Shortage of Broccoli!
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BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »lesdarts180 wrote: »I do, of course, use all sorts of salad veg and my cupboards and fridge are full of veggies. My children tease me that there's nothing but fruit and veg in the house. I'm not vegetarian but I do max out on veg. This was really just meant to be a light-hearted discussion of alternatives given the current shortage of two of my favourites.
@BarbaraHelen2013 ,I'm trying not to think about Brexit and what may happen after October 31st.
I’m pretty sure normal daily life will carry on as usual! There may be the odd blip as supply chains are readjusted but honestly, all the ‘end of the world’ hype that certain media outlets love to generate is just that...baseless hype designed to get the hard of thinking in panic mode because that gives them more stories to sensationalise!
I have every faith that there will still be abundant food and resources available. The very worst that might happen is that we have to adjust our buying habits temporarily to encompass fresh, local seasonal produce more than expensive hot house imports. But I’m one who thinks that’s not actually a worst case scenario, anyway!
Actually...the most likely thing will be shortage of loo roll, because that’s what people always hoard in times of uncertainty in Britain! 😂🤷♀️
Do you think that we produce enough of that for everyone, in late October / early November?8 -
Nope, probably not, if you’re talking about the summer produce. But it depends on what fresh vegetables you’re looking for. Long before we imported so much of our produce people did eat vegetables. Cabbages, leeks, marrow/courgette, carrots, sprouts, swede, turnip, parsnips (yuk), onions...and don’t forget long term storage has moved on since those days. Ethane filled storage facilities can keep fruit and vegetables in virtually fresh picked state until demand calls for shipment. Yes, the clock starts at that point, but that’s no different than loading a cabbage onto a truck straight from the field.
Whilst I totally agree with those above who don’t like frozen broccoli or cauliflower due to the mushy texture there are vegetables that survive the freezing process better than others. Most people will have a bag of frozen peas in their freezers as they sit and read this, I’m sure! I know I have broad beans, fine green beans, peas and spinach in the freezer at all times.
It’s also true that we import a lot of things from outside the EU anyway. Those trade agreements should not be disrupted.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m definitely a ‘remainer’ but I honestly doubt the entirety of the UK is going to slump into a malnutrition induced haze due to Brexit! I could, however, be wrong and it will be the end of the world! 😱😉5 -
Interesting info & videos on broccoli
https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/broccoli/
About frozen vs fresh, this dr also suggests that frozen loses sulforaphane bioavailability and this could be countered by adding mustard powder.
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Well, I went shopping this morning. First to the Co-op supermarket where I do most of my shopping. The sugarsnaps were from Peru, the brussel sprouts from South Africa, even the frozen broccoli was from Portugal. They didn't have any cauli or ordinary broccoli but they did have tenderstem broccoli from Worcestershire (which is only an hour up the road) so I got that. I also got british carrots, lettuce, cucumber, and mushrooms.
Second, I looked in the greengrocer (where I ought to shop more) and they did have broccoli but no cauli, however, they did have romanesque (have I spelt that properly?) which I do like but is a bit pricey, and anyway, I already had the tenderstem.
Then, in the interests of research I went to ASDA - which had British broccoli, and cauli from Holland. I have to admit, I bought a cauli.
I didn't visit Waitrose - perhaps I'll continue my research there tomorrow.4 -
Interesting info & videos on broccoli
https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/broccoli/
About frozen vs fresh, this dr also suggests that frozen loses sulforaphane bioavailability and this could be countered by adding mustard powder.
Interesting. I grow broccoli sprouts. They are very high in sulforaphne in the sprout state. Great on sandwiches and salads. Very easy to grow and store.0 -
BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »Nope, probably not, if you’re talking about the summer produce. But it depends on what fresh vegetables you’re looking for. Long before we imported so much of our produce people did eat vegetables. Cabbages, leeks, marrow/courgette, carrots, sprouts, swede, turnip, parsnips (yuk), onions...and don’t forget long term storage has moved on since those days. Ethane filled storage facilities can keep fruit and vegetables in virtually fresh picked state until demand calls for shipment. Yes, the clock starts at that point, but that’s no different than loading a cabbage onto a truck straight from the field.
Whilst I totally agree with those above who don’t like frozen broccoli or cauliflower due to the mushy texture there are vegetables that survive the freezing process better than others. Most people will have a bag of frozen peas in their freezers as they sit and read this, I’m sure! I know I have broad beans, fine green beans, peas and spinach in the freezer at all times.
It’s also true that we import a lot of things from outside the EU anyway. Those trade agreements should not be disrupted.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m definitely a ‘remainer’ but I honestly doubt the entirety of the UK is going to slump into a malnutrition induced haze due to Brexit! I could, however, be wrong and it will be the end of the world! 😱😉
Yes, yes they did. Of course, back in those days there were a lot fewer people and a lot more farming, so I'm not sure what your point is?
