Diet Drinks
Slowfaster
Posts: 186 Member
Just saw in the news that two diet drinks a day increases our risk of heart attack and stroke.
Here.
I decided, long ago, to quit drinking calories, not even healthy smoothies, because I just don't get as much satisfaction from calories I can't chew.
So now, I guess, I'm limited to black coffee, tea and water. Can't go wrong with water.
Here.
I decided, long ago, to quit drinking calories, not even healthy smoothies, because I just don't get as much satisfaction from calories I can't chew.
So now, I guess, I'm limited to black coffee, tea and water. Can't go wrong with water.
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Yeah no. Not clicking a sketchy link but nothing wrong with diet drinks. That has been debunked for a while now.13
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Well it's an article from cnn.
Their link to the study brings up the guidelines for arterial fibrillation and not whatever study they're basing it on. Shoddy science reporting has my vote.
ETA: not about to waste my time trying to find the original study. Until then, I call BS on that article. If they can't even properly link a study, then it's simply not worth my time.10 -
Slowfaster wrote: »Just saw in the news that two diet drinks a day increases our risk of heart attack and stroke.
Here.
I decided, long ago, to quit drinking calories, not even healthy smoothies, because I just don't get as much satisfaction from calories I can't chew.
So now, I guess, I'm limited to black coffee, tea and water. Can't go wrong with water.
And weight loss decreases those risks. And drinking diet drinks helps me adhere to my calories and lose weight. I think I'll stick to what's working.20 -
My local news mentioned this study this morning... usual scaremongering without context. However, I was pleasantly surprised that after the canned report the anchor stressed that the study did not say that it was a "cause" and was only a correlation.16
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I tried to find the original study yesterday but it was behind a pay wall that I wasn't willing to pay for...I'd like to see what their actual study methods were4
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The standouts to me were that it was based on self-reporting of consumption and this paragraph...
“There was no such stroke linkage to women who were of normal weight or overweight. Overweight is defined as having a body mass index of 25 to 30, while obesity is over 30”
I call fake news. It looks to me that obesity was a bigger factor.
That said, I reduced my diet soda consumption recently in an effort to drink more water. I definitely feel better. But my opinion is that if diet sodas help you stay in a calorie deficit and result in you moving from obese to overweight, that’s the smarter move.12 -
I tried to find the original study yesterday but it was behind a pay wall that I wasn't willing to pay for...I'd like to see what their actual study methods were
@kali31337
Do you have the link for me? I might be able to get behind the paywall using my university vpn.0 -
God I drink like 5-6 diet soda's a day, I should be stroking out any time now. I'm sure I'd be much better off if I still weighed 260 instead of 175. I hate BS clickbait like this.6
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The problem with so many of these studies is they look at all artificial sweeteners together. But they are all different chemical compounds, so why would they all have the same effect on the body? It makes no sense for it to be causal, so it has to be correlation. Which means it's probably not the artificial sweeteners, but something else about the majority of people who are choosing to drink two or more diet drinks per day.
I mean personally, I think all of these studies come back to two things: Obesity (people are trying to lose weight and do the one easy thing, switch to diet soda, without making meaningful progress) and people eating an atrocious diet and trying to "save" it by switching to diet soda.
Clickbait fear mongering, and artificial sweeteners are an easy target.8 -
I always post this when I see studies like this:
Solution to global warming? Need more pirates. Actually not.
They do studies like this to work towards narrowing down a cause, but the news always takes a snippet and says it's a cause, when it's not, and the study doesn't say it is.
I'll tell you if I die from diet sodas. At least it won't get sticky if I die with one in my hand.
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RelCanonical wrote: »I always post this when I see studies like this:
Solution to global warming? Need more pirates. Actually not.
They do studies like this to work towards narrowing down a cause, but the news always takes a snippet and says it's a cause, when it's not, and the study doesn't say it is.
I'll tell you if I die from diet sodas. At least it won't get sticky if I die with one in my hand.
the solution is ALWAYS more pirates10 -
The doctors who did the study even said that it didn’t prove causation.3
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A critique of this study.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/drinking-diet-soda-raise-risk-stroke-20170731121092 -
"While we cannot show causation, this is a yellow flag to pay attention to these findings,"
Quote from article in OP is all I need to know.5 -
I'm having a Cherry Coke Zero with lunch. YUM!4
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I'm surprised any of you are trying to lose weight! Aren't the studies linking obesity to cancer, heart disease and diabetes just so much bad science and fake news? Don't pirates cause those things?
