Calories or macro
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jojorobins
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Hi just wondering if anyone just counts calories or follow macros ?
And if only calories is it working?
And if only calories is it working?
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Calories alone will work, because science.
I personally follow macros (which ends up being calories at the end of the day anyway) because of specific goals - so I make sure I have the right protein and fat and carbs based on my needs at any point.
People also like to follow macros to see what makes them feel more satiated for example - like a lot of people who do high fat say that the more fat they eat the more full they feel. For me personally that doesn't work - I feel hungry and grumpy and sick when I eat super high fat.
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to lose weight you must be in a calorie deficit.
i only count calories and lost 55lbs (previously lost 100 twice in the past)3 -
The only way to lose weight is to be in a calorie deficit.
But I didn't start losing weight in significant numbers and keeping the weight off until I started counting macros.
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Counting calories and counting macros (if you have specific targets for each macro) comes out to be the same thing calorie-wise, because each macro has an approximate typical calorie level (fat 9 calories per gram, carbs and protein 4 calories per gram, alcohol 7 calories per gram).
Calories are the major determiner of weight loss, though individual perferences may mean that certain macros are more filling or energy-sustaining for specific people, making the reduced calories easier to sustain for the long haul of a serious weight loss effort. No one loses weight without controlling calories somehow; counting the calories is only one way to do it.
Macro levels have more to do with nutrition, thus health, body composition, athletic performance, energy level and that sort of thing.
I counted calories to lose weight, but paid attention to protein & fat macros along the way, because I wanted to be thin and healthy, not just thin, when I got done. Since I'm in year 3 of maintaining a healthy weight after several decades of obesity, it seems to have worked so far.3 -
Just calories for me. I have no medical or performance goals that would require constant monitoring of my macro split.
The only exception is if I have an event or training session coming up that will last longer than 2hrs (usually cycling or triathlon) in which case I'll try and up my carbs the few days prior and morning of a bit.
Other than that I just stick to my calorie target and let the macros fall where they may.0 -
@jojorobins I went the macros only route because for some reason it works for me. Did lose weight without effort and have maintained that loss over the past 4 years sticking with my LCHF macros without giving thought to total calories since they seem to manage themselves as long I keep my carbs under 50 grams daily.
The best way I expect in your case is a way that works for you and that you can stick with it.
Best of success.2 -
I do macros because I need to watch my carbs/sugar and it seems to help me lose weight also which is a plus!0
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for me, calories for weight loss/maintenance, macros for satiety3
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Calories as my overall "budget", tracking a higher than usual minimum protein allowance for muscle retention while dieting.
Fat and carbs looked after themselves and gave me a lot of flexibility within my overall calorie allowance. I have no reason to limit my carbs and frequently the opposite need for a high carb allowance to fuel my exercise optimally.
Yes it worked very well.3 -
For me, calories overall, then protein. I let fats and carbs fall where they may, but I always hit calories and protein2
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Macros ARE calories.
Carbs have 4 calories per gram.
Protein has 4 calories per gram.
Fat has 9 calories per gram.
Choose to track whichever is easier for you.
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Ok there is a lot of suspect stuff being said. I'd recommend reading Burn the Fat, Feed the muscle for a number of reasons.
Macros are calories, you should definitely understand your body type, you need to understand your TDEE and how macros actually work.10 -
AyoBenni2618 wrote: »Ok there is a lot of suspect stuff being said. I'd recommend reading Burn the Fat, Feed the muscle for a number of reasons.
Macros are calories, you should definitely understand your body type, you need to understand your TDEE and how macros actually work.
Where?
Whether macros are important to track depends on the individual's goals. Strength athletes will want to maximize macros, especially protein, but that isn't necessarily important to those who aren't strength athletes (or similar). It's good to read the audience and customize the answer to what they need and not what you need.12 -
Never worried much about macros other than getting adequate protein...other than that, I could give a *kitten* as long as my calories are in line I'm fine.2
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quiksylver296 wrote: »AyoBenni2618 wrote: »Ok there is a lot of suspect stuff being said. I'd recommend reading Burn the Fat, Feed the muscle for a number of reasons.
Macros are calories, you should definitely understand your body type, you need to understand your TDEE and how macros actually work.
Where?
Whether macros are important to track depends on the individual's goals. Strength athletes will want to maximize macros, especially protein, but that isn't necessarily important to those who aren't strength athletes (or similar). It's good to read the audience and customize the answer to what they need and not what you need.
Again I recommend reading the book. I won't call anyone out that's not called for. I'm not saying that book is the bible but out of the 5 I've read it was the best in regards to mentality and "diet"10 -
AyoBenni2618 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »AyoBenni2618 wrote: »Ok there is a lot of suspect stuff being said. I'd recommend reading Burn the Fat, Feed the muscle for a number of reasons.
Macros are calories, you should definitely understand your body type, you need to understand your TDEE and how macros actually work.
Where?
Whether macros are important to track depends on the individual's goals. Strength athletes will want to maximize macros, especially protein, but that isn't necessarily important to those who aren't strength athletes (or similar). It's good to read the audience and customize the answer to what they need and not what you need.
Again I recommend reading the book. I won't call anyone out that's not called for. I'm not saying that book is the bible but out of the 5 I've read it was the best in regards to mentality and "diet"
The whole point of the forum is so that we can exchange ideas. If you've picked up some ideas that are worth putting forward, you should do so.
