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My previous eating disorder and ocpd make me ridiculously accurate at logging. I don’t drink soda, use fake sweeteners or eat much meat. With the exception of alcohol and coffee with milk and sugar, I only drink water and unsweetened tea. I don’t chew gum. I log candy. I eat the same meals over and over. Generally I have a Greek yogurt, banana or skip breakfast. I eat lots of chick fil a Cobb salads with nuggets and no dressing. Sometimes I have two of day with a Greek yogurt for breakfast. That with my yougurt and coffee is 1200 calories...11
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I eat the same as I always have and gained the weight. You can see on my progress chart the steady climb.
I showed my doctor. He did agree that it does appear to be a steady 50 lb gain every time I get an iud and a 50 lb decrease when it expires.
He tested my hormones and said it was all normal so he does not see how the iud causes it.
I am 40 and not yet menopausal. I don’t want to take chances on an unwanted pregnancy. We struggled with finding birth control that prevented pregnancy. The iud works in that area
Yay, another doctor who treats the labs and not the patient! Yay!
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Seriously, get a Paragard IUD then. The Paragard was here before the Mirena and it works, just no progestin like the Mirena. You'll likely have heavier bleeding, longer bleeding, and uterine cramping with but there will be no exogenous hormones to argue with such a MD/DO if they are/are not affecting you systemically.
He will balk because of the cost of the IUD in removing it/replacing it, but it's really not his choice. Go to a Planned Parenthood if you have to for removal if he continues to refuse, and you won't fire him over it, and you are not comfortable removing yourself to force the replacement without his input.
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Since you have previously had an eating disorder it would be advisable to talk to your treatment team about safe strategies before moving forward with your weight loss goals. They may advise you against calorie counting and come up with a strategy to ensure you get proper nutrition while slowly working toward your goals.12
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My previous eating disorder and ocpd make me ridiculously accurate at logging. I don’t drink soda, use fake sweeteners or eat much meat. With the exception of alcohol and coffee with milk and sugar, I only drink water and unsweetened tea. I don’t chew gum. I log candy. I eat the same meals over and over. Generally I have a Greek yogurt, banana or skip breakfast. I eat lots of chick fil a Cobb salads with nuggets and no dressing. Sometimes I have two of day with a Greek yogurt for breakfast. That with my yougurt and coffee is 1200 calories...
The one thing I see in what ou say here is the bit about eating lots of food from one specific restaurant.
Is it possible that the person who makes the salads has changed since the last time you needed to lose weight? restaurant calorie counts are notoriously inaccurate, and something like a salad, where things are piled into a bowl, is a prime place for there to be an error in counting that could affect your outcomes if you eat there regularly. There are a number of ingredients in that salad that could cause a big swing in calories with just a slightly more generous hand in composition (cheese, bacon, etc).10 -
My previous eating disorder and ocpd make me ridiculously accurate at logging. I don’t drink soda, use fake sweeteners or eat much meat. With the exception of alcohol and coffee with milk and sugar, I only drink water and unsweetened tea. I don’t chew gum. I log candy. I eat the same meals over and over. Generally I have a Greek yogurt, banana or skip breakfast. I eat lots of chick fil a Cobb salads with nuggets and no dressing. Sometimes I have two of day with a Greek yogurt for breakfast. That with my yougurt and coffee is 1200 calories...
The one thing I see in what ou say here is the bit about eating lots of food from one specific restaurant.
Is it possible that the person who makes the salads has changed since the last time you needed to lose weight? restaurant calorie counts are notoriously inaccurate, and something like a salad, where things are piled into a bowl, is a prime place for there to be an error in counting that could affect your outcomes if you eat there regularly. There are a number of ingredients in that salad that could cause a big swing in calories with just a slightly more generous hand in composition (cheese, bacon, etc).