I'm switching from diet coke to caramel milkshakes as my beverage of choice. In fact I already have and I'm still alive, so there's your proof that the reported "increased risk factor," is complete woo.
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Here is a critique of the most recent study. As usual the media gets it wrong.
https://www.acsh.org/news/2019/02/15/artificially-sweetened-beverages-new-health-hazard-not-so-fast-138192 -
RelCanonical wrote: »I always post this when I see studies like this:
Solution to global warming? Need more pirates. Actually not.
They do studies like this to work towards narrowing down a cause, but the news always takes a snippet and says it's a cause, when it's not, and the study doesn't say it is.
I'll tell you if I die from diet sodas. At least it won't get sticky if I die with one in my hand.
I have been thinking of making a career change and I do want to save the earth so anybody wanna go looting with me????3 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »Slowfaster wrote: »Just saw in the news that two diet drinks a day increases our risk of heart attack and stroke.
Here.
I decided, long ago, to quit drinking calories, not even healthy smoothies, because I just don't get as much satisfaction from calories I can't chew.
So now, I guess, I'm limited to black coffee, tea and water. Can't go wrong with water.
And weight loss decreases those risks. And drinking diet drinks helps me adhere to my calories and lose weight. I think I'll stick to what's working.
Yes! It's like smoking. Everyone is always going on about how bad it is for you, but it helps me lose weight. Also, not a single one of the people I know has developed lung cancer. Literally, these studies are ridiculous. If smoking and diet coke get me skinny - then those are healthy things! Duh! Just sad they don't make WOW chips any more. That was the true trifecta of weight loss - cigarettes, diet coke and WOW chips. I guess the woo finally got the chips. They'll pry the others out of our cold dead (not from cancer) hands - am I right or what?20 -
Also, just added this - I'm up to 142 and I feel miserable (thanks to trying to quit smoking because of the dumb woo). Feel free to add me if you are a diet soda addict. Sounds like this thread is my people!2
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estherdragonbat wrote: »Slowfaster wrote: »Just saw in the news that two diet drinks a day increases our risk of heart attack and stroke.
Here.
I decided, long ago, to quit drinking calories, not even healthy smoothies, because I just don't get as much satisfaction from calories I can't chew.
So now, I guess, I'm limited to black coffee, tea and water. Can't go wrong with water.
And weight loss decreases those risks. And drinking diet drinks helps me adhere to my calories and lose weight. I think I'll stick to what's working.
Yes! It's like smoking. Everyone is always going on about how bad it is for you, but it helps me lose weight. Also, not a single one of the people I know has developed lung cancer. Literally, these studies are ridiculous. If smoking and diet coke get me skinny - then those are healthy things! Duh! Just sad they don't make WOW chips any more. That was the true trifecta of weight loss - cigarettes, diet coke and WOW chips. I guess the woo finally got the chips. They'll pry the others out of our cold dead (not from cancer) hands - am I right or what?
No, it's really not like smoking. They've discovered that when they force-fed massive doses of artificial sweeteners to rats that spontaneously generate tumors 50% of the time, 50% of the time they developed tumors.
Diet drinks are neutral. No single food is healthy or unhealthy. EVERYTHING is toxic if you ingest enough of it.5 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »Slowfaster wrote: »Just saw in the news that two diet drinks a day increases our risk of heart attack and stroke.
Here.
I decided, long ago, to quit drinking calories, not even healthy smoothies, because I just don't get as much satisfaction from calories I can't chew.
So now, I guess, I'm limited to black coffee, tea and water. Can't go wrong with water.
And weight loss decreases those risks. And drinking diet drinks helps me adhere to my calories and lose weight. I think I'll stick to what's working.
Yes! It's like smoking. Everyone is always going on about how bad it is for you, but it helps me lose weight. Also, not a single one of the people I know has developed lung cancer. Literally, these studies are ridiculous. If smoking and diet coke get me skinny - then those are healthy things! Duh! Just sad they don't make WOW chips any more. That was the true trifecta of weight loss - cigarettes, diet coke and WOW chips. I guess the woo finally got the chips. They'll pry the others out of our cold dead (not from cancer) hands - am I right or what?
I know several people (family members/extended family etc) who smoked and now have/had lung or mouth cancer.
I know many more people who drink diet soda/use artificial sweeteners and none of them have ever had cancer/heart attacks etc.
I started drinking diet soda back when I started my weight loss phase. Lost a bunch of weight and improved all my health markers, including reversing pre-diabetes. Today I continue to use artificial sweetener several times a day and am approaching 6 years of maintaining the weight loss and better health markers-including continued normal glucose readings.
