LADIES...!! What protein?
GainzWitHan
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What protein powder is best for grow muscles? I’m currently using VegaSport protein powder but I feel like I’m not seeing results. I will drink two times a day. Morning and directly after my work out. Any protein powders that have given you results and if so, what is it called?
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Protein powder isn't magic. A specific brand isn't magic.
Hit your protein using whatever food/powder you prefer.
You won't be growing any muscles unless you're hitting the weight room, anyway.16 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »Protein powder isn't magic. A specific brand isn't magic.
Hit your protein using whatever food/powder you prefer.
You won't be growing any muscles unless you're hitting the weight room, anyway.
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Protein, whether from powder or chicken or whatever, provides your body the building blocks to build muscle. But your workout will provide the stress and damage that causes your body to actually build your muscle in the first place.
Also, make sure your expectations are realistic. A woman whose program and nutrition are 100% on point will usually barely be gaining a couple of lbs of muscle per month. And those kind of results are going to take a long time to be obviously visible unless you are already quite lean.6 -
What results are you expecting from the protein shake? It literally just supplements your intake of protein if you are not getting enough through your diet. That's it.
To build muscle you also need a calorie surplus and a structured strength training routine. The protein alone won't do anything.
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You were not seeing results in what time frame and compared to what previous results?
There are many variables that dictate which results can take place.
Such as...
Age?
How male are you?
Are you carnivores?
Are you sensitive or resistant to training or somewhere in between?
Is the stress you apply to your muscles is a useful dose and a useful frequency?
I'm not sure if all Vega products have leucine, isoleucine, and valine but some will which is very inportant especially for a plant based protein source. Since without at the very least 3-4 grams of leucine per meal, you won't see optimal results in hypertrophy. If the protein is lacking leucine as a whole as some are, then hpertrophy is impossible.
You would be surprised who many protein supplements are lacking in this basic need for muscle protein synthesis to take place and therefore the protein is essentially a energy source when the goal is hypertrophy.
In other words protein doesn't equate to results.
Btw I'm male and just wanted to pass along info, I'm sorry if my reply was out of line in your "female post".
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I use Integrated Supplements Whey Isolate to supplement my protein intake.
I get protein from food primarily, I eat a lot of yogurt and cheese for snacks, in addition to meat protein at meals. Sometimes I use protein powder.
I use that protein to build muscle lifting weights.1 -
How male are you?
Did not realize this was a sliding scale for most people...
OP - no protein powder is going to just BOOM put muscle on you. It is a product to supplement your normal dietary intake. You're going to have to consume adequate calories, including proteins, and lift weights to build muscle.
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quiksylver296 wrote: »
You're more male than I @quiksylver296
I mean, you lift more than I can, carry a weapon and have trucknutz.....1 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »
You're more male than I @quiksylver296
I mean, you lift more than I can, carry a weapon and have trucknutz.....
I do NOT have trucknutz!
Those other things, though...2 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »
You're more male than I @quiksylver296
I mean, you lift more than I can, carry a weapon and have trucknutz.....
I do NOT have trucknutz!
Those other things, though...
Someone protests a bit too much.....3 -
How male are you?
Did not realize this was a sliding scale for most people...
OP - no protein powder is going to just BOOM put muscle on you. It is a product to supplement your normal dietary intake. You're going to have to consume adequate calories, including proteins, and lift weights to build muscle.
Males and females that have broader shoulders that taper to smaller waists tend to be more sensitive and respond better to training.
Males and females with narrow shoulders width with a wider midsection tend to be more resistant to training.
This is well documented. I often cringe when people suggest woman can't grow muscles or develop strength as fast as a man, because it's simply relative to the individual and the training involved.1 -
How male are you?
Did not realize this was a sliding scale for most people...
OP - no protein powder is going to just BOOM put muscle on you. It is a product to supplement your normal dietary intake. You're going to have to consume adequate calories, including proteins, and lift weights to build muscle.
