Basmati Rice/Bread
thelandkraken
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I was trying to get my carbs down by replacing the rice I have with meals (such as curry etc) with things like cauliflower rice. I do like these taste wise, but none of them fill me up and I'm ravenous only an hour or so later. But if I eat the portion of rice (weighed out), it fills me up for hours. This is the same as if I have a giant salad instead of a sandwich for lunch, the first doesn't fill me up and the second does.
Is it really a bad thing to eat rice and bread most days to lose weight? I've been told that I need to not eat these things because I have PCOS, but I find it so hard to eat to calorie goal without them.
Is it really a bad thing to eat rice and bread most days to lose weight? I've been told that I need to not eat these things because I have PCOS, but I find it so hard to eat to calorie goal without them.
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Starchy carbs are the most filling foods for me - what is most satiating is very varied and personal though.
No it's not bad to eat foods you enjoy and fill you up while losing weight, both aspects are likely positive for your long term adherence.
Are you planning on eating bread and rice when you get to goal weight? If the answer is yes then learning to moderate your portions is a great lesson to learn while losing your excess weight.6 -
thelandkraken wrote: »I was trying to get my carbs down by replacing the rice I have with meals (such as curry etc) with things like cauliflower rice. I do like these taste wise, but none of them fill me up and I'm ravenous only an hour or so later. But if I eat the portion of rice (weighed out), it fills me up for hours. This is the same as if I have a giant salad instead of a sandwich for lunch, the first doesn't fill me up and the second does.
Is it really a bad thing to eat rice and bread most days to lose weight? I've been told that I need to not eat these things because I have PCOS, but I find it so hard to eat to calorie goal without them.
My wife has PCOS, and while it is generally recommended that lower carbs can be beneficial to people with PCOS (she was reommeneded this by a registered dietician who specializes in PCOS) , especially because a lot of them also have insulin resistance, cutting out carbs completely certainly isn't necessary.
She has been losing weight the same way as everyone else, by taking in less calories than she burns. She does moderate carbs somewhat as part of we diet, but she still eats bread, rice, and pasta.
Basmati Rice is a low GI food compared to other rices, and would be a good fit for a PCOS diet. Same with whole wheat/multi grain bread. If they are helping to keep you full, you can definitely keep in corporating them in your diet.
I've stressed to my wife the importance of making her carbs count. Meaning that it's okay to have carbs but spending them more valuable on lower GI foods like grains or on fruits, beans, and vegetables, rather than filling herself with sweets and snacks. This has seemed to work for her. She still has carbs, but she does moderate them compared to before.
But ultimately, losing weight on PCOS comes down to a calorie deficit, same as everyone else. Sometimes you may need to adjust your intake lower than your designated calorie goal, since women with PCOS can sometimes have lower BMR than women without PCOS. You can adjust for yourself after yuu have had some observation. But I wouldn't but cutting out foods that keep you full simply because they have carbs.
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If you've cut your carbs, have you increased fat ?0
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One interesting thing I learned from a trainer about carbs is only eat them if you need fuel. If you are going to be sitting at your desk or on the couch watching tv right after, then that’s not a good time to eat them. Their purpose is for energy and if you don’t se that energy then they are stored.13
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thelandkraken wrote: »I was trying to get my carbs down by replacing the rice I have with meals (such as curry etc) with things like cauliflower rice. I do like these taste wise, but none of them fill me up and I'm ravenous only an hour or so later. But if I eat the portion of rice (weighed out), it fills me up for hours. This is the same as if I have a giant salad instead of a sandwich for lunch, the first doesn't fill me up and the second does.
Is it really a bad thing to eat rice and bread most days to lose weight? I've been told that I need to not eat these things because I have PCOS, but I find it so hard to eat to calorie goal without them.
To meet your calorie goal after decreasing carbs, increase the other macros. Make sure you are going to hit your protein goal first, and then fill the rest with fat.
Many women do find decreasing carbs helps with PCOS, but this is not universally true. You could also try reducing carbs by having half rice and have cauliflower. Here's a recent thread on veggie/starches combos: https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10735491/veggie-bulk-to-rice-pasta/p11 -
joannegustyn1971 wrote: »One interesting thing I learned from a trainer about carbs is only eat them if you need fuel. If you are going to be sitting at your desk or on the couch watching tv right after, then that’s not a good time to eat them. Their purpose is for energy and if you don’t se that energy then they are stored.
The thing with trainers is they are experts (hopefully) in the mechanical body but nutrition not necessarily. This sounds like some fuzzy understanding of glycogen stores.
OP - you should eat what makes you feel good and feel full while staying within you calorie goal. Just because some PCOS cases are aggravated by some foods doesn't mean you will be. Cut back if you have an adverse reaction, until then, enjoy.4 -
kshama2001 wrote: »thelandkraken wrote: »I was trying to get my carbs down by replacing the rice I have with meals (such as curry etc) with things like cauliflower rice. I do like these taste wise, but none of them fill me up and I'm ravenous only an hour or so later. But if I eat the portion of rice (weighed out), it fills me up for hours. This is the same as if I have a giant salad instead of a sandwich for lunch, the first doesn't fill me up and the second does.
Is it really a bad thing to eat rice and bread most days to lose weight? I've been told that I need to not eat these things because I have PCOS, but I find it so hard to eat to calorie goal without them.
To meet your calorie goal after decreasing carbs, increase the other macros. Make sure you are going to hit your protein goal first, and then fill the rest with fat.