Diet soda/a.s. is one of the tools in my weight & health management plan.
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estherdragonbat wrote: »Slowfaster wrote: »Just saw in the news that two diet drinks a day increases our risk of heart attack and stroke.
Here.
I decided, long ago, to quit drinking calories, not even healthy smoothies, because I just don't get as much satisfaction from calories I can't chew.
So now, I guess, I'm limited to black coffee, tea and water. Can't go wrong with water.
And weight loss decreases those risks. And drinking diet drinks helps me adhere to my calories and lose weight. I think I'll stick to what's working.
Yes! It's like smoking. Everyone is always going on about how bad it is for you, but it helps me lose weight. Also, not a single one of the people I know has developed lung cancer. Literally, these studies are ridiculous. If smoking and diet coke get me skinny - then those are healthy things! Duh! Just sad they don't make WOW chips any more. That was the true trifecta of weight loss - cigarettes, diet coke and WOW chips. I guess the woo finally got the chips. They'll pry the others out of our cold dead (not from cancer) hands - am I right or what?
What? No... just no. :noway:2 -
I know several people (family members/extended family etc) who smoked and now have/had lung or mouth cancer.
I know many more people who drink diet soda/use artificial sweeteners and none of them have ever had cancer/heart attacks etc.
I started drinking diet soda back when I started my weight loss phase. Lost a bunch of weight and improved all my health markers, including reversing pre-diabetes. Today I continue to use artificial sweetener several times a day and am approaching 6 years of maintaining the weight loss and better health markers-including continued normal glucose readings.
Diet soda/a.s. is one of the tools in my weight & health management plan.
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I should have said, I started up again VAPING. So, it's legitimately healthy. Just steam, no smoke. it's water vapor - so try to find a way to make that unhealthy.
You should try vaping it's the nicotine that helps, not the smoke! You don't get lung cancer then, it's perfectly safe. You would be surprised how much it could help your weight loss. It can completely be a safe and great choice for you with your diet soda. No studies show vaping is bad (or, if they pretend to it's like the rat study cited above - I'm a person, not a rat, LOL)13 -
I know several people (family members/extended family etc) who smoked and now have/had lung or mouth cancer.
I know many more people who drink diet soda/use artificial sweeteners and none of them have ever had cancer/heart attacks etc.
I started drinking diet soda back when I started my weight loss phase. Lost a bunch of weight and improved all my health markers, including reversing pre-diabetes. Today I continue to use artificial sweetener several times a day and am approaching 6 years of maintaining the weight loss and better health markers-including continued normal glucose readings.
Diet soda/a.s. is one of the tools in my weight & health management plan.
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I should have said, I started up again VAPING. So, it's legitimately healthy. Just steam, no smoke. it's water vapor - so try to find a way to make that unhealthy.
You should try vaping it's the nicotine that helps, not the smoke! You don't get lung cancer then, it's perfectly safe. You would be surprised how much it could help your weight loss. It can completely be a safe and great choice for you with your diet soda. No studies show vaping is bad (or, if they pretend to it's like the rat study cited above - I'm a person, not a rat, LOL)
Except that research is showing that inhaling nicotine into your lungs can still be harmful, regardless of whether you smoke or vape.3 -
Follow SciBabe on Facebook. She is a scientist who has debunked this many, many times.2
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estherdragonbat wrote: »Slowfaster wrote: »Just saw in the news that two diet drinks a day increases our risk of heart attack and stroke.
Here.
I decided, long ago, to quit drinking calories, not even healthy smoothies, because I just don't get as much satisfaction from calories I can't chew.
So now, I guess, I'm limited to black coffee, tea and water. Can't go wrong with water.
And weight loss decreases those risks. And drinking diet drinks helps me adhere to my calories and lose weight. I think I'll stick to what's working.
Yes! It's like smoking. Everyone is always going on about how bad it is for you, but it helps me lose weight. Also, not a single one of the people I know has developed lung cancer. Literally, these studies are ridiculous. If smoking and diet coke get me skinny - then those are healthy things! Duh! Just sad they don't make WOW chips any more. That was the true trifecta of weight loss - cigarettes, diet coke and WOW chips. I guess the woo finally got the chips. They'll pry the others out of our cold dead (not from cancer) hands - am I right or what?
What?!?
My mom died of lung cancer, the type that is generally associated with smoking. She smoked pretty much all her life. And yes, there is a lot of conclusive research that smoking causes lung cancer. 5 -
Rubbish reporting. I have to admit that if I drink soda, diet or not then my diet is much more unhinged in general. I don't think it's something within those drinks but just a mindset issue.3
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