Agreed. Nobody can say they are fully confident in their logging if they eat takeout a lot, especially twice per day. The salad is 550 calories according to the site but can be a lot more than that depending on who makes it. I had an Amy's Organic cashew noodle bowl last week. The nutritional facts said 480 calories but by weight it was actually 610 calories. There really is that much variance.12 -
And eatery staff tend to be especially (and unhelpfully) generous towards regulars who they like.12
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My previous eating disorder and ocpd make me ridiculously accurate at logging. I don’t drink soda, use fake sweeteners or eat much meat. With the exception of alcohol and coffee with milk and sugar, I only drink water and unsweetened tea. I don’t chew gum. I log candy. I eat the same meals over and over. Generally I have a Greek yogurt, banana or skip breakfast. I eat lots of chick fil a Cobb salads with nuggets and no dressing. Sometimes I have two of day with a Greek yogurt for breakfast. That with my yougurt and coffee is 1200 calories...
Typically, out of frustration, posters who have stated the same thing become defiant against feedback and suggestions. Do yourself a huge favor and ask yourself, do you REALLY want to see what’s going on here, then apply the methods that have proven time and time again to be effective. It is impossible to gain weight/fat in a deficit. Period. Get a food scale and weigh everything in grams for 2 weeks. It doesn’t matter how much you eat, it matters the quantity of the calories. Someone can eat 1 cheesecake slice a day and nothing else and gain weight if it’s from the Cheesecake Factory. Don’t let your little quantities fool you. I repeat, weigh your food on a food scale and log everything. That way you can see for yourself what is happening physiologically.21 -
@Libby283 you are sort of trying to argue this both ways.
If you are convinced that it is your IUD and not your energy balance and your logging that are holding you back, then concentrating on everything else other than the IUD is a bit of a waste of time in terms of getting the best results for your particular situation, right?15 -
My previous eating disorder and ocpd make me ridiculously accurate at logging. I don’t drink soda, use fake sweeteners or eat much meat. With the exception of alcohol and coffee with milk and sugar, I only drink water and unsweetened tea. I don’t chew gum. I log candy. I eat the same meals over and over. Generally I have a Greek yogurt, banana or skip breakfast. I eat lots of chick fil a Cobb salads with nuggets and no dressing. Sometimes I have two of day with a Greek yogurt for breakfast. That with my yougurt and coffee is 1200 calories...
Hmm... I would say the food choices you make might be not that great if you try to fit into 1200 a day. Bananas are healthy, but notoriously high in calories and will not fill you up for long. Eating an omelet made out of 2 eggs with some white mushrooms and onions and a spoonful of tomato passata on top would keep you satisfied till lunch and rake in less calories than banana+ yogurt. Chick fil a Cobb salad supposed to come to around 430 calories, replacing that with a home made big bowl of salad (lettuce, tomato, cucumber, raw red pepper and a spoonful of sour cream) or lots of steamed or roasted low calorie veg + a 100g of meat or fish would come in at a less than 350 calories. Alcohol is another high calorie "food" that has no nutritional benefit, as well as acting as an appetite stimulant. If you did calorie cycling, then on high calorie days it is a treat, however on 1200 a day that is not a healthy choice.
This is not a criticism, just my opinion
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grinning_chick wrote: »I eat the same as I always have and gained the weight. You can see on my progress chart the steady climb.
I showed my doctor. He did agree that it does appear to be a steady 50 lb gain every time I get an iud and a 50 lb decrease when it expires.
He tested my hormones and said it was all normal so he does not see how the iud causes it.
I am 40 and not yet menopausal. I don’t want to take chances on an unwanted pregnancy. We struggled with finding birth control that prevented pregnancy. The iud works in that area
Yay, another doctor who treats the labs and not the patient! Yay!
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Seriously, get a Paragard IUD then. The Paragard was here before the Mirena and it works, just no progestin like the Mirena. You'll likely have heavier bleeding, longer bleeding, and uterine cramping with but there will be no exogenous hormones to argue with such a MD/DO if they are/are not affecting you systemically.
He will balk because of the cost of the IUD in removing it/replacing it, but it's really not his choice. Go to a Planned Parenthood if you have to for removal if he continues to refuse, and you won't fire him over it, and you are not comfortable removing yourself to force the replacement without his input.