Males and females that have broader shoulders that taper to smaller waists tend to be more sensitive and respond better to training.
Males and females with narrow shoulders width with a wider midsection tend to be more resistant to training.
This is well documented. I often cringe when people suggest woman can't grow muscles or develop strength as fast as a man, because it's simply relative to the individual and the training involved.
Can you supply a link to this documentation? You know google - thousands of hits for any search, but strangely, the only hits I get for searching "Broad (Wide) Shoulders narrow waist sensitivity to (weight) training" brings up exercises specifically for the shoulders and creating a broader look. This sounds suspiciously like some form of somatotype classification system. I'd think that naturally broad shoulders and narrow waist would lend themselves to a better aesthetic (at least for men) but physiologically hormonal levels (T) and more specifically the amount of androgen receptors a person has been genetically gifted with would play a more important role. I'm not sure bone structure is an accurate indicator of such.3 -
jseams1234 wrote: »How male are you?
Did not realize this was a sliding scale for most people...
OP - no protein powder is going to just BOOM put muscle on you. It is a product to supplement your normal dietary intake. You're going to have to consume adequate calories, including proteins, and lift weights to build muscle.
Males and females that have broader shoulders that taper to smaller waists tend to be more sensitive and respond better to training.
Males and females with narrow shoulders width with a wider midsection tend to be more resistant to training.
This is well documented. I often cringe when people suggest woman can't grow muscles or develop strength as fast as a man, because it's simply relative to the individual and the training involved.
Can you supply a link to this documentation? You know google - thousands of hits for any search, but strangely, the only hits I get for searching "Broad (Wide) Shoulders narrow waist sensitivity to (weight) training" brings up exercises specifically for the shoulders and creating a broader look. This sounds suspiciously like some form of somatotype classification system. I'd think that naturally broad shoulders and narrow waist would lend themselves to a better aesthetic (at least for men) but physiologically hormonal levels (T) and more specifically the amount of androgen receptors a person has been genetically gifted with would play a more important role. I'm not sure bone structure is an accurate indicator of such.
Unable to bring up the literature currently, but I'm not speaking of specifically of bone structure but the muscular stature that is promoted by T levels and other factors be it naturally or otherwise.
Dr Buraki and Dr Feigenbaum have stated the literature and stronger evidence that support this via their seminars, social media outlets, and of course Barbell Medicine's site if you care to fine tune your research.
It sounds like we are both in agreement regardless.1 -
jseams1234 wrote: »How male are you?
Did not realize this was a sliding scale for most people...
OP - no protein powder is going to just BOOM put muscle on you. It is a product to supplement your normal dietary intake. You're going to have to consume adequate calories, including proteins, and lift weights to build muscle.
Males and females that have broader shoulders that taper to smaller waists tend to be more sensitive and respond better to training.
Males and females with narrow shoulders width with a wider midsection tend to be more resistant to training.
This is well documented. I often cringe when people suggest woman can't grow muscles or develop strength as fast as a man, because it's simply relative to the individual and the training involved.
Can you supply a link to this documentation? You know google - thousands of hits for any search, but strangely, the only hits I get for searching "Broad (Wide) Shoulders narrow waist sensitivity to (weight) training" brings up exercises specifically for the shoulders and creating a broader look. This sounds suspiciously like some form of somatotype classification system. I'd think that naturally broad shoulders and narrow waist would lend themselves to a better aesthetic (at least for men) but physiologically hormonal levels (T) and more specifically the amount of androgen receptors a person has been genetically gifted with would play a more important role. I'm not sure bone structure is an accurate indicator of such.
Unable to bring up the literature currently, but I'm not speaking of specifically of bone structure but the muscular stature that is promoted by T levels and other factors be it naturally or otherwise.
Dr Buraki and Dr Feigenbaum have stated the literature and stronger evidence that support this via their seminars, social media outlets, and of course Barbell Medicine's site if you care to fine tune your research.
