A nutrition question and a training question (running)

Hey folks, I'm looking at doing a heavier race schedule over the next 6-ish months than I've ever done, and I'm looking for whether you have good resources for nutrition athe race stacking.

Tentative races -
*half marathon early June. (Goal: kill my PR)
* sprint or Olympic tri early September (Goal: fun completion with friends)
* full marathon - early November (Goal: maybe a BQ?! Depends a bit of how the half goes.)

I have a great fitness base, I'm running low moderate mileage consistently (think 50 miles a month; I'll be a little higher this month because I've had some longer runs). I strength train and cycle regularly and have just this month put swimming back in the rotation.

My question is about training resources. There are training plans, but they all focus on single event plans and run 10-16 weeks. I won't have time between races to 'reset' training plans (specifically between the tri and the marathon). Any good resources or advice? I'm a more intuitive athlete and I've stayed injury free for 2 years because of my varied routines, but I *think* running a BQ time is in my grasp for the first time in my life.

Nutrition question - super simple - I want to be intentional about upping my game to being more holistic (I'm actually lousy at eating my veggies!) Do you have blogs or cookbooks or IGs or anyone that you like that I should check out? If I do these races, I'll look forward to eating very well...

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  • lorrpb
    lorrpb Posts: 11,463 Member
    edited April 2019
    Your running is your priority, so focus on that. It sounds like your fit enough to do the Tri, assuming you’re a decent swimmer and cyclist. If you don’t know how to swim, you’ll need to take lessons and practice a fair bit, Do enough tri training to adjust to open water swim, assuming that’s the case. You will want to do some bricks , bike to run back to back, to get your legs used to the odd transition between sports. Have fun!
    PS If you’re female, check out Women for Tri FB page.
  • spiriteagle99
    spiriteagle99 Posts: 3,744 Member
    Your running is currently pretty low in mileage, but you have time to build it up. (A decent marathon plan is at least 40 mpw, preferably 50 or more at peak. A good HM plan is around 35 mpw. ) Since you want to do tri-training as well, you might look at getting a coach so you can balance buildup in base mileage with biking and swimming. You'll be doing a lot of doubles, swimming in the morning and running or biking in the evening. Going from training for the half to the full shouldn't be that difficult. Just don't back down in mileage between races. You might try training for the half with a Novice 2 plan then training for another half with higher mileage (i.e. Intermediate 1 or 2), and then start marathon training when you finish the triathalon at whatever week fits the marathon plan. (If there are 7 weeks to your marathon, start 7 weeks back.) Most novice marathon plans start at 8 miles or so, so the first weeks would be a repeat of what you've just done anyway.

    Doing non-stop training for the next six months is going to be very challenging, both physically and mentally. I wish you luck.

  • dewd2
    dewd2 Posts: 2,445 Member
    This is when a good coach is worth the money. You're plans is too customized for normal plans.
  • deannalfisher
    deannalfisher Posts: 5,600 Member
    here would be my recommendation (and its similar to what i'm doing)

    train for your half marathon in June, then transition to a Marathon plan but i would pick for one the initial period that is like 3 days a week running and then add in an olympic tri plan (i like Matt Fitzgerald's stuff) - but use one of the run workouts on the oly plan for your long run build for the marathon - then once you are done wtih the the tri do a focused 8 week build into your marathon

    i'm doing Ironman Mont Treblant mid-August and then transitioning into full-on marathon training (vs ironman training) for Air Force Marathon in September (still potential) and then Marine Corps in October
  • Djproulx
    Djproulx Posts: 3,084 Member
    summpear wrote: »
    Hey folks, I'm looking at doing a heavier race schedule over the next 6-ish months than I've ever done, and I'm looking for whether you have good resources for nutrition athe race stacking.

    Tentative races -
    *half marathon early June. (Goal: kill my PR)
    * sprint or Olympic tri early September (Goal: fun completion with friends)
    * full marathon - early November (Goal: maybe a BQ?! Depends a bit of how the half goes.)

    I have a great fitness base, I'm running low moderate mileage consistently (think 50 miles a month; I'll be a little higher this month because I've had some longer runs). I strength train and cycle regularly and have just this month put swimming back in the rotation.

    My question is about training resources. There are training plans, but they all focus on single event plans and run 10-16 weeks. I won't have time between races to 'reset' training plans (specifically between the tri and the marathon). Any good resources or advice? I'm a more intuitive athlete and I've stayed injury free for 2 years because of my varied routines, but I *think* running a BQ time is in my grasp for the first time in my life.

    Nutrition question - super simple - I want to be intentional about upping my game to being more holistic (I'm actually lousy at eating my veggies!) Do you have blogs or cookbooks or IGs or anyone that you like that I should check out? If I do these races, I'll look forward to eating very well...

    Couple thoughts come to mind:

    As mentioned by @dewd2, you might consider engaging a coach to help you with managing your training load.

    Your planned race schedule is very doable and is a typical season for many multisport athletes. If a coach isn't in the cards, you could certainly manage this yourself depending on both your goals and your level of comfort with managing the cumulative fatigue that comes with a prolonged training build.

    From your post, it sounds like your current activities include cycling and will include swimming soon, so there's plenty of time to build fitness in these areas to tackle a sprint or Olympic distance event. You mentioned that your triathlon goal is simply to have fun and complete it with friends, so I wouldn't be too worried if you are comfortable in the water and put in some consistent bike/swim time.