It doesn't matter how 'fresh' we can keep our fruit and veg when we just don't actually produce very much. And the people who've really been sounding the alarm on fresh fruit and veg aren't the media. They're the supermarkets. Who are probably in a position to know.7 -
BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »Nope, probably not, if you’re talking about the summer produce. But it depends on what fresh vegetables you’re looking for. Long before we imported so much of our produce people did eat vegetables. Cabbages, leeks, marrow/courgette, carrots, sprouts, swede, turnip, parsnips (yuk), onions...and don’t forget long term storage has moved on since those days. Ethane filled storage facilities can keep fruit and vegetables in virtually fresh picked state until demand calls for shipment. Yes, the clock starts at that point, but that’s no different than loading a cabbage onto a truck straight from the field.
Whilst I totally agree with those above who don’t like frozen broccoli or cauliflower due to the mushy texture there are vegetables that survive the freezing process better than others. Most people will have a bag of frozen peas in their freezers as they sit and read this, I’m sure! I know I have broad beans, fine green beans, peas and spinach in the freezer at all times.
It’s also true that we import a lot of things from outside the EU anyway. Those trade agreements should not be disrupted.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m definitely a ‘remainer’ but I honestly doubt the entirety of the UK is going to slump into a malnutrition induced haze due to Brexit! I could, however, be wrong and it will be the end of the world! 😱😉
Yes, yes they did. Of course, back in those days there were a lot fewer people and a lot more farming, so I'm not sure what your point is?
It doesn't matter how 'fresh' we can keep our fruit and veg when we just don't actually produce very much. And the people who've really been sounding the alarm on fresh fruit and veg aren't the media. They're the supermarkets. Who are probably in a position to know.
I didn’t really originally have a point! I originally just made a slightly tongue in cheek reference to Brexit, which then appeared to be taken up as a serious worry so I was just trying to sound a voice of reassurance and reason. I’ll shut up now though! 😊6 -
missysippy930 wrote: »If I didn’t buy fresh veggies cuz they’re not locally grown, I wouldn’t have fresh veggies/fruit for most of the year. I prefer my veggies al dente, or raw, so I buy fresh. I don’t like mushy vegetables, for the most part.
I'm the same but for some greens that I buy frozen and tomatoes which I buy canned in the winter since I hate non-local tomatoes for the most part.
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BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »Nope, probably not, if you’re talking about the summer produce. But it depends on what fresh vegetables you’re looking for. Long before we imported so much of our produce people did eat vegetables. Cabbages, leeks, marrow/courgette, carrots, sprouts, swede, turnip, parsnips (yuk), onions...and don’t forget long term storage has moved on since those days. Ethane filled storage facilities can keep fruit and vegetables in virtually fresh picked state until demand calls for shipment. Yes, the clock starts at that point, but that’s no different than loading a cabbage onto a truck straight from the field.
Whilst I totally agree with those above who don’t like frozen broccoli or cauliflower due to the mushy texture there are vegetables that survive the freezing process better than others. Most people will have a bag of frozen peas in their freezers as they sit and read this, I’m sure! I know I have broad beans, fine green beans, peas and spinach in the freezer at all times.
It’s also true that we import a lot of things from outside the EU anyway. Those trade agreements should not be disrupted.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m definitely a ‘remainer’ but I honestly doubt the entirety of the UK is going to slump into a malnutrition induced haze due to Brexit! I could, however, be wrong and it will be the end of the world! 😱😉
Yes, yes they did. Of course, back in those days there were a lot fewer people and a lot more farming, so I'm not sure what your point is?
It doesn't matter how 'fresh' we can keep our fruit and veg when we just don't actually produce very much. And the people who've really been sounding the alarm on fresh fruit and veg aren't the media. They're the supermarkets. Who are probably in a position to know.
I didn’t really originally have a point! I originally just made a slightly tongue in cheek reference to Brexit, which then appeared to be taken up as a serious worry so I was just trying to sound a voice of reassurance and reason. I’ll shut up now though! 😊
The reason that Brexit was taken up as a serious worry is that it is actually a serious worry. The supermarkets first warned about the possibility of fresh produce shortages back in February.6 -
(...but in the meantime, I'd recommend courgette. Or maybe marrow, if anyone still sells marrows.)1
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lesdarts180 wrote: »Well, I went shopping this morning. First to the Co-op supermarket where I do most of my shopping. The sugarsnaps were from Peru, the brussel sprouts from South Africa, even the frozen broccoli was from Portugal. They didn't have any cauli or ordinary broccoli but they did have tenderstem broccoli from Worcestershire (which is only an hour up the road) so I got that. I also got british carrots, lettuce, cucumber, and mushrooms.
Second, I looked in the greengrocer (where I ought to shop more) and they did have broccoli but no cauli, however, they did have romanesque (have I spelt that properly?) which I do like but is a bit pricey, and anyway, I already had the tenderstem.
Then, in the interests of research I went to ASDA - which had British broccoli, and cauli from Holland. I have to admit, I bought a cauli.
I didn't visit Waitrose - perhaps I'll continue my research there tomorrow.
Interesting they are from so far away in many cases at this time of year.
