Crossfit, dont knock it, till you try it.
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Rocko820
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Not for èveryone, however work at your own level and it may just grow on you.
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Who....exactly is knocking it?4
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That's true of more or less anything is it not? I mean I have my reasons for not trying crossfit, but had I given into my anxiety and quit rowing, I wouldn't have realized how much I love it. Thankfully I had the foresight and self awareness to realize that I had to persevere through it to get to the otherside (I'm not quite on the other side, but I'm very close to it).3
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I tried it, does that mean I get to knock it? Lol. I went years ago with my wife. It wasn't for me. She loved it though and was a big crossfitter back then.0
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snowflake954 wrote: »Who....exactly is knocking it?
I've seen a few articles criticizing it (I think one may have been in Wired Magazine?) but that was years ago. That and just about every other article I've read criticising crossfit was primarily about how individual gyms deal with pushing people (especially beginners) and the number of people emergency departments were seeing with rhabdomyolysis as a result of the workouts people had done at crossfit gyms. There has also historically (though really not that long ago) been criticism surrounding how they deal with trans people in competitions (of the same type of criticism that power lifting gets), but I think the general public hears about that less.
That said, I don't think any of the criticism has hurt crossfit. Or rather, I see a ton of crossfit gyms in my day to day life.3 -
Always wanted to try CrossFit!2
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I’ve cherry-picked the WODs without joining the cult.8
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Since my goal is specific optimal strength of a 1RM on a platform of the big three, I won't be trying it.
Personally I think cross fit has done wonders in recent years to get people to be active where they normally wouldn't, which is a plus.
That being said, its not ideal for a untrained person long term if your goal is stremgth since the training is really specific for honing the skills and endurance of competing in crossfit and the long term strength just isn't there within the programming alone which is a minus.
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pierinifitness wrote: »I’ve cherry-picked the WODs without joining the cult.
I don't think there is anything inherently bad with crossfit other than the cult like vibe, certain specific exercises, & the competition aspects (ex) doing olympic lifts for reps in an allotted amount of time). Good variety of exercises all around (kills boredom & monotony) & like the somewhat fast pace (fast pace with proper form, little rest to no rest between sets rotating exercises in a circuit like fashion). Take from it what you like...would agree with others, cross fit is definitely not for beginners7 -
Would you say I could get a similar crossfit workout at home as I could a crossfit gym? Minus giant tires etc. Lol I have a toddler so it's hard for me to make it to a gym but I do like how straight forward crossfit is0
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I think it's great if you love it. But I personally will not be trying it. I workout at home and CrossFit is not a part of my personal goals.4
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Tried it a couple times at different gyms. It's not for me. But I have plenty of friends that love it.1
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My only issue with it is that every.single.person I know who does it has had shoulder issues, some to the point of having to operate. EVERY SINGLE ONE. 100% rate. Of people I know who do it. Granted, I only know about 6 people who do/have done it, so it's not a very large cross-section of the population, but still.... 6/6 have shoulder damage? And do CrossFit? Bit too much of a coincidence there.
Which brings me to what others have said above - it's not for beginners and also, the competitive aspect of doing particular exercises for time, can result in loss of form, which in turn can lead to injury.
Each individual exercise is fine tho. Slower. With good form.
Oh yeah - and the cult-vibe. Kind of like keto. That has a cult-vibe too.8 -
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Cahgetsfit wrote: »My only issue with it is that every.single.person I know who does it has had shoulder issues, some to the point of having to operate. EVERY SINGLE ONE. 100% rate. Of people I know who do it. Granted, I only know about 6 people who do/have done it, so it's not a very large cross-section of the population, but still.... 6/6 have shoulder damage? And do CrossFit? Bit too much of a coincidence there.
Which brings me to what others have said above - it's not for beginners and also, the competitive aspect of doing particular exercises for time, can result in loss of form, which in turn can lead to injury.
Each individual exercise is fine tho. Slower. With good form.
Oh yeah - and the cult-vibe. Kind of like keto. That has a cult-vibe too.
Actually, I don't have the exact figures down.
But people have had concerns about shoulders and weight lifting generally. So researchers have looked at the available data. Which may or may not be any good, but it is what we have.