    As far as the "big picture", a few thoughts come to mind. Many athletes who are planning to participate in multiple events over an entire season use a software tool (or their coach does) to help track and manage both fitness and fatigue. The one I use is Training Peaks. It is a paid service. Workouts can be loaded into TP in advance as part of a training schedule. Each workout is assigned an expected "training stress score" based on the level of intensity and duration of each particular session. TP then captures data from various devices such as watches, HR monitors, power meters, etc when the user syncs their device to TP following a workout. The result of this tracking is that over time, an athlete sees a graph of increasing fitness as well as increasing fatigue, based on the training stress that accumulates over time. TP calculates both acute training load (the stress of today's workout) and cumulative training load(the stress built up over the last xx days) and displays this as a graph. This allows athletes to see the impact of each days workout, whether swim, bike, run, and how those workouts drive both fitness and build fatigue. This is also very helpful as a tool for understanding how a recovery week allows you to shed fatigue while maintaining fitness. Finally, TP can be linked to MFP, so that an athlete can see the relationship between calorie intake and performance.

    Since you are thinking about training from a longer term perspective, you might also want to read a bit about how you can manage your nutrition to align with the various phases of your training. One book that could help is Bob Seebohar's "Nutrition Periodization for Athletes". There are also a bunch of good online resources, including links to Training Peaks articles on the topic.

    Hope this helps. Sounds like a fun season!




  • Djproulx
    Djproulx Posts: 3,084 Member
    here would be my recommendation (and its similar to what i'm doing)

    train for your half marathon in June, then transition to a Marathon plan but i would pick for one the initial period that is like 3 days a week running and then add in an olympic tri plan (i like Matt Fitzgerald's stuff) - but use one of the run workouts on the oly plan for your long run build for the marathon - then once you are done wtih the the tri do a focused 8 week build into your marathon

    i'm doing Ironman Mont Treblant mid-August and then transitioning into full-on marathon training (vs ironman training) for Air Force Marathon in September (still potential) and then Marine Corps in October

    +1 for Matt Fitzgerald's tri-plans>
  • summpear
    summpear Posts: 77 Member
    Thank you for your thoughtful responses; I will definitely check out some tracking software, especially as balancing when to train on fresh legs vs when to train on fatigued legs (and then actually doing it) is hard.

    I'll also scope out my local runners club and ask around about coaches. I haven't done anything with the club before, but right now I don't have any leads on a decent running partner for serious pacing. I have 2-3 friends who could keep up an 8mm for 1-3 miles, but no one who can keep up sub 8:30 over any serious kind of distance. And if I were to seriously train for a BQ time, I'll need some accountability and help staying on target.
  • deannalfisher
    deannalfisher Posts: 5,600 Member
    summpear wrote: »
    Thank you for your thoughtful responses; I will definitely check out some tracking software, especially as balancing when to train on fresh legs vs when to train on fatigued legs (and then actually doing it) is hard.

    I'll also scope out my local runners club and ask around about coaches. I haven't done anything with the club before, but right now I don't have any leads on a decent running partner for serious pacing. I have 2-3 friends who could keep up an 8mm for 1-3 miles, but no one who can keep up sub 8:30 over any serious kind of distance. And if I were to seriously train for a BQ time, I'll need some accountability and help staying on target.

    check out this link for running clubs: https://www.rrca.org/resources/runners/find-a-running-club

    depending on where you are, you may have to travel which i find useful for longer runs on weekends (lesser so for short runs during the week)
  • sarabushby
    sarabushby Posts: 784 Member
    There’s a recipe book by Runners World “Meals on the Run”. “150 energy packed recipes in 30 minutes or less.”

    There’s some nice recipes & pictures and each includes a good breakdown of the nutrition information so it’s easy to use alongside MFP. Recipes are also highlighted in certain categories eg vegetarian, low calorie, gluten free, ‘pre-run’, ‘recovery’ etc.

    I like it (PS I’m training mostly for half-iron distance triathlon races this season)

    :)
  • summpear
    summpear Posts: 77 Member
    sarabushby wrote: »
    There’s a recipe book by Runners World “Meals on the Run”. “150 energy packed recipes in 30 minutes or less.”

    There’s some nice recipes & pictures and each includes a good breakdown of the nutrition information so it’s easy to use alongside MFP. Recipes are also highlighted in certain categories eg vegetarian, low calorie, gluten free, ‘pre-run’, ‘recovery’ etc.

    I like it (PS I’m training mostly for half-iron distance triathlon races this season)

    :)

    Awesome!

    A half ironman is tucked away in the back of my mind for 2020. I'm not a great cyclist and that portion intimidates me right now. I also hurt my back 4 years ago cycling (training for a sprint), and that snowballed 30lbs of weight gain and getting completely out of shape.

    2 years ago, I didn't think I'd ever run more than a mile or so again, but I committed myself to doing yoga twice a week and walking my dog. That gradually increased into me lifting once a week, then twice a week, then cycling once a week, then playing indoor soccer, then starting to put in some 2 and 3 mile runs that built into training for a half marathon last fall. Then something shifted around November and my base pace has been dropping significantly and I'm running the fastest I ever have in 15 years of distance running. That's why my cross training routine is so important to me right now - it's what has kept my back happy and a huge part of why my legs are flying these days.