Vegan Keto
MissFoxyOne
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Anyone else vegan keto? How is it going? Are you on the vegan keto reddit thread? I’m still working on getting it right
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Sounds unnecessarily restrictive.34
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Most people find it very difficult to be both vegan and keto.
Unless your doctor has explicitly told you to follow both of these diets, I would recommend choosing one of them or neither, depending on your goals, preferences, morals, and/or medical needs.
If your goal is weight loss, you don't need to follow any named diet. You only need a calorie deficit.16 -
I'm not.
I do best on a 'paleo-ish' gig that sorta verges on 'pegan' (Mark Hyman term, paleo-meets-vegan, meat as a condiment, eationg food that is actual food as opposed to food-like-substances engineered in food labs and involving extracted/isolated elements.)
Just me, just my journey. I have a good friend who eats mostly oreos and he is 6 times the athlete I am.
but If I was going to attempt keto-vegan, I'd educate with the principles this guy uses:
https://drwillcole.com/ketotarian/7 -
I honestly dont even see how that's possible without your diet consisting of primarily copious amounts of oil.11
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Teabythesea_ wrote: »I honestly dont even see how that's possible without your diet consisting of primarily copious amounts of oil.
Not to mention trying to get enough protein from vegan sources without going over your carb limit. I've looked at meals cited as examples of vegan ketoism. It's been a while, but my recollection is that even if you took just the individual food with the best protein-to-carb ratio, you couldn't get to 80 g of protein and stay under 20 g of carbs. Obviously people will have different goals, but 80 g of protein doesn't seem terribly high to me for even a smallish person, even if they're trying to maintain muscle in a calorie deficit.10 -
I tried this when I was vegan. I honestly did not do well when I was completely vegan over all, but by adding fish and collagen powder I am doing a very low carb plan. I would encourage that anyone on keto primarily stick to plant sources. Dairy fat and animal fats with the exception of fish are not long term heart healthy.
Keto is the current big move but it has a lot of misinformed people. Keto is not new and was created for epilepsy, other brain and neurological conditions. As a weight loss plan, it can be beneficial if done with intelligence and clean. It also. Is not always long term, so you may want to consider a low carb no sugar and higher fat plan
As a vegan I see a lot of people who do well,.depending on the person and knowledge. I actually like vegan but do not eat so many vegan foods it was not helping my health. If you are solely doing it for health or weight I would encourage a plant based but maybe not totally vegan. If you are afiment on veganism then you may feel better just limiting carbs and doung higher proteins ( fermented tofu, tempeh, etc)
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You must really hate food to do this long term.13
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Keto vegan is not very common. There are a few vegetarian keto'ers, and a number who try to eat quite plant based.
I go the opposite route so keto works well for me.I tried this when I was vegan. I honestly did not do well when I was completely vegan over all, but by adding fish and collagen powder I am doing a very low carb plan. I would encourage that anyone on keto primarily stick to plant sources. Dairy fat and animal fats with the exception of fish are not long term heart healthy.
Keto is the current big move but it has a lot of misinformed people. Keto is not new and was created for epilepsy, other brain and neurological conditions. As a weight loss plan, it can be beneficial if done with intelligence and clean. It also. Is not always long term, so you may want to consider a low carb no sugar and higher fat plan
As a vegan I see a lot of people who do well,.depending on the person and knowledge. I actually like vegan but do not eat so many vegan foods it was not helping my health. If you are solely doing it for health or weight I would encourage a plant based but maybe not totally vegan. If you are afiment on veganism then you may feel better just limiting carbs and doung higher proteins ( fermented tofu, tempeh, etc)
Keto was not created for epilepsy. That was just one of the first medically prescribed uses of keto besides T1D prior to insulin. Now it is also prescribed for improved CVD, alzheimer's, NAFLD, PCOS - most conditions with IR tend to benefit from lowered carbs.14 -
purplefizzy wrote: »I'm not.
I do best on a 'paleo-ish' gig that sorta verges on 'pegan' (Mark Hyman term, paleo-meets-vegan, meat as a condiment, eationg food that is actual food as opposed to food-like-substances engineered in food labs and involving extracted/isolated elements.)
Just me, just my journey. I have a good friend who eats mostly oreos and he is 6 times the athlete I am.
but If I was going to attempt keto-vegan, I'd educate with the principles this guy uses:
https://drwillcole.com/ketotarian/
I was under the impression that if you eat something and gain nutrition from it without becoming soon ill, that is food. Plus, isn't meat already violating this rule - maybe eating small things like crickets or rodents? Otherwise, I've never eaten the whole animal; I tend to eat meat as just parts (extracted/isolated elements) of the animal.11 -
magnusthenerd wrote: »purplefizzy wrote: »I'm not.