It sounds like we are both in agreement regardless.
Thank you. I’ll check it out. I can understand what you are saying now. I do think we are in agreement.
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How male are you?
Did not realize this was a sliding scale for most people...
OP - no protein powder is going to just BOOM put muscle on you. It is a product to supplement your normal dietary intake. You're going to have to consume adequate calories, including proteins, and lift weights to build muscle.
Males and females that have broader shoulders that taper to smaller waists tend to be more sensitive and respond better to training.
Males and females with narrow shoulders width with a wider midsection tend to be more resistant to training.
This is well documented. I often cringe when people suggest woman can't grow muscles or develop strength as fast as a man, because it's simply relative to the individual and the training involved.
oohhh this made my day I have broad shoulders and a smaller waist. yay me lol3 -
@Chieflrg I was halfway kidding with you just because of the wording sounded funny - I am fully aware that test levels will vary slightly between different females (and among different men, of course) and different test levels will impact their respective responses to training But I mean, you have to admit, asking a female "how male are you?" sounds pretty odd. I recommend you don't ask that to a random chick at a bar ; ) you may get more than you bargained for5
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@Chieflrg I was halfway kidding with you just because of the wording sounded funny - I am fully aware that test levels will vary slightly between different females (and among different men, of course) and different test levels will impact their respective responses to training But I mean, you have to admit, asking a female "how male are you?" sounds pretty odd. I recommend you don't ask that to a random chick at a bar ; ) you may get more than you bargained for
Sounds a little like the do you have a little Irish in you line, but worse.1 -
GainzWitHan wrote: »What protein powder is best for grow muscles? I’m currently using VegaSport protein powder but I feel like I’m not seeing results. I will drink two times a day. Morning and directly after my work out. Any protein powders that have given you results and if so, what is it called?
Protein powder is just a supplement...there's nothing magical about it. It just supplements your other dietary intake of protein. The protein supplement isn't going to result in anything other than providing more protein to your day.
What kind of program are you running? Your training is going to dictate your results, not a particular brand of protein supplement.1 -
If you want gains, getting in enough of the right nutrients at the right time is important, but as many has mentioned, a lot of it has to do with your weight lifting routine. If your a beginner at stregth/weight training, you first should focus on improving strength and endurance, then as a result of going heavier, muscle growth/toning slowly occurs.
Regarding the necessary nutrients - leucine, glutamine, creatine, protein (obviously) and what most people don't know is a high glycemic carbohydrate to add to your post workout protein shake - such as Maltodextrin, dextrose, waxy maize, etc.
A carb & protein shake with your BCAAs will aid in protein synthesis, recovery, and set the stage for muscle growth. The carbs help shuttle all the nutrients to where they need to go. If you don't include a hi-glycemic carb into your post workout shake, then unfortunately your body doesn't take in all the protein and amino acid nutrients and therefore all that hard work you just did in the gym isn't going to result in as much muscle growth as you'd expect.
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I know I’m going to regret asking this - but purely for the benefit of a dense Brit - what are trucknutz??Tacklewasher wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »
You're more male than I @quiksylver296
I mean, you lift more than I can, carry a weapon and have trucknutz.....
I do NOT have trucknutz!
Those other things, though...
Someone protests a bit too much.....
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claireychn074 wrote: »
I know I’m going to regret asking this - but purely for the benefit of a dense Brit - what are trucknutz??Tacklewasher wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »
You're more male than I @quiksylver296
I mean, you lift more than I can, carry a weapon and have trucknutz.....
I do NOT have trucknutz!
Those other things, though...
Someone protests a bit too much.....
