I want to wake up at the top of a sleep cycle, ideas?
TimothyIvory
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Hi guys, I'm using sleep cycle app but sometimes I still wake up tired. I want to find if there is a better option.
Ideally, I want a dedicated device that tracks my sleep cycle and has an alarm to it. I will set an alarm and it will wake me up within 90 from the target to ensure I'm at the top of sleep cycle. I'll pay hundreds of dollars for this. Please help!
Ideally, I want a dedicated device that tracks my sleep cycle and has an alarm to it. I will set an alarm and it will wake me up within 90 from the target to ensure I'm at the top of sleep cycle. I'll pay hundreds of dollars for this. Please help!
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How many hours sleep do you get?1
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You need 5 or 6 complete cycles for best results. I know, because I usually get 3 and rarely 4.0
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If you’re getting a full night’s sleep but still feel tired, then you need to see your doctor. That’s a symptom of sleep apnea, which is very common and can be dangerous if not treated.10
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Maybe one of these would be of interest:
https://www.sleep.org/articles/the-latest-sleep-trackers-that-attach-to-your-wrist/
https://www.smartnora.com/blogs/nora-blogs/the-4-best-sleep-trackers-of-2019
There's also ResMedS+ and some similar: https://sleeptrackers.io/sleep-trackers/bedroom/
Probably most have something like this: https://splus.resmed.com/faqs/how-to-get-the-most-from-your-splus/
If you are sleeping a good number of hours and not feeling rested, I agree that it might be something to check out and not just about when the alarm goes off.3 -
Between 6 and 8 hours (if I'm lucky). Sometimes I feel good with 4 hours. Sometimes I feel tired after 8 hours. Most often, I'll sleep around 6ish and wake up on my own. Even if I'm tired, I can't go back to sleep. When that happens, I know I'm going to have "one of those" days.
My hypothesis is that I'm waking up in some of the times at the bottom of the sleep cycle, which I understand will cause one to feel fatigued throughout the day. This is especially the case when I'm setting the alarm.
I find it surprising there isn't an alarm clock with an accelerometer on it that is higher quality than a cell phone so I can track sleep cycle.
Lemurcat has some nice ideas to check out, thanks. Keep em coming
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Get formally diagnosed if you think there might be a problem. Sleep apnea is a risk factor for heart disease, as I understand it (what they told me when I was diagnosed).2
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wtf, i don't think I have a medical issue, damn. I want a device to wake me up on top of a sleep cycle, not feed into a self fulfilling prophecy of hypochondriac-ism. Thinking negative *kitten*, attracts negative *kitten*, because you feel negative... my bad, don't like insinuations here.19
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TimothyIvory wrote: »wtf, i don't think I have a medical issue, damn. I want a device to wake me up on top of a sleep cycle, not feed into a self fulfilling prophecy of hypochondriac-ism. Thinking negative *kitten*, attracts negative *kitten*, because you feel negative... my bad, don't like insinuations here.
I can almost guarantee you that you don't actually GET sleep apnea by THINKING you have it.
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TimothyIvory wrote: »wtf, i don't think I have a medical issue, damn. I want a device to wake me up on top of a sleep cycle, not feed into a self fulfilling prophecy of hypochondriac-ism. Thinking negative *kitten*, attracts negative *kitten*, because you feel negative... my bad, don't like insinuations here.
I can almost guarantee you that you don't actually GET sleep apnea by THINKING you have it.
Well this thread took an unexpected turn. I don't think any physical health issue manifests itself via thinking you have it. That would be awfully impressive though.3 -
TimothyIvory wrote: »Between 6 and 8 hours (if I'm lucky). Sometimes I feel good with 4 hours. Sometimes I feel tired after 8 hours. Most often, I'll sleep around 6ish and wake up on my own. Even if I'm tired, I can't go back to sleep. When that happens, I know I'm going to have "one of those" days.