I do best on a 'paleo-ish' gig that sorta verges on 'pegan' (Mark Hyman term, paleo-meets-vegan, meat as a condiment, eationg food that is actual food as opposed to food-like-substances engineered in food labs and involving extracted/isolated elements.)
Just me, just my journey. I have a good friend who eats mostly oreos and he is 6 times the athlete I am.
but If I was going to attempt keto-vegan, I'd educate with the principles this guy uses:
https://drwillcole.com/ketotarian/
I was under the impression that if you eat something and gain nutrition from it without becoming soon ill, that is food. Plus, isn't meat already violating this rule - maybe eating small things like crickets or rodents? Otherwise, I've never eaten the whole animal; I tend to eat meat as just parts (extracted/isolated elements) of the animal.
By that argument, if I eat half an avocado on my toast for breakfast, and stick the other half in the freezer for tomorrow's smoothie, the avocado is no longer part of a whole-food diet?6 -
purplefizzy wrote: »who eats mostly oreos and he is 6 times the athlete I am.
@ me next time.13 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »purplefizzy wrote: »I'm not.
I do best on a 'paleo-ish' gig that sorta verges on 'pegan' (Mark Hyman term, paleo-meets-vegan, meat as a condiment, eationg food that is actual food as opposed to food-like-substances engineered in food labs and involving extracted/isolated elements.)
Just me, just my journey. I have a good friend who eats mostly oreos and he is 6 times the athlete I am.
but If I was going to attempt keto-vegan, I'd educate with the principles this guy uses:
https://drwillcole.com/ketotarian/
I was under the impression that if you eat something and gain nutrition from it without becoming soon ill, that is food. Plus, isn't meat already violating this rule - maybe eating small things like crickets or rodents? Otherwise, I've never eaten the whole animal; I tend to eat meat as just parts (extracted/isolated elements) of the animal.
By that argument, if I eat half an avocado on my toast for breakfast, and stick the other half in the freezer for tomorrow's smoothie, the avocado is no longer part of a whole-food diet?
I don't know, I don't advocate whole foods diets.
It seems to me saying you don't extract elements means the avocado was already off the menu because you remove the skin and the seed.4 -
interesting thanks for theinfo1
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »purplefizzy wrote: »I'm not.
I do best on a 'paleo-ish' gig that sorta verges on 'pegan' (Mark Hyman term, paleo-meets-vegan, meat as a condiment, eationg food that is actual food as opposed to food-like-substances engineered in food labs and involving extracted/isolated elements.)
Just me, just my journey. I have a good friend who eats mostly oreos and he is 6 times the athlete I am.
but If I was going to attempt keto-vegan, I'd educate with the principles this guy uses:
https://drwillcole.com/ketotarian/
I was under the impression that if you eat something and gain nutrition from it without becoming soon ill, that is food. Plus, isn't meat already violating this rule - maybe eating small things like crickets or rodents? Otherwise, I've never eaten the whole animal; I tend to eat meat as just parts (extracted/isolated elements) of the animal.
By that argument, if I eat half an avocado on my toast for breakfast, and stick the other half in the freezer for tomorrow's smoothie, the avocado is no longer part of a whole-food diet?
If you aren't eating the skin and the pit, too, looks like it wouldn't qualify anyway, since you're extracting/isolating elements.
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I started keto vegan...it requires a great deal of planning but at the time meat was a huge migraine trigger for me. I'm not vegan any more since the migraines ceased about 100 days in even with exposure to triggers, but I do remember lots of tofu and soy based foods. Black soybeans in particular are very low carb if I remember right.
Also, if you go with net carbs then you can ignore the fiber carbs from your veggies, which will help you stay under your carb goal. Getting enough protein is the challenge. It's much easier if you opt to add in dairy and eggs, but it's possible even without them.2 -
I am sure you have chosen this approach for reasons that are relevant to you and I wish you good results with it.
I am on Keto with no meat and very low fish, dairy and eggs. Most of my fat comes via EVOO and you really are not glugging a lot of that to get your fat requirement. I can eat an awful lot of roasted veg
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Good luck OP !2 -
Hi!! Late to the party but I've just started keto as a vegan. First 3 days have been easy enough but I'm finding variety difficult. I'm not an imaginative cook at the best of times!!
I tend to eat quite a few meat replacements and have found some that are low net carb but pretty full of protein and reasonably high fat too.
I'm eating a lot of tofu but I love tofu!