Shoulder injuries are not especially more common than injuries to other body parts, and there is no more risk of shoulder injury in Crossfit than there is powerlifting or Olympic lifting.
Moreover, it seems that if you try to dig down into the exact exercises that lead to shoulder injuries the bad exercise is primarily the upright row movement, which can lead to shoulder impingement.
Everybody has done, or does, upright rows. I have seen them in all kinds of gym programs.
You can google around and look it up if you want. I did because I have a friend with a rotator cuff and he was told to never lift weight above the clavicle.5 -
I wouldn't be surprised, however, if part of the issue has to do with speed and using (or not using) good form. I'm essentially repeating what @Cahgetsfit said in that regard, "Each individual exercise is fine tho. Slower. With good form." Given the number of crossfit videos I've seen with people who own gym, are competing, or are on crossfit's youtube channel using atrocious form on the rowing machine, I would be far from surprised if that transfers over to other exercises that are done in Crossfit.GiddyupTim wrote: »Cahgetsfit wrote: »My only issue with it is that every.single.person I know who does it has had shoulder issues, some to the point of having to operate. EVERY SINGLE ONE. 100% rate. Of people I know who do it. Granted, I only know about 6 people who do/have done it, so it's not a very large cross-section of the population, but still.... 6/6 have shoulder damage? And do CrossFit? Bit too much of a coincidence there.
Which brings me to what others have said above - it's not for beginners and also, the competitive aspect of doing particular exercises for time, can result in loss of form, which in turn can lead to injury.
Each individual exercise is fine tho. Slower. With good form.
Oh yeah - and the cult-vibe. Kind of like keto. That has a cult-vibe too.
Actually, I don't have the exact figures down.
But people have had concerns about shoulders and weight lifting generally. So researchers have looked at the available data. Which may or may not be any good, but it is what we have.
Shoulder injuries are not especially more common than injuries to other body parts, and there is no more risk of shoulder injury in Crossfit than there is powerlifting or Olympic lifting.
Moreover, it seems that if you try to dig down into the exact exercises that lead to shoulder injuries the bad exercise is primarily the upright row movement, which can lead to shoulder impingement.
Everybody has done, or does, upright rows. I have seen them in all kinds of gym programs.
You can google around and look it up if you want. I did because I have a friend with a rotator cuff and he was told to never lift weight above the clavicle.
This is an educated guess mind you. However given that the organization is essentially endorsing the use of poor form on a rowing machine by showing various videos of people using poor form, I seems logical that this would be similar for other exercises.6 -
pierinifitness wrote: »I’ve cherry-picked the WODs without joining the cult.
^^^^this
or rather my PT cherry picks WODs and every now and again she'll get me to do an amrap, or strangely named workout. But she's there 1-2-1 making sure I keep form while she shouts at me to go quicker.
In fact I guess a lot of my workouts are crossfit style, I just don't do them in a box
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I wouldn't be surprised, however, if part of the issue has to do with speed and using (or not using) good form. I'm essentially repeating what @Cahgetsfit said in that regard, "Each individual exercise is fine tho. Slower. With good form." Given the number of crossfit videos I've seen with people who own gym, are competing, or are on crossfit's youtube channel using atrocious form on the rowing machine, I would be far from surprised if that transfers over to other exercises that are done in Crossfit.GiddyupTim wrote: »Cahgetsfit wrote: »My only issue with it is that every.single.person I know who does it has had shoulder issues, some to the point of having to operate. EVERY SINGLE ONE. 100% rate. Of people I know who do it. Granted, I only know about 6 people who do/have done it, so it's not a very large cross-section of the population, but still.... 6/6 have shoulder damage? And do CrossFit? Bit too much of a coincidence there.
Which brings me to what others have said above - it's not for beginners and also, the competitive aspect of doing particular exercises for time, can result in loss of form, which in turn can lead to injury.
Each individual exercise is fine tho. Slower. With good form.
Oh yeah - and the cult-vibe. Kind of like keto. That has a cult-vibe too.
Actually, I don't have the exact figures down.
But people have had concerns about shoulders and weight lifting generally. So researchers have looked at the available data. Which may or may not be any good, but it is what we have.
