Keto, fun, but unsustainable
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ultra_violets wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »I wouldn't try a cult diet.
Who says it's a "cult" diet? Pretty dismissive of a way of eating that many people find satisfying and sustainable, especially type 2 diabetics like me.
At the moment, it does have a pretty cult like following much like paleo and primal had 5 years ago. All one needs to do is follow social media and see that it's all the rave right now whether people have medical conditions or not. Tons of unsubstantiated claims coming out of the wood work as well by people trying to sell books and whatnot...cure for cancer and a bunch of other outlandish stuff.6 -
ultra_violets wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »I wouldn't try a cult diet.
Who says it's a "cult" diet? Pretty dismissive of a way of eating that many people find satisfying and sustainable, especially type 2 diabetics like me.
It is turning into a cult, which I can't stand. Anytime its in the media and every supplement company start try to make money off of it, it heads down the "cult" road.
However i'm willing to bet that 90-95% of the people on here claiming "I'm keto" are truly not in ketosis. They maybe think they are keto, but they are really low carb/high fat, which isn't bad per say. People just need to figure out what eating style works best for THEM and their lifestyle and stop looking for a quick fix.0 -
Keto and fun don't seem like they should ever be in the same sentence. I don't understand why people subject themselves to it. When I hear someone going on keto I'm just like ".... but why?"5
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Fun? Fun isn't something one considers when balancing scales, but carbs do put a smile on my face.2
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WillYammer wrote: »Yeah, I wanted to give it at least 4 weeks. I really missed the carbs. Sweet potatoes, bananas, berries, tacos, and on and on. Hats off to anyone who can sustain keto!
There are SO many recipes that get you close to what you like. If you're not into experimenting (or lazy), keto is not for you. It's more of a lifestyle than a diet. What are you looking to do? Lose weight? If so, then low carbs, no sugar (all the things you mentioned are turned into sugar by our bodies) is the way to go.
I'm having fun with it. Turns out I like cooking up things that people can't believe are keto/low carb. Two months in and I'm halfway to my 3-inch waist reduction goal.
That literally makes no sense to me.
If you eat carbs you can have every single recipe on the planet not just the much smaller subset of recipes that virtually eliminate carbs. That sounds like fun to me, restriction is the opposite of fun in my experience.
It would make more sense (but still very, very little sense!) to restrict dietary fat as it's fat not carbs that gets stored as body fat.
I don't want diet (noun or verb) to be a "lifestyle", that just sounds obsessive.6 -
Over the years, I've been an experimenter testing the waters of various ways of eating. I did the low fat thing many moons ago, briefly played with the Mediterranean Diet 40-30-30 before losing interest, intermittent fasting and more recently OMAD. But, I've never tried Keto because knowing myself, it would be dead upon arrival. The comments by many who tried and abandoned ship confirms my choice of not giving it a try. But, I commend those who tried because they are better having had the experience. Self-discovery is a better teacher than reading some article or what some other person said.1
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Lol yea it’s tough. I’m on day 10 and have lost 5 of 30 so far but it’s challenging. I don’t like how much I think about food and what I can or can’t eat on this diet. I’m ocd so i overthink it.
I can see this being more of a lifestyle and something that gives pride in away .
For me it gives strict rules to follow instead of trusting myself to make my own🙄.
I once I lose the 30 pounds I’m just gonna eat healthier but not Keto probably . But who knows .GL to all . I know I need it lol
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just_Tomek wrote: »If it losing/gaining/maintaining weight wasnt all about calorie CICO sure keto would be fun. Ohhhh lord soooo much fun. But because you still have to count on keto, no way would this be fun.
You have to count calories for any weight loss in my experience - I find with keto WOE I feel fuller on less food. If I eat processed carbs like bread and pasta, I get hungry much sooner than snacking on cheese and ham. We're all different; I am just happy I have found something that works for me.5 -
You have to find what works for you! Good luck on your journey.0
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WillYammer wrote: »Yeah, I wanted to give it at least 4 weeks. I really missed the carbs. Sweet potatoes, bananas, berries, tacos, and on and on. Hats off to anyone who can sustain keto!
There are SO many recipes that get you close to what you like. If you're not into experimenting (or lazy), keto is not for you. It's more of a lifestyle than a diet. What are you looking to do? Lose weight? If so, then low carbs, no sugar (all the things you mentioned are turned into sugar by our bodies) is the way to go.
I'm having fun with it. Turns out I like cooking up things that people can't believe are keto/low carb. Two months in and I'm halfway to my 3-inch waist reduction goal.
Just as an FYI, proteins and fats can turn into sugar via gluconeogenesis. Your body needs a certain level of glucose. And if you don't consume it, it will convert other things into it.5 -
WillYammer wrote: »Yeah, I wanted to give it at least 4 weeks. I really missed the carbs. Sweet potatoes, bananas, berries, tacos, and on and on. Hats off to anyone who can sustain keto!
There are SO many recipes that get you close to what you like. If you're not into experimenting (or lazy), keto is not for you. It's more of a lifestyle than a diet. What are you looking to do? Lose weight? If so, then low carbs, no sugar (all the things you mentioned are turned into sugar by our bodies) is the way to go.
I'm having fun with it. Turns out I like cooking up things that people can't believe are keto/low carb. Two months in and I'm halfway to my 3-inch waist reduction goal.
That literally makes no sense to me.
If you eat carbs you can have every single recipe on the planet not just the much smaller subset of recipes that virtually eliminate carbs. That sounds like fun to me, restriction is the opposite of fun in my experience.
It would make more sense (but still very, very little sense!) to restrict dietary fat as it's fat not carbs that gets stored as body fat.
