Intermittent Fasting

snickerscharlie · January 2019

Silentpadna wrote: »

As one of those who try to espouse clear thinking on things, and one of those who most likely comes off as judgmental (both in this thread and others), I'll tell you this: that is not the intent.

I'm a big believer in using IF as a tool because it helps me control my energy input.

But, it's extremely (I mean really extremely) important that people understand cause and effect. As I've shouted from the rooftops many times: you cannot violate the laws of nature. You don't create energy - you take in fuel (input) and you burn it (output) or store it. Period. IF doesn't change any of that. It is your energy balance that determines how much gets stored or how much stored energy is used. To the extent that IF helps you control that, that is what it gets credit for.

The problem is that there is a huge industry out there preying on people who are uninformed. Making huge money on shortcuts and secrets that are not the cause of the desired effect. IF does not cause fat loss. Keto does not cause fat loss. None of the named diets cause fat loss. You can gain weight on all of them. A calorie deficit is the only thing that does. That is the cause and nothing else.

None of the posts in here are in any way judgmental toward any person. I don't judge anyone who wants to use IF, but if someone makes claims that it does what it doesn't, I'll call it out.

QFT

try2again · January 2019

barbarajaneuk wrote: »

frankiesgirlie wrote: »

@barbarajaneuk. I saw that documentary and it was so interesting and well done.
I’ve been an intermittent faster for 35 plus years. Way before it had a “name”. Not for weight loss, but because of how it makes me feel. I always feel smarter, faster, leaner, more creative, and have more energy when fasting. It’s good for my well being. I’m very healthy for my age. 57 and no health problems. I credit fasting for a lot of it. I do a flexible 16/8, and eat from about 3pm to 11pm. I’m a night owl.

All of the scientific studies I have read on it, comment on the amount of energy you get. I don’t eat breakfast and haven’t done for years, so I do go longer than most without food, between 12-16hrs and maintained a previous weight loss doing this (trying out a new style of dieting to lose some more weight currently, so I am sometimes now having breakfast). I too am extremely healthy, often get told I am look younger than I am (I am in my 50s too!) and have amazing skin and I never slap expensive creams on it.. in fact most nights I sleep with my makeup on 🤪... Maybe it is the fasting x

I thought your picture looked familiar- the "switching to a new diet every 5 days thread"!

IF often helps me adhere to a calorie deficit. Hopefully lurkers will investigate any fantastical claims using reputable sources

sijomial · January 2019

barbarajaneuk wrote: »

@mithion, a lot of people on here are so judgemental if you are not following the plan they are doing. They don’t see that different plans work for different people (my post got a lot of slating too 😂).

I don’t know where you are based, but if you can find it, the BBC in the U.K. did a documentary on intermittent fasting and followed a well known U.K. journalist as he embarked on this regime, he was closely monitored and had every expert in the field advising on the diet. It’s called: Horizon - eat, fast and live longer. It’s available on BBC iplayer but maybe available elsewhere.

Anyway, lots of scientist and experts talk about the health benefits of fasting and he had fantastic success, it lowered his cholesterol and BP and he lost weight too.. he had no ill effects and where he thought he would crave “bad foods” he actually didn’t and felt amazing.

Wishing you good luck and hopefully you have found the diet that works for you x

@barbarajaneuk

And if you read Michael Mosley's book carefully you will see he is guilty of some completely unscientific cherry picking of excerpts of studies out of context. Often those studies themselves had completely different IF protocols, no IF protocol at all in some instances.
Dr Krista Varady (a serious and scientific IF researcher) actually compelled him to remove references to her work as it was misleading.

I actually did 5:2 by the way and found it really helpful. I'm not anti IF in any way, it's a very useful tool for many.

Read a little deeper, read the studies themselves rather than let the author get away with boosting credibility by just adding references or paraphrasing.
Beware of extrapolating results from one study methodology or group of participants to others. Beware rodent (or yeast!) studies being extrapolated to humans - it doesn't work that way and isn't intended to be used that way. Take note of what the referenced study was actually being intended to investigate (not prove, investigate). Look for what's missing - often opposing views can be equally well supported by cherry picked studies.