Many women do find decreasing carbs helps with PCOS, but this is not universally true. You could also try reducing carbs by having half rice and have cauliflower. Here's a recent thread on veggie/starches combos: https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10735491/veggie-bulk-to-rice-pasta/p1
Maybe I misread, but I took "so hard to eat to calorie goal without them" to mean that without eating these things, she has trouble keeping within her calorie goal. Otherwise she will overeat it. I'm going off of her saying that rice and bread help her feel a lot more full than eating other things. That would indicate that they help control cravings and restrict calorie consumption.
I agree the wording is a bit ambiguous though. OP - do you mean that eating carbs helps prevent you from over eating your goal, or do you mean that without eating carbs, you do not eat enough calories?3 -
I'm right there with you. When I cut out carbs I have seriously intense cravings and end up binging. I have found that with PCOS I have to lower my calorie goal below the recommended as I'm simply maintaining weight on the recommended weight loss goal. If I lower it even 100 or 200 below that I start seeing weight loss, even with keeping sugar and carbs (in moderate portions) in my diet on a regular basis. I'm working on finding a daily diet that I can stick with even once I've reached my goal weight so cutting any kind of food is strictly a no go. Switch to smarter carbs (basmati rice is a great choice and whole wheat/grain breads, natural sugars from fruit that comes with other nutrients etc...).1
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joannegustyn1971 wrote: »One interesting thing I learned from a trainer about carbs is only eat them if you need fuel. If you are going to be sitting at your desk or on the couch watching tv right after, then that’s not a good time to eat them. Their purpose is for energy and if you don’t se that energy then they are stored.
One interesting thing I learned is that trainers may (or may not) know something about exercise but very few know much about nutrition as it's not part of their education as a rule.
But there's a sizeable proportion of trainers that spout the most awful garbage - just like the advice above. Sorry but it's totally ridiculous.3 -
I also have PCOS and was told that I'm insulin resistant, even placed on metformin at one point.
I have tried low carb diets in the past and learned that those diets are not sustainable for me. Today I eat a diet that is 60% carbs. My diet is mainly vegetables, fruit and grains along with some dairy and a bit of fish. I am losing weight as expected and actually have the best energy levels of possibly my lifetime.
I guess my point is that some trial and error worked well for me and that it isn't always necessary to cut out the foods that you love.3 -
joannegustyn1971 wrote: »One interesting thing I learned from a trainer about carbs is only eat them if you need fuel. If you are going to be sitting at your desk or on the couch watching tv right after, then that’s not a good time to eat them. Their purpose is for energy and if you don’t se that energy then they are stored.
We're using energy all the time though, even when we're sitting on the couch. We shouldn't eat calories in excess of our needs (of any type, because that is what causes weight gain). But it's okay to have some rice or bread even if you aren't immediately about to work out.
Another cool fact is that our body is capable of storing some carbohydrates for energy. So if you have bread for dinner, go right to bed, and then workout the next morning, your body can access that energy.
Even if you aren't active, eating some carbohydrates within your calorie goals isn't going to be a problem. Your body can't store carbohydrates as fat if you're not eating more than you need.5 -
joannegustyn1971 wrote: »One interesting thing I learned from a trainer about carbs is only eat them if you need fuel. If you are going to be sitting at your desk or on the couch watching tv right after, then that’s not a good time to eat them. Their purpose is for energy and if you don’t se that energy then they are stored.
On Friday I will eat lots of carbs and my calories to maintenance... Friday is a rest day. I deliberately want to store those carbs for Saturday's long run.
If you're eating at a deficit, it doesn't matter when you're eating carbs.4 -
joannegustyn1971 wrote: »One interesting thing I learned from a trainer about carbs is only eat them if you need fuel. If you are going to be sitting at your desk or on the couch watching tv right after, then that’s not a good time to eat them. Their purpose is for energy and if you don’t se that energy then they are stored.
Carbs aren't readily stored as fat. Beyond that, you're not going to store fat unless you are in a calorie surplus. Your body is also using energy all of the time, even when sitting. My BMR is around 1800 calories...I burn that in a day in a coma.3 -
Any time you’re eating more calories than your body needs, that energy can be stored as fat. This is true regardless of what macros the calories came from. There’s nothing magical about carbs that makes their energy get stored as fat more readily than energy from other sources.2
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Hi all thanks for your advice so far.
I’m sorry for the ambiguous wording, I did mean that if I eat less carbs then I tend to binge and go way over calorie goal, whereas eating rice and bread controls cravings.
I have tried increasing various other macros (protein, fat, etc) but it doesn’t seem to make a difference to satiety. For example, I can eat a whole cauliflower and be hungry in 30 mins. But 40g of rice will keep me fill for a few hours.2 -
thelandkraken wrote: »Hi all thanks for your advice so far.
I’m sorry for the ambiguous wording, I did mean that if I eat less carbs then I tend to binge and go way over calorie goal, whereas eating rice and bread controls cravings.
I have tried increasing various other macros (protein, fat, etc) but it doesn’t seem to make a difference to satiety. For example, I can eat a whole cauliflower and be hungry in 30 mins. But 40g of rice will keep me fill for a few hours.
Then you should eat the rice unless you have been diagnosed with diabetes or have another medical reason not to eat it. You can lose weight perfectly well with PCOS while eating carbs. I lost 100 pounds, have maintained for over a year and a half, and my macros are on average near the MFP defaults (50% carbs).4
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