My hypothesis is that I'm waking up in some of the times at the bottom of the sleep cycle, which I understand will cause one to feel fatigued throughout the day. This is especially the case when I'm setting the alarm.
I find it surprising there isn't an alarm clock with an accelerometer on it that is higher quality than a cell phone so I can track sleep cycle.
Lemurcat has some nice ideas to check out, thanks. Keep em coming
If you are only getting 6 hours most nights then the issue is not your sleep cycle app or not having the right alarm clock, but not getting enough sleep. No amount of trying to "hack" your sleep cycle will make up for not getting enough of it.8 -
That's what I'm starting to think to, but the thing is, 3 out of 4 days are okay! I will do both. I will adjust my sleep time for 730 hours and if that isn't enough, 9 hours. I will do what my body wants. I've found a few devices I might try. It's important to FIRST determine if this is a sleep cycle issue.
Guys, what you think you become or manifest, or most likely increase your percentage of "something" happening.
Hundreds of books about this idea. Water Crystals or Your Body Believes whatever you tell it.
CHOOSE to believe what you will.17 -
TimothyIvory wrote: »That's what I'm starting to think to, but the thing is, 3 out of 4 days are okay! I will do both. I will adjust my sleep time for 730 hours and if that isn't enough, 9 hours. I will do what my body wants. I've found a few devices I might try. It's important to FIRST determine if this is a sleep cycle issue.
Guys, what you think you become or manifest, or most likely increase your percentage of "something" happening.
Hundreds of books about this idea. Water Crystals or Your Body Believes whatever you tell it.
CHOOSE to believe what you will.
There's a huge difference in thinking of something (rationally considering a possibility), vs. perseverating on a possibility to the point of developing psychosomatic symptoms, or worse.
Yes, exercising control over one's thoughts is important. Rejecting possibilities reflexively, without due rational consideration, is an example of poor control.
Believing one can't even consider a possibility without causing the considered thing to happen is magical thinking, and not beneficial.11 -
Thanks, rational consideration given. I'm not ready to take a leap of going to see a doctor for sleep apnea when my concern is to simply optimize my sleep cycle. If things don't improve, I'll proceed from there.
Your point and reasoning is valid but give me some credit. There is a difference between momentary consideration and a constant beratement of negative ideas. Considering, researching, imagining worst case scenarios for every little thing isn't part of my mindset.9 -
TimothyIvory wrote: »Thanks, rational consideration given. I'm not ready to take a leap of going to see a doctor for sleep apnea when my concern is to simply optimize my sleep cycle. If things don't improve, I'll proceed from there.
Your point and reasoning is valid but give me some credit. There is a difference between momentary consideration and a constant beratement of negative ideas. Considering, researching, imagining worst case scenarios for every little thing isn't part of my mindset.
Outside of the pseudoscience and berating of others that you're doing (I'm not seeing that from anyone else honestly), you can't accurately figure out what sleep cycle you're in without the tools that are used in a sleep study. I would also argue that you're rather extreme reaction to the idea that you should probably see a doctor isn't a healthy mindset to be in. The worst that can happen is that you end up getting better sleep in the end (having sleep apnea and it getting treated will quickly lead to a better quality of sleep).10 -
I have three relatives with sleep apnea. This sounds like every one of them before they were diagnosed. Sleep apnea does not usually have symptoms other than feeling tired despite thinking you're getting a full night's rest, so none of them believed they might have it. My husband cancelled his sleep study a couple times and ultimately only did it because I kept insisting. My uncle didn't take the idea seriously until he fell asleep while driving.
Sleep apnea is not caused by negative thinking. It is usually caused by tissue in your throat blocking your airway while you sleep. This wakes you up momentarily--not long enough for you to be aware of it, but long enough to interfere with your rest--and it can happen many times during the night. The result is that you wake up thinking you got plenty of sleep, but still being tired. Obesity is a risk factor, but people who are not obese can also get it, and it's much more common in men.9 -
Dude, there is a *kitten* ton of data to back that up. Second, this thing you call science or doctors, I don't have full confidence in on the best of days. Most people aren't given the care there given, most treatments are not prescribed correctly and worst still, even when accurate, they have serious side effects.