Alpro plain unsweetened yoghurt has negligible carbs so is great with a small portion of berries when the sweet cravings hit!
I must add I'm not planning on doing so low carbs for too long. Mainly to give me a push in the right direction. I do have PCOS so low carb works well for me for weight loss but I'm a binge eater and I worry that restricting myself too much for too long with make me cave one day and drown myself in oreos.1 -
My fiance is veggie keto, she's done amazing .vegan sounds tough but I guess it can be done1
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I follow a few people on Instagram which do vegan keto. I'm a vegan but Kato has never appeal plus high fat makes me stomach hurt. Went vegan ate whole foods most of the time with fun food thrown in and I lost 6 stone over two years and maintained it since last September.3
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magnusthenerd wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »purplefizzy wrote: »I'm not.
I do best on a 'paleo-ish' gig that sorta verges on 'pegan' (Mark Hyman term, paleo-meets-vegan, meat as a condiment, eationg food that is actual food as opposed to food-like-substances engineered in food labs and involving extracted/isolated elements.)
Just me, just my journey. I have a good friend who eats mostly oreos and he is 6 times the athlete I am.
but If I was going to attempt keto-vegan, I'd educate with the principles this guy uses:
https://drwillcole.com/ketotarian/
I was under the impression that if you eat something and gain nutrition from it without becoming soon ill, that is food. Plus, isn't meat already violating this rule - maybe eating small things like crickets or rodents? Otherwise, I've never eaten the whole animal; I tend to eat meat as just parts (extracted/isolated elements) of the animal.
By that argument, if I eat half an avocado on my toast for breakfast, and stick the other half in the freezer for tomorrow's smoothie, the avocado is no longer part of a whole-food diet?
I don't know, I don't advocate whole foods diets.
It seems to me saying you don't extract elements means the avocado was already off the menu because you remove the skin and the seed.
Whole food diets normally advocate for single ingredient food sources - not that you have to eat the entire item. The food is “whole” being in its natural form without additives. So half and avocado is a whole food and so is part of a cow as a steak.3 -
ruthie3110 wrote: »Hi!! Late to the party but I've just started keto as a vegan. First 3 days have been easy enough but I'm finding variety difficult. I'm not an imaginative cook at the best of times!!
I tend to eat quite a few meat replacements and have found some that are low net carb but pretty full of protein and reasonably high fat too.
I'm eating a lot of tofu but I love tofu!
Alpro plain unsweetened yoghurt has negligible carbs so is great with a small portion of berries when the sweet cravings hit!
I must add I'm not planning on doing so low carbs for too long. Mainly to give me a push in the right direction. I do have PCOS so low carb works well for me for weight loss but I'm a binge eater and I worry that restricting myself too much for too long with make me cave one day and drown myself in oreos.
Not to be rude, but you say that restricting yourself for too long will make you cave one day yet you're literally on one of the most restrictive diets you could possibly find?6 -
Keto vegan is not very common. There are a few vegetarian keto'ers, and a number who try to eat quite plant based.
I go the opposite route so keto works well for me.I tried this when I was vegan. I honestly did not do well when I was completely vegan over all, but by adding fish and collagen powder I am doing a very low carb plan. I would encourage that anyone on keto primarily stick to plant sources. Dairy fat and animal fats with the exception of fish are not long term heart healthy.
Keto is the current big move but it has a lot of misinformed people. Keto is not new and was created for epilepsy, other brain and neurological conditions. As a weight loss plan, it can be beneficial if done with intelligence and clean. It also. Is not always long term, so you may want to consider a low carb no sugar and higher fat plan
As a vegan I see a lot of people who do well,.depending on the person and knowledge. I actually like vegan but do not eat so many vegan foods it was not helping my health. If you are solely doing it for health or weight I would encourage a plant based but maybe not totally vegan. If you are afiment on veganism then you may feel better just limiting carbs and doung higher proteins ( fermented tofu, tempeh, etc)
Keto was not created for epilepsy. That was just one of the first medically prescribed uses of keto besides T1D prior to insulin. Now it is also prescribed for improved CVD, alzheimer's, NAFLD, PCOS - most conditions with IR tend to benefit from lowered carbs.
Yes, I did not completely explain why keto was introduced, ( I have to post when I have adequate time to complete my thought and knowledge....lol...I did know these facts.) Thank you for explaining better. Also another method is a Meditteranian diet with lower carbs and/ or ketogenic choices1 -
Check out the book called Ketotarian by Dr Will Cole. I don't think it's Vegan, but pretty sure it is Pescatarian/Vegetarian Keto. It might help you some.1
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