Cheat Meal

Couple questions related to this. Do you guys train on cheat days? How about before/after cheat meals? Do you train fasted the day after a cheat day/late cheat meal to utilize the extra glycogen? Also I read everywhere that's it's like 1000x better. Not really but significantly better to do a cheat meal right after your workout aka it's important to workout before an enormous cheat meal. Probably like 10,000 calories+.
And somewhere else I read that if you worked out yesterday or 24-72 hours before, the Muscle protein synthesis would still be active and therefore it would somewhat negate you not working out before the cheat. Thoughts? What's your routine for before/during/after cheat day/big meal(s)

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  • MikePTY
    MikePTY Posts: 3,814 Member
    It's highly unlikely you'd eat 10k plus calories in a meal. Sure 2-3k maybe but getting much more than that takes a whole lot of work.

    The few times I've gone up that high (2—5k) since I have been on my weight loss journey has been for special occasions (birthdays, weddings, etc), and I don't alter my routine around it. Ultimately the much better option is to have those days be a rare occasion and not try to develop a whole training plan around it.
  • tec9goo
    tec9goo Posts: 119 Member
    Don't you already have another thread on this? You're really overthinking the timing issue - how many calories you eat and how many calories you burn, consistently, over a period of time (weeks) is way, WAY more important than what time you eat or workout on a given day.

    I'm not sure I do but I'll see. Also i know that consistency is key but i was just wondering because there are articles that gives guides on how to get the most or how to best utilize cheat days. I'm just trying to get that little "boost" ya know
  • tec9goo
    tec9goo Posts: 119 Member
    sardelsa wrote: »
    Don't you already have another thread on this? You're really overthinking the timing issue - how many calories you eat and how many calories you burn, consistently, over a period of time (weeks) is way, WAY more important than what time you eat or workout on a given day.

    This. You are way overthinking it. I do refeeds and most of my workouts are the day of or after, honestly I just go with the flow.. in a bulk my calories are so high so my "cheat day" is everyday so it doesn't matter.

    How has your progress been the past few months?

    Do you fast and train the day after?(since you have all that glycogen in your system)
  • tec9goo
    tec9goo Posts: 119 Member
    MikePTY wrote: »
    It's highly unlikely you'd eat 10k plus calories in a meal. Sure 2-3k maybe but getting much more than that takes a whole lot of work.

    The few times I've gone up that high (2—5k) since I have been on my weight loss journey has been for special occasions (birthdays, weddings, etc), and I don't alter my routine around it. Ultimately the much better option is to have those days be a rare occasion and not try to develop a whole training plan around it.

    If you read my salad thread Haha you would know my stomach capacity is superb! The last time I ate at an all you an eat sushi, it was like 33 or 36 rolls in addition to appetizers and some ramen, sides etc...
  • tec9goo
    tec9goo Posts: 119 Member
    LyndaBSS wrote: »
    I don't believe in cheat meals or days. Why put a negative label on something you choose to eat?

    Eat it. Enjoy it. Log it. 💚

    I was wondering how to best utilize the cheat day or BIG meal
  • MikePTY
    MikePTY Posts: 3,814 Member
    tec9goo wrote: »
    MikePTY wrote: »
    It's highly unlikely you'd eat 10k plus calories in a meal. Sure 2-3k maybe but getting much more than that takes a whole lot of work.

    The few times I've gone up that high (2—5k) since I have been on my weight loss journey has been for special occasions (birthdays, weddings, etc), and I don't alter my routine around it. Ultimately the much better option is to have those days be a rare occasion and not try to develop a whole training plan around it.

    If you read my salad thread Haha you would know my stomach capacity is superb! The last time I ate at an all you an eat sushi, it was like 33 or 36 rolls in addition to appetizers and some ramen, sides etc...