It's only natural to react this way because I try to be optimistic as much as possible and in a way, having someone suggest I have a medical issue from nowhere is a form of mental pollution to me, even though I'm sure that is not there intention and it sounds like they have the disorder so they were acting out of kind intentions. That's admirable, thank you. Mentioning apnea is enough to keep it in the back of my mind, repeated suggestions to see a doctor isn't is gratuitous imo.
I would argue being extremely careful with whatever I feed my mind and emotions is a VERY healthful mindset. If you watch the NEWS or any TV shows or movies at all, you have no right at all to talk about healthy mindsets to me, someone who takes it rather seriously.
Guys, there is a sequence to events. Identify what could cause it and work with what you can to improve things. If that *kitten* don't work then SEE a doctor. In the end, no one will ever give as much attention and detail to your life as you. Before rushing to see a doctor, work out what you can on your own, as long as it isn't something serious, to avoid mis diagnosis, etc. Just premature imo.
Devices, apps, that's what I want to know!! Back on subject, PLEASE!
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TimothyIvory wrote: »Dude, there is a *kitten* ton of data to back that up. Second, this thing you call science or doctors, I don't have full confidence in on the best of days. Most people aren't given the care there given, most treatments are not prescribed correctly and worst still, even when accurate, they have serious side effects.
It's only natural to react this way because I try to be optimistic as much as possible and in a way, having someone suggest I have a medical issue from nowhere is a form of mental pollution to me, even though I'm sure that is not there intention and it sounds like they have the disorder so they were acting out of kind intentions. That's admirable, thank you. Mentioning apnea is enough to keep it in the back of my mind, repeated suggestions to see a doctor isn't is gratuitous imo.
I would argue being extremely careful with whatever I feed my mind and emotions is a VERY healthful mindset. If you watch the NEWS or any TV shows or movies at all, you have no right at all to talk about healthy mindsets to me, someone who takes it rather seriously.
Guys, there is a sequence to events. Identify what could cause it and work with what you can to improve things. If that *kitten* don't work then SEE a doctor. In the end, no one will ever give as much attention and detail to your life as you. Before rushing to see a doctor, work out what you can on your own, as long as it isn't something serious, to avoid mis diagnosis, etc. Just premature imo.
Devices, apps, that's what I want to know!! Back on subject, PLEASE!
Is there some reason why your Google isn't working for you? This is a specific (small niche) app you're looking to find. People have given suggestions and I am certain you haven't had the time to try them out yet.
Are you an app developer?
I mean, 1.) You can't control what people post in a public forum and 2.) This is not a huge issue. "Sleep Cycle Alarm Timing" seems pretty out there and isn't something that would necessarily have a broad customer base just because it's so vague. To me it sounds like micromanaging something before trying the big stuff (like a sleep study.) It feels like you're going at this out of order.8 -
Why so mad? Good question, cause I thought I was being chill and being polite by being considerate and saying thank you. It is digressing. I already mentioned I was able to find a few things and I'm open to other considerations.
This thread isn't turning out to be as helpful as I hoped.12 -
TimothyIvory wrote: »Why so mad? Good question, cause I thought I was being chill and being polite by being considerate and saying thank you. It is digressing. I already mentioned I was able to find a few things and I'm open to other considerations.
This thread isn't turning out to be as helpful as I hoped.
I would urge you to look at your second reply and all of the replies following that.9 -
If you are really up for paying hundreds of dollars for it, check out the ResMed S+ I mentioned, which has the kind of alarm you want and will let you see your sleep cycles, if you are waking up during the night, REM sleep minutes, etc. Or try one of the other devices in those links.7
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@TimothyIvory - do you drink coffee or any other caffeinated beverages?4
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TimothyIvory wrote: »Why so mad? Good question, cause I thought I was being chill and being polite by being considerate and saying thank you. It is digressing. I already mentioned I was able to find a few things and I'm open to other considerations.