... around here you will sometimes see a pair of molded plastic (or even steel) testicles hanging off the rear end of a truck... "trucknutz".
https://www.amazon.com/HOLIDAY-SPECIAL-Flesh-Combo-Nutz/dp/B002M40S7C/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1550252772&sr=8-4&keywords=truck+nuts1 -
... around here you will sometimes see a pair of molded plastic (or even steel) testicles hanging off the rear end of a truck... "trucknutz".
https://www.amazon.com/HOLIDAY-SPECIAL-Flesh-Combo-Nutz/dp/B002M40S7C/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1550252772&sr=8-4&keywords=truck+nuts[/quote]
OMG that’s hilarious!! 🤣 I just would not have guessed that. Wow.1 -
jenkae1012 wrote: »If you want gains, getting in enough of the right nutrients at the right time is important, but as many has mentioned, a lot of it has to do with your weight lifting routine. If your a beginner at stregth/weight training, you first should focus on improving strength and endurance, then as a result of going heavier, muscle growth/toning slowly occurs.
Regarding the necessary nutrients - leucine, glutamine, creatine, protein (obviously) and what most people don't know is a high glycemic carbohydrate to add to your post workout protein shake - such as Maltodextrin, dextrose, waxy maize, etc.
A carb & protein shake with your BCAAs will aid in protein synthesis, recovery, and set the stage for muscle growth. The carbs help shuttle all the nutrients to where they need to go. If you don't include a hi-glycemic carb into your post workout shake, then unfortunately your body doesn't take in all the protein and amino acid nutrients and therefore all that hard work you just did in the gym isn't going to result in as much muscle growth as you'd expect.
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Much of this is just not true. BCAAs supplements are useless based on all the most current research. There is adequate BCAAs in dietary protein. Protein is also insulinogenic and nutrient and timing combining is largely irrelevant for all but the smallest percentage, <1%, of elite athletes.
OP you've gotten much great advice in this thread. It's really simple. Get adequate protein in a balanced diet and do resistance training. If you want to supplement protein, go ahead. Pick one with a good amino acid profile and one you like the taste. It doesn't matter if it's specifically for women. Protein is Protein and not gender specific. Some are more expensive and marketed to women but that is just marketing woo. And, as others have said, protein in the absence of resistance training doesn't build muscles by itself.
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... besides, the idea that you need to jack up insulin to induce muscle synthesis is a myth.
"As it turns out, this extra insulin boost from high-glycemic carbs is probably not necessary. While insulin is needed for protein synthesis, it seems that the low amounts stimulated by protein alone are sufficient for the creation of new muscle. In fact, the researchers found post-exercise insulin levels that were thirty times higher than resting insulin levels did not seem to affect protein synthesis."
References:
1. Vandré Figueiredo, et. al., “Is carbohydrate needed to further stimulate muscle protein synthesis/hypertrophy following resistance exercise,” Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition 2013, 10:42.2 -
Any protein will help repair muscle that has been broken down during exercise...if you don't lift enough times a week or use progressive overload you're wasting money taking it. It's not a magic powder.1
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jenkae1012 wrote: »If you want gains, getting in enough of the right nutrients at the right time is important, but as many has mentioned, a lot of it has to do with your weight lifting routine. If your a beginner at stregth/weight training, you first should focus on improving strength and endurance, then as a result of going heavier, muscle growth/toning slowly occurs.
Regarding the necessary nutrients - leucine, glutamine, creatine, protein (obviously) and what most people don't know is a high glycemic carbohydrate to add to your post workout protein shake - such as Maltodextrin, dextrose, waxy maize, etc.
A carb & protein shake with your BCAAs will aid in protein synthesis, recovery, and set the stage for muscle growth. The carbs help shuttle all the nutrients to where they need to go. If you don't include a hi-glycemic carb into your post workout shake, then unfortunately your body doesn't take in all the protein and amino acid nutrients and therefore all that hard work you just did in the gym isn't going to result in as much muscle growth as you'd expect.
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toning happens when you lose fat over exisiting muscle. weight lifting alone doesnt do that. and there is no need for a post workout protein shake or a need to add those ingredient either. you also dont need BCAAs. you can get what you need through food alone. so no2
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