I don't want diet (noun or verb) to be a "lifestyle", that just sounds obsessive.
Sometimes you have to be "obsessive" if you want to live. I wouldn't recommend keto for someone who has 20 pounds to lose and is otherwise healthy. For someone like me, who is over 100 pounds overweight and a type 2 diabetic as well as a food addict, it's saving my life. It's dropped my blood sugar over 200 points and saved me from having to add a second diabetes medication which could harm my heart. It's broken the cycle of self-destructive food addiction that's plagued me for forty years. It's not a cult, it's not obsessive, it's just one of many options for anyone looking to change the way they eat. I do eat carbs, about 20-30 a day, which I get mainly from vegetables and nuts. The only thing I've eliminated is junk, processed carbs and added sugars.7 -
WillYammer wrote: »Yeah, I wanted to give it at least 4 weeks. I really missed the carbs. Sweet potatoes, bananas, berries, tacos, and on and on. Hats off to anyone who can sustain keto!
There are SO many recipes that get you close to what you like. If you're not into experimenting (or lazy), keto is not for you. It's more of a lifestyle than a diet. What are you looking to do? Lose weight? If so, then low carbs, no sugar (all the things you mentioned are turned into sugar by our bodies) is the way to go.
I'm having fun with it. Turns out I like cooking up things that people can't believe are keto/low carb. Two months in and I'm halfway to my 3-inch waist reduction goal.
That literally makes no sense to me.
If you eat carbs you can have every single recipe on the planet not just the much smaller subset of recipes that virtually eliminate carbs. That sounds like fun to me, restriction is the opposite of fun in my experience.
It would make more sense (but still very, very little sense!) to restrict dietary fat as it's fat not carbs that gets stored as body fat.
I don't want diet (noun or verb) to be a "lifestyle", that just sounds obsessive.
I am so glad that someone else feels this way. I cringe when I read..."It's not a diet it's a lifestyle." I do not want my life or my lifestyle to be about being obsessed by every little calorie or how many carbs I ate in day. If that is how I define myself then I just need to give up and call it quits! I don't want a "name" whether it be keto, iifym, lchf etc etc attached to how I eat. At the end of the day I just want to have enjoyed what I ate and feel as if I am the healthier for it.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »ultra_violets wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »I wouldn't try a cult diet.
Who says it's a "cult" diet? Pretty dismissive of a way of eating that many people find satisfying and sustainable, especially type 2 diabetics like me.
At the moment, it does have a pretty cult like following much like paleo and primal had 5 years ago. All one needs to do is follow social media and see that it's all the rave right now whether people have medical conditions or not. Tons of unsubstantiated claims coming out of the wood work as well by people trying to sell books and whatnot...cure for cancer and a bunch of other outlandish stuff.
You can't tell from the description, but THE END OF ALZHEIMERS promotes "mild ketosis" as a way to prevent and reverse Alzheimers. How do I know this? Because my 81 year old mother bought it and was asking me questions about it.
The book does a terrible job describing what one needs to do to achieve ketosis, BTW.
Mom hasn't brought it up in a month and hasn't changed her diet, so I think she lost interest after I explained how she would have to change her diet to achieve ketosis and after pointing out that she is already eating a pretty much Mediterranean style diet, which the book pointed out numerous times also has anti-Alzheimers benefits.1 -
WillYammer wrote: »Yeah, I wanted to give it at least 4 weeks. I really missed the carbs. Sweet potatoes, bananas, berries, tacos, and on and on. Hats off to anyone who can sustain keto!
There are SO many recipes that get you close to what you like. If you're not into experimenting (or lazy), keto is not for you. It's more of a lifestyle than a diet. What are you looking to do? Lose weight? If so, then low carbs, no sugar (all the things you mentioned are turned into sugar by our bodies) is the way to go.
I'm having fun with it. Turns out I like cooking up things that people can't believe are keto/low carb. Two months in and I'm halfway to my 3-inch waist reduction goal.
That literally makes no sense to me.
If you eat carbs you can have every single recipe on the planet not just the much smaller subset of recipes that virtually eliminate carbs. That sounds like fun to me, restriction is the opposite of fun in my experience.
It would make more sense (but still very, very little sense!) to restrict dietary fat as it's fat not carbs that gets stored as body fat.
I don't want diet (noun or verb) to be a "lifestyle", that just sounds obsessive.
I am so glad that someone else feels this way. I cringe when I read..."It's not a diet it's a lifestyle." I do not want my life or my lifestyle to be about being obsessed by every little calorie or how many carbs I ate in day. If that is how I define myself then I just need to give up and call it quits! I don't want a "name" whether it be keto, iifym, lchf etc etc attached to how I eat. At the end of the day I just want to have enjoyed what I ate and feel as if I am the healthier for it.
Couldn't agree more.2 -
If a person doing "keto" is not doing 4:1 (aka, "classic"), or maybe 3:1 if obese, s/he is not doing the ketogenic diet. Both are high fat, low everything else, and calorie restricted. Very unbalanced and only meant to be utilized until seizures were controlled and could slowly wean off of.
If that's not what a person is doing, all s/he is doing is social media's bastardized version of it that has indeed become a cultish diet plan. And social media's version is really nothing but its frequently modified version of the modified Atkins (MAD) variant of the ketogenic diet. But don't you dare call what they are doing Atkins, lol.
FWIW, there are old threads full of women on lowcarber who tried to do Atkins Induction Phase levels of carbs/day indefinitely back in the early to mid-aughts, thinking they'd found their answer to stalling out on Atkins/other low carb diet plans after incorrectly climbing the ladder and/or following because of "tweaking" the diets early and often. They all stalled eventually even on that and/or gave up/moved on to other woe's for a variety of reasons.2
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