to finish it because you've prepared and then, for various reasons, are not able to finish is very different from going into it willfully un/underprepared.
I just checked: the only volunteers will be those serving a lunch somewhere along the way and handing out water and food at two further stations. Plus those handing out a beer and serving a dinner at the end. That's all. No road closures, no first aid, nothing.
So no support vehicles? I feel a bit better then.
I would be absolutely shocked if there wasn't SAG on a 300K ride...I've never heard of that before.
I'll give you that. I haven't done a 300km ride, but I was kind of surprised with the OP's answer about the lack of SAG.
300 km randonnees don't usually have SAGs ... but I don't think she's doing a randonnee.1 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »Deannalfisher, I can calculalte. Let me ask you something: have you ever done anything that has less that 95% of success or is your life completely safe and planned? I constantly do crazy things. Sometimes it works out, more often it doesn't. I still enjoy doing them, simply because I can and because I learn something about myself along the way. A colleague of mine does a different kind of crazy: bungee jumping, standing 3 minutes in -30 degrees, jumping into the sea in winter, etc.. He does it for the same reason: because he can and because he learns something about himself. For me, those things would only be a short sensation. I look for challenges that take longer.
my life isn't safe/planned - but i also know before i sign up for an event of that magnitude what needs to be done to successfully complete it. I finished my last ironman (140.6 mile - swim/bike/run event) with minutes to spare until the cut-off - because i putz around and didn't take my training seriously (the bike for that portion is 112 miles/180km) - its a hard lesson to learn and every single race that i volunteer at - i have to help people who miss cut-offs for events they have training for up to a year (if not more) to participate in
So let me ask you again what's wrong with not finishing? I don't see a problem there. I'll inform a volunteer if needed (doesn't seem to be anything as it's more of a day out with old/new friends rather than a race) and am off to the next train station home.
I said this weeks ago, but to reemphasize - assuming it's a supported event (not necessarily a race, an event), going into it with the knowledge that you're very unprepared puts an unfair burden on the organizers and volunteers.
edit: additionally, if it's an event with a limited number of spaces, you've essentially taken a space away from someone who will have a better chance to complete the event, which isn't fair to that person. For example, Cycle Oregon is a multi-day event that takes place in (wait for it...) Oregon every Summer, wildfires permitting. It's very popular and sells out within minutes. It would be unfair (and irresponsible) to sign up for that and say, "well I mean, I'm not going to train for this even though I have a large number of resources to do so."
Going into an event like that with the assumption that you'll be able to finish it because you've prepared and then, for various reasons, are not able to finish is very different from going into it willfully un/underprepared.
I just checked: the only volunteers will be those serving a lunch somewhere along the way and handing out water and food at two further stations. Plus those handing out a beer and serving a dinner at the end. That's all. No road closures, no first aid, nothing.
So no support vehicles? I feel a bit better then.
I would be absolutely shocked if there wasn't SAG on a 300K ride...I've never heard of that before.
I'll give you that. I haven't done a 300km ride, but I was kind of surprised with the OP's answer about the lack of SAG.
300 km randonnees don't usually have SAGs ... but I don't think she's doing a randonnee.
Again, it's not a race but meant as a day out for friends or people looking for new friends. You have a lot of those kind of things outside for example the over-safety conscious UK. As it's such an obvious route to do here I had looked at it before and considered just doing this, but it sounds like more fun with other people around. This is how those things start.1 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »Deannalfisher, I can calculalte. Let me ask you something: have you ever done anything that has less that 95% of success or is your life completely safe and planned? I constantly do crazy things. Sometimes it works out, more often it doesn't. I still enjoy doing them, simply because I can and because I learn something about myself along the way. A colleague of mine does a different kind of crazy: bungee jumping, standing 3 minutes in -30 degrees, jumping into the sea in winter, etc.. He does it for the same reason: because he can and because he learns something about himself. For me, those things would only be a short sensation. I look for challenges that take longer.
my life isn't safe/planned - but i also know before i sign up for an event of that magnitude what needs to be done to successfully complete it. I finished my last ironman (140.6 mile - swim/bike/run event) with minutes to spare until the cut-off - because i putz around and didn't take my training seriously (the bike for that portion is 112 miles/180km) - its a hard lesson to learn and every single race that i volunteer at - i have to help people who miss cut-offs for events they have training for up to a year (if not more) to participate in
So let me ask you again what's wrong with not finishing? I don't see a problem there. I'll inform a volunteer if needed (doesn't seem to be anything as it's more of a day out with old/new friends rather than a race) and am off to the next train station home.
I said this weeks ago, but to reemphasize - assuming it's a supported event (not necessarily a race, an event), going into it with the knowledge that you're very unprepared puts an unfair burden on the organizers and volunteers.
edit: additionally, if it's an event with a limited number of spaces, you've essentially taken a space away from someone who will have a better chance to complete the event, which isn't fair to that person. For example, Cycle Oregon is a multi-day event that takes place in (wait for it...) Oregon every Summer, wildfires permitting. It's very popular and sells out within minutes. It would be unfair (and irresponsible) to sign up for that and say, "well I mean, I'm not going to train for this even though I have a large number of resources to do so."