The price shouldn't be an issue, as those will last 10 years. I think, I went through 4 of this type in 30 years, and never had a problem, especially not with weight gain. (I blame my chocolate addiction for a few pounds off and on.) However, they work with a copper layer, and if there is a sensitivty to copper, then there might be an issue. Never make an attempt to remove those yourself, though. Bad idea and worse advise. Also, removal and not having an immediate replacement means no protection. That's probably not the idea of the exercise..1 -
My previous eating disorder and ocpd make me ridiculously accurate at logging. I don’t drink soda, use fake sweeteners or eat much meat. With the exception of alcohol and coffee with milk and sugar, I only drink water and unsweetened tea. I don’t chew gum. I log candy. I eat the same meals over and over. Generally I have a Greek yogurt, banana or skip breakfast. I eat lots of chick fil a Cobb salads with nuggets and no dressing. Sometimes I have two of day with a Greek yogurt for breakfast. That with my yougurt and coffee is 1200 calories...
Calories are what matter for weight loss. It doesn't matter what you drink, whether you chew gum, whether you skip breakfast, etc. It doesn't matter what specific foods those calories come from. All that matters is making sure that you are consistently in a calorie deficit.
You state that you frequently eat food that you did not prepare yourself. This means you don't know how many calories are in that food. The portion you're served is often significantly larger than the portion used to calculate the nutrition information on the website. Having a logging error every now and then is not a problem, but when you are frequently estimating your calories rather than being able to weigh and log accurately, those errors can add up very fast. And when you are talking about fried food like chicken nuggets, a small variation in portion size can mean a substantial increase in calories.
Bottom line is that it is extremely likely you're eating well over 1200 calories on a regular basis.15 -
My previous eating disorder and ocpd make me ridiculously accurate at logging. I don’t drink soda, use fake sweeteners or eat much meat. With the exception of alcohol and coffee with milk and sugar, I only drink water and unsweetened tea. I don’t chew gum. I log candy. I eat the same meals over and over. Generally I have a Greek yogurt, banana or skip breakfast. I eat lots of chick fil a Cobb salads with nuggets and no dressing. Sometimes I have two of day with a Greek yogurt for breakfast. That with my yougurt and coffee is 1200 calories...
You are not the first person to come through here convinced you are logging correctly and also convinced you have a problem with a more complicated answer than just eating more than you realize. I really don't know the answer for you but I do have an observation.
That salad you are eating could easily be double the calories you think it is. There is not an employee in the back very carefully weighing all the ingredients to make sure the salad is consistent. More likely there is no measuring going on at all and you are getting handfuls of ingredients.
I don't mind getting a big salad from somewhere and even recording the calories from a website on occasion. I do not, however, trust any salad over 150 calories from a restaurant to be a regular part of my plan.12 -
Do you strength train? Maybe having some muscle mass will help your metabolism?3
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Do you strength train? Maybe having some muscle mass will help your metabolism?
The OP has stated elsewhere that she has no desire to build muscle. However, given her current stats, if she were truly eating 1200 calories a day she would be losing weight. Now that she's mentioned eating take out salads very frequently, that's probably the issue and not her metabolism.
OP, you cannot claim to be logging accurately if you're eating out. You just can't. Start making your own salads with similar ingredients - you can prep a bunch in advance to take with you to work or whatever during the week. It'll save you money and you'll have complete control over the ingredients - if you weigh and log everything accurately. I'm willing to bet you'll start to see some progress if you cut out the Chick Fil A meals.15 -
My previous eating disorder and ocpd make me ridiculously accurate at logging. I don’t drink soda, use fake sweeteners or eat much meat. With the exception of alcohol and coffee with milk and sugar, I only drink water and unsweetened tea. I don’t chew gum. I log candy. I eat the same meals over and over. Generally I have a Greek yogurt, banana or skip breakfast. I eat lots of chick fil a Cobb salads with nuggets and no dressing. Sometimes I have two of day with a Greek yogurt for breakfast. That with my yougurt and coffee is 1200 calories...
Just as a follow up, to show you how you're contradicting yourself... the two bolded statements are at odds. You cannot possibly be "ridiculously accurate" if you're eating a lot of take out food. You can't trust restaurant nutrition info for something you're eating on a regular basis, every person will make it differently and like someone said above, the ingredients are most likely not weighed.11 -
rheddmobile wrote: »On another thread several people were discussing weight gain with IUDs. Whatever causes it, these were long time MFP users who had no trouble maintaining until they got the IUD, gained a noticeable amount of weight in a short time, then lost it without difficulty when it was removed. For some a different variety of IUD did not cause the weight gain. Some felt they were eating more because the hormones made them constantly hungry, others felt they were eating as before but gaining weight, but regardless, getting rid of the IUD solved the problem. So if you do feel this is the cause of your issues, it may be worth exploring other birth control.