Shoulder injuries are not especially more common than injuries to other body parts, and there is no more risk of shoulder injury in Crossfit than there is powerlifting or Olympic lifting.
Moreover, it seems that if you try to dig down into the exact exercises that lead to shoulder injuries the bad exercise is primarily the upright row movement, which can lead to shoulder impingement.
Everybody has done, or does, upright rows. I have seen them in all kinds of gym programs.
You can google around and look it up if you want. I did because I have a friend with a rotator cuff and he was told to never lift weight above the clavicle.
This is an educated guess mind you. However given that the organization is essentially endorsing the use of poor form on a rowing machine by showing various videos of people using poor form, I seems logical that this would be similar for other exercises.
Sorry. Maybe I wasn't clear.
The upright row is not done on a rowing machine. it is a barbell movement.
My wife is on a crew team. She continually informs me that my rowing form is horrible.
I suspect that we non-rowers will never get our erg form down well enough to earn any respect from the real rowers...0 -
GiddyupTim wrote: »
I wouldn't be surprised, however, if part of the issue has to do with speed and using (or not using) good form. I'm essentially repeating what @Cahgetsfit said in that regard, "Each individual exercise is fine tho. Slower. With good form." Given the number of crossfit videos I've seen with people who own gym, are competing, or are on crossfit's youtube channel using atrocious form on the rowing machine, I would be far from surprised if that transfers over to other exercises that are done in Crossfit.GiddyupTim wrote: »Cahgetsfit wrote: »My only issue with it is that every.single.person I know who does it has had shoulder issues, some to the point of having to operate. EVERY SINGLE ONE. 100% rate. Of people I know who do it. Granted, I only know about 6 people who do/have done it, so it's not a very large cross-section of the population, but still.... 6/6 have shoulder damage? And do CrossFit? Bit too much of a coincidence there.
Which brings me to what others have said above - it's not for beginners and also, the competitive aspect of doing particular exercises for time, can result in loss of form, which in turn can lead to injury.
Each individual exercise is fine tho. Slower. With good form.
Oh yeah - and the cult-vibe. Kind of like keto. That has a cult-vibe too.
Actually, I don't have the exact figures down.
But people have had concerns about shoulders and weight lifting generally. So researchers have looked at the available data. Which may or may not be any good, but it is what we have.
Shoulder injuries are not especially more common than injuries to other body parts, and there is no more risk of shoulder injury in Crossfit than there is powerlifting or Olympic lifting.
Moreover, it seems that if you try to dig down into the exact exercises that lead to shoulder injuries the bad exercise is primarily the upright row movement, which can lead to shoulder impingement.
Everybody has done, or does, upright rows. I have seen them in all kinds of gym programs.
You can google around and look it up if you want. I did because I have a friend with a rotator cuff and he was told to never lift weight above the clavicle.
This is an educated guess mind you. However given that the organization is essentially endorsing the use of poor form on a rowing machine by showing various videos of people using poor form, I seems logical that this would be similar for other exercises.
Sorry. Maybe I wasn't clear.
The upright row is not done on a rowing machine. it is a barbell movement.
My wife is on a crew team. She continually informs me that my rowing form is horrible.
I suspect that we non-rowers will never get our erg form down well enough to earn any respect from the real rowers...
No no I knew what you meant (though I did have to look up what an upright row was). I may not have been being clear. What I was saying was that, given that Crossfit seems to be endorsing poor rowing machine form, I wouldn't be surprised if that transferred over into other areas. That is to say, it's not that weightlifting itself is bad, it's that when you do things incorrectly and quickly, injuries happen.
Have your wife sit down with you and give you tips on how to row with good form. It's not super difficult or complex, but I suspect it's really easy to bake in bad habits. Concept 2 also has a lot of good videos on this.1 -
barbell upright row can be done properly...wide grip, limited ROM (lower pec, elbow bend max perpendicular/90 degrees/not high enough to begin internal rotation)
-wouldn't believe how difficult it is to google image a correct/safer variation just using the term "upright row" (part of the problem being too many people do this wrong whether gripping too close or using too much ROM)2
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