    Do you mean 33-36 pieces of roll, or 33 full rolls, which would be about 200 sushi pieces?
  • tec9goo
    tec9goo Posts: 119 Member
    MikePTY wrote: »
    tec9goo wrote: »
    MikePTY wrote: »
    It's highly unlikely you'd eat 10k plus calories in a meal. Sure 2-3k maybe but getting much more than that takes a whole lot of work.

    The few times I've gone up that high (2—5k) since I have been on my weight loss journey has been for special occasions (birthdays, weddings, etc), and I don't alter my routine around it. Ultimately the much better option is to have those days be a rare occasion and not try to develop a whole training plan around it.

    If you read my salad thread Haha you would know my stomach capacity is superb! The last time I ate at an all you an eat sushi, it was like 33 or 36 rolls in addition to appetizers and some ramen, sides etc...

    Do you mean 33-36 pieces of roll, or 33 full rolls, which would be about 200 sushi pieces?

    Full. I know I'm a maniac but I do IF and eat big before workout then eat way bigger post.
  • tec9goo
    tec9goo Posts: 119 Member
    MikePTY wrote: »
    tec9goo wrote: »
    MikePTY wrote: »
    It's highly unlikely you'd eat 10k plus calories in a meal. Sure 2-3k maybe but getting much more than that takes a whole lot of work.

    The few times I've gone up that high (2—5k) since I have been on my weight loss journey has been for special occasions (birthdays, weddings, etc), and I don't alter my routine around it. Ultimately the much better option is to have those days be a rare occasion and not try to develop a whole training plan around it.

    If you read my salad thread Haha you would know my stomach capacity is superb! The last time I ate at an all you an eat sushi, it was like 33 or 36 rolls in addition to appetizers and some ramen, sides etc...

    Do you mean 33-36 pieces of roll, or 33 full rolls, which would be about 200 sushi pieces?

    I dont know if it's from my fat kid days but my stomach capacity is enormous. I weighed myself after i got home that sushi night and the scale said 9 pound increase. Then I drank water and 13 pounds. I felt like a king haha
  • Gisel2015
    Gisel2015 Posts: 4,187 Member
    edited August 2019
    @tec9goo

    What is the purpose of having a cheat day? I never understood that, or what it is coming from when we are talking about our diet. If you want to eat something different or higher in calories, just do it Log it, exercise more and/or eat less the following day. If a cheat day carries you to a cheat week or month and you gain weight, then you know what the problem is.

    Do you know the definition of cheat; does it apply to an eating behavior?: Here it goes, and think if this is what you want to do with your diet (as a way of eating). Don't complicate things.

    cheat
    [CHēt]

    VERB
    act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
    "she always cheats at cards"

    avoid (something undesirable) by luck or skill.
    "she cheated death in a spectacular crash"

    synonyms:
    avoid · escape · evade · elude · [more]

    NOUN
    a person who behaves dishonestly in order to gain an advantage.
    "a liar and a cheat"
    synonyms:
    swindler · cheater · fraudster · [more]
  • LyndaBSS
    LyndaBSS Posts: 6,964 Member
    tec9goo wrote: »
    LyndaBSS wrote: »
    I don't believe in cheat meals or days. Why put a negative label on something you choose to eat?

    Eat it. Enjoy it. Log it. 💚

    I was wondering how to best utilize the cheat day or BIG meal

    I stand by my response. It was my answer to your question.

    Have a pleasant evening.
  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 10,093 Member
    tec9goo wrote: »
    MikePTY wrote: »
    tec9goo wrote: »
    MikePTY wrote: »
    It's highly unlikely you'd eat 10k plus calories in a meal. Sure 2-3k maybe but getting much more than that takes a whole lot of work.

    The few times I've gone up that high (2—5k) since I have been on my weight loss journey has been for special occasions (birthdays, weddings, etc), and I don't alter my routine around it. Ultimately the much better option is to have those days be a rare occasion and not try to develop a whole training plan around it.