This thread isn't turning out to be as helpful as I hoped.
There is only one person on this thread who sounds mad and it isn't anyone you replied to.11 -
<smdh>
This is why we can't have nice things.
As one who lived with undiagnosed sleep apnea for years, I can assure you that knowing what's wrong is the first step towards fixing it. If you're ok with being a driving risk, potential diabetes & heart disease, increased chance of dementia then do NOT move beyond denial & just keep doing what's not working for you. If you want a better quality of life, then a sleep study is your first logical move.
I can attest that getting adequate sleep (even if you have to wear an ugly CPAP mask) will make you less cranky, give you more energy, increase your productivity, help you lose weight, and brighten your overall disposition.7 -
MonaLisaLianne wrote: »<smdh>
This is why we can't have nice things.
As one who lived with undiagnosed sleep apnea for years, I can assure you that knowing what's wrong is the first step towards fixing it. If you're ok with being a driving risk, potential diabetes & heart disease, increased chance of dementia then do NOT move beyond denial & just keep doing what's not working for you. If you want a better quality of life, then a sleep study is your first logical move.
I can attest that getting adequate sleep (even if you have to wear an ugly CPAP mask) will make you less cranky, give you more energy, increase your productivity, help you lose weight, and brighten your overall disposition.
...not to mention increase your life span.
Completely agree that a sleep study is in the OP's best interests since the quality, depth and length of his sleep is of concern.
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MonaLisaLianne wrote: »<smdh>
This is why we can't have nice things.
As one who lived with undiagnosed sleep apnea for years, I can assure you that knowing what's wrong is the first step towards fixing it. If you're ok with being a driving risk, potential diabetes & heart disease, increased chance of dementia then do NOT move beyond denial & just keep doing what's not working for you. If you want a better quality of life, then a sleep study is your first logical move.
I can attest that getting adequate sleep (even if you have to wear an ugly CPAP mask) will make you less cranky, give you more energy, increase your productivity, help you lose weight, and brighten your overall disposition.
Yes, I have a different chronic condition and it was SUCH a relief when I was diagnosed.3 -
I’m almost scared to chime in... but here goes. I will withhold all commentary to avoid the wrath
https://ouraring.com3 -
TimothyIvory wrote: »wtf, i don't think I have a medical issue, damn. I want a device to wake me up on top of a sleep cycle, not feed into a self fulfilling prophecy of hypochondriac-ism. Thinking negative *kitten*, attracts negative *kitten*, because you feel negative... my bad, don't like insinuations here.
Well I was going to tell you what works for me ... but ... nah.8 -
I saw some clock thingy that has a light on it that gently wakes you up. I don't recall the name of it, someone was talking about it on INstagram. It starts glowing a gentle light to wake you up or something.
I don't know if it works like sleep cycle app (which I also have, but haven't been using these days - it picks up on my husband snoring so I don't know how accurate it is. I'm now just using my Fitbit one)
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I changed my waking up habits lately so that my alarm clock rings an hour later than it used to. I still wake up about the same time than I used to, but I feel so much energetic. My usual sleeping time is pretty accurately 7h 50min. Not sure if the change is due to sleep cycles but I like to think that way. The alarm clock is there just as a backup and I have always wake up before it. Naturally, this probably requires regular sleep rhythm before it can actually work, but for me, this is a perfect solution.0
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Sleep as Android: Sleep cycle tracker, smart alarm.
There are a lot others since I used that one years ago
You can set a must wake up time - and it will watch your movements, try to figure out your sleep cycles, and indeed wake at best time to avoid deep cycle before that time.
Con - must keep phone on bed to watch movements - which could make usage difficult.
It seemed to nail mine correctly when I used it, much like Fitbit does. Not sure if Fitbit, or add-on app, has the smart alarm ability.0
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