Going into an event like that with the assumption that you'll be able to finish it because you've prepared and then, for various reasons, are not able to finish is very different from going into it willfully un/underprepared.
I just checked: the only volunteers will be those serving a lunch somewhere along the way and handing out water and food at two further stations. Plus those handing out a beer and serving a dinner at the end. That's all. No road closures, no first aid, nothing.
So no support vehicles? I feel a bit better then.
I would be absolutely shocked if there wasn't SAG on a 300K ride...I've never heard of that before.
I'll give you that. I haven't done a 300km ride, but I was kind of surprised with the OP's answer about the lack of SAG.
300 km randonnees don't usually have SAGs ... but I don't think she's doing a randonnee.
Again, it's not a race but meant as a day out for friends or people looking for new friends. You have a lot of those kind of things outside for example the over-safety conscious UK. As it's such an obvious route to do here I had looked at it before and considered just doing this, but it sounds like more fun with other people around. This is how those things start.
I do UK Audax events and they don't have SAGs for single day events, part of the culture of Audax events is to be self-sufficient.2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »Deannalfisher, I can calculalte. Let me ask you something: have you ever done anything that has less that 95% of success or is your life completely safe and planned? I constantly do crazy things. Sometimes it works out, more often it doesn't. I still enjoy doing them, simply because I can and because I learn something about myself along the way. A colleague of mine does a different kind of crazy: bungee jumping, standing 3 minutes in -30 degrees, jumping into the sea in winter, etc.. He does it for the same reason: because he can and because he learns something about himself. For me, those things would only be a short sensation. I look for challenges that take longer.
my life isn't safe/planned - but i also know before i sign up for an event of that magnitude what needs to be done to successfully complete it. I finished my last ironman (140.6 mile - swim/bike/run event) with minutes to spare until the cut-off - because i putz around and didn't take my training seriously (the bike for that portion is 112 miles/180km) - its a hard lesson to learn and every single race that i volunteer at - i have to help people who miss cut-offs for events they have training for up to a year (if not more) to participate in
So let me ask you again what's wrong with not finishing? I don't see a problem there. I'll inform a volunteer if needed (doesn't seem to be anything as it's more of a day out with old/new friends rather than a race) and am off to the next train station home.
I said this weeks ago, but to reemphasize - assuming it's a supported event (not necessarily a race, an event), going into it with the knowledge that you're very unprepared puts an unfair burden on the organizers and volunteers.
edit: additionally, if it's an event with a limited number of spaces, you've essentially taken a space away from someone who will have a better chance to complete the event, which isn't fair to that person. For example, Cycle Oregon is a multi-day event that takes place in (wait for it...) Oregon every Summer, wildfires permitting. It's very popular and sells out within minutes. It would be unfair (and irresponsible) to sign up for that and say, "well I mean, I'm not going to train for this even though I have a large number of resources to do so."
Going into an event like that with the assumption that you'll be able to finish it because you've prepared and then, for various reasons, are not able to finish is very different from going into it willfully un/underprepared.
I just checked: the only volunteers will be those serving a lunch somewhere along the way and handing out water and food at two further stations. Plus those handing out a beer and serving a dinner at the end. That's all. No road closures, no first aid, nothing.
So no support vehicles? I feel a bit better then.
I would be absolutely shocked if there wasn't SAG on a 300K ride...I've never heard of that before.
I'll give you that. I haven't done a 300km ride, but I was kind of surprised with the OP's answer about the lack of SAG.
300 km randonnees don't usually have SAGs ... but I don't think she's doing a randonnee.
Again, it's not a race but meant as a day out for friends or people looking for new friends. You have a lot of those kind of things outside for example the over-safety conscious UK. As it's such an obvious route to do here I had looked at it before and considered just doing this, but it sounds like more fun with other people around. This is how those things start.
No one is assuming that this is a race.2 -
In case anyone wonders how I'm doing. Very well. I'll manage this day in the given time. I can cycle well over 200km at a good pace without any problems.
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only: I have to pull out due to a cycling injury
No, not on my race bike. On my city bike at low pace when another cyclist crashed into me when he prevented being hit by a car. Basically we both have a rubbished knee now and the car drove off. 4 weeks later the wounds are still not fully healed and every time I overdo things I need to get back to my gp to have blood and other fluids sucked out of my knee. So: no more longer distances until this is fully healed.
Which means I'll miss training time. *kitten*! 3 -
Sorry to hear about the knee ... but maybe next time!0
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Thanks. I feel gutted, but it's the right decision as I can't continue going to me gp with repeated swelling because I'm being stupid.2
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Glad your training was going well but so sorry to hear about your crash. I hate hearing about bike crashes. Smart choice to give yourself time to heal properly. 0
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