Is a calorie a calorie?
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ready2lose2101 wrote: »Maybe I'm completely wrong but I always thought that a calorie is a calorie and the nutritional value of those calories can affect your hunger level, mood, etc.
For instance, if I decide to eat 3 glazed doughnuts to meet my allotted calories for the day, I assume I can but I'd be starving an hour afterward. However, if I decide to spread out my caloric intake to include fruits, veggies, complex carbohydrates, to meet that daily goal, it'll be more beneficial with respect to filling full longer, etc.
That's my 2 cents anyway.
@ready2lose2101 here is a link that addresses the mystical nature of the statement that a calorie is a calorie. It is more or less a word game for some.
https://healthline.com/nutrition/6-reasons-why-a-calorie-is-not-a-calorie
6 Reasons Why a Calorie Is Not a Calorie
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corinasue1143 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »lauragreenbaum wrote: »I'm on a roll today, but I just read this from someone who made this comment. I just saw "Fed Up" and one of the things I found interesting was that two calories may not be the same. The example they used was, if you eat 160 calories of almonds, there is a lot of fiber and protein in that so it takes longer to digest and the whole process burns some of those calories. Whereas, if you drink a 160 calorie Coke, it's almost all sugar which goes straight to your organs that process it and the body can do nothing with all that sugar other than convert it to fat. Thoughts?
That's like saying a mile isn't a mile because you can run it faster than you can walk it...it's still a mile. A calorie is just a unit of measure like an inch or a mile or a watt or whatever.
Different foods have different TEF (Thermic Effect of Food)...ie the energy it requires to digest. Yes, higher fiber foods and proteins require more energy to digest, but in the big picture that is your diet on the whole, this is majoring in the minors...in the context of your diet on the whole, this all comes out in the wash.
In terms of sugar being stored as fat, that's just not true. You can't have net fat storage in a calorie deficit or at maintenance calories...your body can only store fat when energy (calories) consumed exceed what the body requires. In absence of a calorie surplus, the sugar from the soda is going to be stored as glycogen in the liver.
Yes a mile is a mile, but are you uphill looking down, or downhill looking up?
Kind of like if a tree falls in the forest when no one’s around, isn’t it.
Probably almost as many answers to original question as there are people who answer it.
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Just learned some interesting info about calories. The calorie measure at current date, isn’t hard and fast. It’s an estimation of the food’s stored energy and there are factors that affect how many calories an individual body takes in as opposed to excretes as waste based on the gut health/bacterial population. Also, some foods react differently to different bacteria in the gut. Certain foods can also affect the makeup of your gut bacteria, so that whole a calorie is a calorie argument doesn’t really take into account new research about gut health, digestion, and how food affects your gut health. There’s some interesting info out there about gut bacteria being regional based on food intake and when a person changes their region, what they eat changes, which changes their gut bacteria.
Oh and here's the link: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/gut-bacteria-and-weight#section6
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lauragreenbaum wrote: »I'm on a roll today, but I just read this from someone who made this comment. I just saw "Fed Up" and one of the things I found interesting was that two calories may not be the same. The example they used was, if you eat 160 calories of almonds, there is a lot of fiber and protein in that so it takes longer to digest and the whole process burns some of those calories. Whereas, if you drink a 160 calorie Coke, it's almost all sugar which goes straight to your organs that process it and the body can do nothing with all that sugar other than convert it to fat. Thoughts?
Let's say I go for a walk to get my steps in, and find a $20 bill on the sidewalk. No one is walking around looking for anything, so score!! Now, what am I going to do with my newfound riches?
I could give it to charity, there are people starving in this world. I could buy a pair of gloves, mine have a hole in them and winter is coming, like Game of Thrones. Or I could even spend it on drugs, they legalized marijuana in my state and people buy it in stores now.
If I give it to charity something good will come of it, like eating almonds and getting fiber. Buying drugs would be a waste, like the sugar without nutrients in your example.
But all dollars have the same worth (purchasing power).
If I want to buy a house and retire, I should focus on budgeting my money, because a penny saved is a penny earned. If I want to lose weight, I should focus on budgeting my calories, because like dollars, all calories have the same effect on my weight. If I want to be healthy I should eat well and not abuse drugs.
And there's the rub: knowledge is useful to help you achieve your goals, and how you go about that depends what you're trying to do.3 -
I tend to think of a person as closed system which oxidises the chemicals we eat, producing water, carbon dioxide, urea (and a few other chemicals) and energy which gets converted to heat, either inside the body or outside (such as in an exercise machine). Any unoxidised material gets passed through the body and flushed down the toilet. That might be seeds, apple stalks etc.
Suppose a person eats a substance which requires a large amount of energy to digest, such as protein. The net effect is the same, it doesn't matter how many organic chemical pathways (Google image it) are required, how many hormones etc are needed. If you start off at one chemical (protein), you can take one of many thousands of pathways and the energy produced will be the same once you arrive at water, carbon dioxide and urea. I know this because if you were able to create different amounts of energy, depending on which pathway you used, you'd be able to create unlimited energy by going down one pathway (which produced more energy) and going back the other pathway (which produced less energy) in the opposite direction.1 -
A calorie is a calorie but the way your body uses that calorie varies massively, 160 calories of coke will do little but give you a sugar rush and then get stored as glycogen and then turned into fat if not burned off. Where your calories come from definitely makes a difference
I am a 163cm female weighing 64kg and I eat 2.5-3k calories most days and am losing fat/weight while also building muscle because I am very strict about where my calories come from, if I was eating 3k calories high carb junk food a day I'd be piling the weight on20 -
Gut research is promising but still very recent. There is too much we don't know with certainty while they do more long-term studies.
Forums are about debate. And just because they are citing medical knowledge backed up by much longer studies around calories doesn't make them uninformed.3 -
I think we should start saying Energy in Energy out instead of Calories in Calories out. Using the word calories seems to confuse many....4
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