If you want a non IF example of studies taken out of context there's one that shows a remarkable difference in muscle protein synthesis when protein intake is timed around training. But then you notice that the study participants were on a totally inadequate and unrealistic overall protein level. You can't use those results to advise people on an adequate daily allowance that protein timing will make a huge difference to them. But protein salesmen will do just that.

Longshore · January 2019

Wow lot of "experts" in here. Lets see if i can ruffle some feathers..... Im living the Keto life and i IF because im just not hungry. Its hard to eat 2500 calories in one meal let alone go over 2500 cals. Thats why IF works....Its hard to over eat....

mithion · January 2019

I just don't understand why everyone had to get super opinionated and scientific lol. My original post was a question asking wha method other people use for IF and if it works etc. That somehow turned into everyone wanting to put their two cents in about how the body loses weight.

Silentpadna · January 2019

snickerscharlie wrote: »

Silentpadna wrote: »

As one of those who try to espouse clear thinking on things, and one of those who most likely comes off as judgmental (both in this thread and others), I'll tell you this: that is not the intent.

I'm a big believer in using IF as a tool because it helps me control my energy input.

But, it's extremely (I mean really extremely) important that people understand cause and effect. As I've shouted from the rooftops many times: you cannot violate the laws of nature. You don't create energy - you take in fuel (input) and you burn it (output) or store it. Period. IF doesn't change any of that. It is your energy balance that determines how much gets stored or how much stored energy is used. To the extent that IF helps you control that, that is what it gets credit for.

The problem is that there is a huge industry out there preying on people who are uninformed. Making huge money on shortcuts and secrets that are not the cause of the desired effect. IF does not cause fat loss. Keto does not cause fat loss. None of the named diets cause fat loss. You can gain weight on all of them. A calorie deficit is the only thing that does. That is the cause and nothing else.

None of the posts in here are in any way judgmental toward any person. I don't judge anyone who wants to use IF, but if someone makes claims that it does what it doesn't, I'll call it out.

QFT

Pardon my ignorance, but QFT means what?

JustSomeEm · January 2019

@Silentpadna - QFT means Quoted For Truth.

Silentpadna · January 2019

pierinifitness wrote: »

Silentpadna wrote: »

As one of those who try to espouse clear thinking on things, and one of those who most likely comes off as judgmental (both in this thread and others), I'll tell you this: that is not the intent.

I'm a big believer in using IF as a tool because it helps me control my energy input.

But, it's extremely (I mean really extremely) important that people understand cause and effect. As I've shouted from the rooftops many times: you cannot violate the laws of nature. You don't create energy - you take in fuel (input) and you burn it (output) or store it. Period. IF doesn't change any of that. It is your energy balance that determines how much gets stored or how much stored energy is used. To the extent that IF helps you control that, that is what it gets credit for.

The problem is that there is a huge industry out there preying on people who are uninformed. Making huge money on shortcuts and secrets that are not the cause of the desired effect. IF does not cause fat loss. Keto does not cause fat loss. None of the named diets cause fat loss. You can gain weight on all of them. A calorie deficit is the only thing that does. That is the cause and nothing else.

None of the posts in here are in any way judgmental toward any person. I don't judge anyone who wants to use IF, but if someone makes claims that it does what it doesn't, I'll call it out.

Well thanks for letting us know your “ministry.”

I’ve been a moderator on fitness forums in the past and know there are always kindre soul participants tring to save others from the evils of the world.

It's not my "ministry", whatever that's supposed to mean in your context. I willfully admit to being dense about some things, so instead of assuming what I think you mean, I'll just ask you or let it go.

But....have you ever been duped or misled about anything which might have caused you to make an illogical decision? Or an expensive one that needed not be?

I have no extra pride or anything in this. I've made plenty of bad decisions not necessarily based on bad information, but based on irrelevant information that appears to be related, but really isn't. That's why I get passionate about this stuff.

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