I can get locally (from a green market that local farmers go to, as well as my garden and farm subscription) all the things I mentioned and more right around here, as well as broccoli and cauli, and it's been a generally bad agricultural year due to rain. I wouldn't have thought the UK was so different. I do live in a farm state, but most of that is BigAg, so corn/soybeans (where the harvest has been a disaster), so again I wouldn't have thought it was so different.
Interesting to learn things.
Of course, I do buy plenty of imported things that won't grow around here -- avocados, clementines, various frozen greens and fruit and veg in the winter/early spring.1 -
A marrow is what happens when a courgette grows up
Essentially a slightly bitter but fairly neutral-tasting squash that's nice stuffed. 4 -
A marrow is what happens when a courgette grows up Essentially a slightly bitter but fairly neutral-tasting squash that's nice stuffed.
Oh, cool, thanks! The diversity in squashes and what they are called all over the English-speaking world is fascinating. Doesn't help that here in the US a lot of them are just called "squash" even though they are clearly different things because they simply aren't very popular. Lots of "summer squashes" and "winter squashes" as a catch all. Luckily they are getting more popular.
I hope you guys don't get the worst case scenario fresh-food-wise. I don't think people realize how specialized factory farming has become. The weather here in Virginia is conducive to all sorts of crops, but many large farms (and even some small family farms) specialize in just the crops that give them the best chance at profitability and stuff that could be grown here simply isn't.5 -
lesdarts180 wrote: »Well, I went shopping this morning. First to the Co-op supermarket where I do most of my shopping. The sugarsnaps were from Peru, the brussel sprouts from South Africa, even the frozen broccoli was from Portugal. They didn't have any cauli or ordinary broccoli but they did have tenderstem broccoli from Worcestershire (which is only an hour up the road) so I got that. I also got british carrots, lettuce, cucumber, and mushrooms.
Second, I looked in the greengrocer (where I ought to shop more) and they did have broccoli but no cauli, however, they did have romanesque (have I spelt that properly?) which I do like but is a bit pricey, and anyway, I already had the tenderstem.
Then, in the interests of research I went to ASDA - which had British broccoli, and cauli from Holland. I have to admit, I bought a cauli.
I didn't visit Waitrose - perhaps I'll continue my research there tomorrow.
Note that I also am pretty sure that brussles sprouts aren't in season in the northern hemisphere. Yeah you can get them year round, but don't be surprised if they're not grown locally for most of the year.0 -
I often default to cabbage if broccoli and cauliflower aren't available or are particularly pricey.1
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A marrow is what happens when a courgette grows up Essentially a slightly bitter but fairly neutral-tasting squash that's nice stuffed.
I hope you guys don't get the worst case scenario fresh-food-wise. I don't think people realize how specialized factory farming has become. The weather here in Virginia is conducive to all sorts of crops, but many large farms (and even some small family farms) specialize in just the crops that give them the best chance at profitability and stuff that could be grown here simply isn't.
Pretty specialized throughout the country. Here, it’s pretty much corn and soybeans, but farmers markets are very popular with a very nice variety of veggies and berries. Soon apples will be coming in.
I have to admit, I had to Google courgette when I first saw it🤷🏻♀️2 -
Has anyone seen a pomegranate? I've been busy and only checked out two stores, 40 grams really help with breakfast. I know they are imported, I should consider air miles, they can't be caught up in the promised mayhem, can they.0
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I’m not in the UK (I’m in NYC) but I read this on BBC the other day about produce wilting last month in the UK from extreme weather which is causing the local produce shortage. Bummer!
Link- https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-49330210
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BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »Nope, probably not, if you’re talking about the summer produce. But it depends on what fresh vegetables you’re looking for. Long before we imported so much of our produce people did eat vegetables. Cabbages, leeks, marrow/courgette, carrots, sprouts, swede, turnip, parsnips (yuk), onions...and don’t forget long term storage has moved on since those days. Ethane filled storage facilities can keep fruit and vegetables in virtually fresh picked state until demand calls for shipment. Yes, the clock starts at that point, but that’s no different than loading a cabbage onto a truck straight from the field.
Whilst I totally agree with those above who don’t like frozen broccoli or cauliflower due to the mushy texture there are vegetables that survive the freezing process better than others. Most people will have a bag of frozen peas in their freezers as they sit and read this, I’m sure! I know I have broad beans, fine green beans, peas and spinach in the freezer at all times.
It’s also true that we import a lot of things from outside the EU anyway. Those trade agreements should not be disrupted.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m definitely a ‘remainer’ but I honestly doubt the entirety of the UK is going to slump into a malnutrition induced haze due to Brexit! I could, however, be wrong and it will be the end of the world! 😱😉
Yes, frozen peas are indeed a staple that I have on hand at all times. I also grow them in the spring. (I'm near Boston.) Haven't had much luck with fall crops, but planted a few seeds yesterday when I was planting spinach, for which I have higher hopes.
I also have spinach in the freezer.
Cabbage and carrots do keep quite well - I stock up when they are on sale for St. Patrick's Day in March and have enough for a few months.1
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