Thanks for sharing this. It just dawned on me my Mirena could be why I'm always hungry and why I'm steadily gaining over time. I always figured the fault was mine, even though I weigh and log everything down to my vitamins. It was so frustrating that I kinda gave up for a while. When you keep hearing CICO is the end all be all, it's easy to overlook other causes.7 -
I think if I were you I would bring my logs to a dietitian or nutritionist and talk to her/him about this issue. Especially given a history of an eating disorder, professional advice is warranted!7
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Do you strength train? Maybe having some muscle mass will help your metabolism?
The OP has stated elsewhere that she has no desire to build muscle. However, given her current stats, if she were truly eating 1200 calories a day she would be losing weight. Now that she's mentioned eating take out salads very frequently, that's probably the issue and not her metabolism.
OP, you cannot claim to be logging accurately if you're eating out. You just can't. Start making your own salads with similar ingredients - you can prep a bunch in advance to take with you to work or whatever during the week. It'll save you money and you'll have complete control over the ingredients - if you weigh and log everything accurately. I'm willing to bet you'll start to see some progress if you cut out the Chick Fil A meals.
Actually I did see that after I posted. She doesn't want to build "nasty" muscles
Each to their own I suppose...
I agree also re the 1,200 calories. People tend to underestimate the calories consumed and overestimate calories burned.6 -
New_Heavens_Earth wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »On another thread several people were discussing weight gain with IUDs. Whatever causes it, these were long time MFP users who had no trouble maintaining until they got the IUD, gained a noticeable amount of weight in a short time, then lost it without difficulty when it was removed. For some a different variety of IUD did not cause the weight gain. Some felt they were eating more because the hormones made them constantly hungry, others felt they were eating as before but gaining weight, but regardless, getting rid of the IUD solved the problem. So if you do feel this is the cause of your issues, it may be worth exploring other birth control.
Thanks for sharing this. It just dawned on me my Mirena could be why I'm always hungry and why I'm steadily gaining over time. I always figured the fault was mine, even though I weigh and log everything down to my vitamins. It was so frustrating that I kinda gave up for a while. When you keep hearing CICO is the end all be all, it's easy to overlook other causes.
The OP stated her age before. Should she opt for something like Paraguard, and it works for her, she'll have a real winner. The way this works is, that for women in their 40s, a new one of these will likely be the very last one they'll ever need. Statistically, when it's 10 years are up, it will not likely be 'needed' considering the woman's age, and it'll just stay in until post menopause. I'm guessing, doctors don't make as much money on it.... My niece had the same weight gain issues with the Mirena. Hormones made her hungry as well. Her body didn't cope with the copper, and she found an entirely different option, involving her hubby. Snip...4 -
New_Heavens_Earth wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »On another thread several people were discussing weight gain with IUDs. Whatever causes it, these were long time MFP users who had no trouble maintaining until they got the IUD, gained a noticeable amount of weight in a short time, then lost it without difficulty when it was removed. For some a different variety of IUD did not cause the weight gain. Some felt they were eating more because the hormones made them constantly hungry, others felt they were eating as before but gaining weight, but regardless, getting rid of the IUD solved the problem. So if you do feel this is the cause of your issues, it may be worth exploring other birth control.
Thanks for sharing this. It just dawned on me my Mirena could be why I'm always hungry and why I'm steadily gaining over time. I always figured the fault was mine, even though I weigh and log everything down to my vitamins. It was so frustrating that I kinda gave up for a while. When you keep hearing CICO is the end all be all, it's easy to overlook other causes.
I’m sorry to be the barer of bad news but birth control is and cannot be literal reason for your weight gain. Only a surplus of calories. However, it can explain water retention and hunger. But many people with this knowledge have maintained and lost weight knowing how to accurately log their food with a scale. Try not to be defeated by this, but empowered instead.14
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