    If you read my salad thread Haha you would know my stomach capacity is superb! The last time I ate at an all you an eat sushi, it was like 33 or 36 rolls in addition to appetizers and some ramen, sides etc...

    Do you mean 33-36 pieces of roll, or 33 full rolls, which would be about 200 sushi pieces?

    Full. I know I'm a maniac but I do IF and eat big before workout then eat way bigger post.

    If you're on a typical workout schedule, that means you're eating "big" at least three times a week and "way bigger" at least three times a week
    Those aren't "cheat meals." That's just your WOE.
  • tec9goo
    tec9goo Posts: 119 Member
    tec9goo wrote: »
    MikePTY wrote: »
    tec9goo wrote: »
    MikePTY wrote: »
    It's highly unlikely you'd eat 10k plus calories in a meal. Sure 2-3k maybe but getting much more than that takes a whole lot of work.

    The few times I've gone up that high (2—5k) since I have been on my weight loss journey has been for special occasions (birthdays, weddings, etc), and I don't alter my routine around it. Ultimately the much better option is to have those days be a rare occasion and not try to develop a whole training plan around it.

    If you read my salad thread Haha you would know my stomach capacity is superb! The last time I ate at an all you an eat sushi, it was like 33 or 36 rolls in addition to appetizers and some ramen, sides etc...

    Do you mean 33-36 pieces of roll, or 33 full rolls, which would be about 200 sushi pieces?

    Full. I know I'm a maniac but I do IF and eat big before workout then eat way bigger post.

    If you're on a typical workout schedule, that means you're eating "big" at least three times a week and "way bigger" at least three times a week
    Those aren't "cheat meals." That's just your WOE.

    What's a WOE?
  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 10,093 Member
    tec9goo wrote: »
    tec9goo wrote: »
    MikePTY wrote: »
    tec9goo wrote: »
    MikePTY wrote: »
    It's highly unlikely you'd eat 10k plus calories in a meal. Sure 2-3k maybe but getting much more than that takes a whole lot of work.

    The few times I've gone up that high (2—5k) since I have been on my weight loss journey has been for special occasions (birthdays, weddings, etc), and I don't alter my routine around it. Ultimately the much better option is to have those days be a rare occasion and not try to develop a whole training plan around it.

    If you read my salad thread Haha you would know my stomach capacity is superb! The last time I ate at an all you an eat sushi, it was like 33 or 36 rolls in addition to appetizers and some ramen, sides etc...

    Do you mean 33-36 pieces of roll, or 33 full rolls, which would be about 200 sushi pieces?

    Full. I know I'm a maniac but I do IF and eat big before workout then eat way bigger post.

    If you're on a typical workout schedule, that means you're eating "big" at least three times a week and "way bigger" at least three times a week
    Those aren't "cheat meals." That's just your WOE.

    What's a WOE?

    way of eating = diet (in the non-fad-sense) (what and when you eat, and any rules or principles etc. that guide what and when you eat)
  • bpetrosky
    bpetrosky Posts: 3,911 Member
    mmapags wrote: »
    I think cake will give you the boost you are looking for.

    Is it too early to suggest the infamous cake sandwich?
  • zebasschick
    zebasschick Posts: 1,067 Member
    every bodybuilder i've known - and i used to be into bodybuilding myself- doesn't fast. they keep their protein up all the time by eating 5 or 6 small meals instead of 3 larger ones and keeping enough protein in every meal to keep their body building muscle all the time.

    judging by the sushi thing, i'd say you're into exhibitionist eating - proud in a way of how much you can eat. my friend rick and all his buddies were like that. they ended up banned from all the local all-you-can-eat places. it's probably something to deal with.

    btw, i also don't think about cheat meals because i'm not cheating anyone or anything. when i lost weight before, i periodically worked in a big meal - this wednesay we're celebrating my son's birthday, and i'm having cake and whatever we're having. and i'm not going to worry about it. also, which is not always the case, the next day we're going to disneyland where i usually walk plenty of miles, so that should even it out.