I am not going to buy a book to find out what it says.
Make sense to you?6 -
Library perhaps? Maybe I'll take a look myself. Sure you can lose weight eating bs food if you eat little enough, but your bloodwork and organs aren't going to like it. Some nutritional consideration is needed. There are people take it to a level most aren't willing to go, and that's fine. You don't have to be interested in it or pay it any mind, but understanding nutrition is beneficial either way4
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OP asked if she could just count calories or needed to worry about macros. Most responses said that you can just count calories, but mentioned advantages to paying attention to macros. Not sure what about that is suspect or means everyone is saying to not consider nutrition
OP, I started out just counting calories, and generally trying to eat a balanced diet. I was losing as expected but sometimes struggled with hunger. I looked back at my diary and realized I was hardly ever hitting my protein and fiber goals. Once I brought those up to goal, I was good to go. I lost 20 lbs a couple of years ago and have been maintaining since.
IMHO a book by a personal trainer would not be my first suggestion to someone looking to learn about what to eat.
But OP didn't say she doesn't know what to eat, just wondered what other people are tracking and how it's working.7 -
Library perhaps? Maybe I'll take a look myself. Sure you can lose weight eating bs food if you eat little enough, but your bloodwork and organs aren't going to like it. Some nutritional consideration is needed. There are people take it to a level most aren't willing to go, and that's fine. You don't have to be interested in it or pay it any mind, but understanding nutrition is beneficial either way
BS food? Have most of us advocated eating super small amounts of that, or recommended bad nutrition? I'm pretty sure I didn't.
Nutrition is important. I won't even go with the "only protein matters" theory, personally: Fats matter, too, and so do micros (my preferred way of dealing with that is to eat at least 5+, ideally 10+ servings of varied, colorful veg/fruits daily). I think some a few nutrition-conscious folks here ignore fats partly because they get plenty of them without much effort (I can come out low on them if I don't pay attention, so I pay attention).
But I ate plenty (waayyy plenty) of nutritious food for years, and trained regularly . . . but stayed obese. Healthy food in excess is not the route to healthy weight . . . because calories.4 -
Relax, the book I recommended does more than recommend what to eat.
It also recommends joining this app along with his. Regardless, my statement remains the same. No matter what your goal is there is a reason you pay some attention to the macros, which that book explains WHY.
Instead of me regurgitating my interpretation of what I read I directed her to check it out. I personally don't recommend anything without some type of reference because I am not a subject matter expert.
I know it has allowed me to take my training and physique to a different level because I hit a plateau and lost motivation.
I digress, continue making your recommendations. Help her and don't criticize me for how I make opinions.5 -
I eat the macros that gives me the best pain management for my Ankylosing Spondylitis and let the calories run wild so I eat when I am hungry until I get full and repeat that when I get hungry again. The macro that I landed on nearly 5 years ago is Low Carb High Fat Med Protein with LC meaning 50 grams of carbs daily in my case.
I did not know about the gut microbiome back in 2014 but my Way Of Eating seems to be good for it.
https://plexusworldwide.com/sunnyshare/trust-your-gut/benefits-healthy-microbiome3 -
Library perhaps? Maybe I'll take a look myself. Sure you can lose weight eating bs food if you eat little enough, but your bloodwork and organs aren't going to like it. Some nutritional consideration is needed. There are people take it to a level most aren't willing to go, and that's fine. You don't have to be interested in it or pay it any mind, but understanding nutrition is beneficial either way
I'll bet based on the tone of your post that you'd 100% consider practically all the food that I eat to be what you describe as "bs food". Due to my workload and schedule I pretty much live on takeaway and pre-made meals. I eat more or less the exact same foods I did when I was 160kg only now I keep it under control and within my calorie target. In the last 18 months:
- I've lost 100lbs
- I've gone from Dr's being 'very concerned' about my longevity to my last bloods and health markers being, quote, "just really great. Amazing. Everything is where it should be now."
- I've gone from being unable to take the stairs at work to completing triathlons
Stick around here long enough and you'll see I'm FAR from alone when it comes to getting results with "bs foods" with all the blood tests and organ health markers to back it up.5 -
In general, I try to make healthier choices but don't pay any attention to exactly how that breaks down. Calories only for me.0
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AyoBenni2618 wrote: »Ok there is a lot of suspect stuff being said. I'd recommend reading Burn the Fat, Feed the muscle for a number of reasons.
Macros are calories, you should definitely understand your body type, you need to understand your TDEE and how macros actually work.
I've read the book, and I don't consider much of what's being said contrary to what the book says.
The book is pretty good (I read it before I started at MFP in '14 and found it quite inspiring in terms of understanding I had control over whether I gained, lost, or maintained) but for the body type stuff which has been totally debunked.
Most people get enough protein, fat, and carbs for their goals without specifically watching them, and you absolutely don't need to watch them to lose weight if calories are on point. Personally I think calories + eating a nutritious diet are what best serve health, and macros can fall within a quite broad range. (Confusing macros with eating a nutritious diet, as someone else did, is rather silly.)
However, when cutting, it can be helpful to make sure protein is high enough to best maintain muscle, especially if one is on lower cals or just doesn't naturally gravitate to a diet that provides more protein. Carbs vs. fat are unlikely to matter much unless one has specific athletic goals or medical concerns (cutting fat too low is not good, but I don't think most do that without actively trying to).3
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