Supplements
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corinasue1143 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »scottyaus2732 wrote: »Goal: 47 year old male looking to improve health markers and recomp body. 103kg about 20 percent BF, currently 109 kg and 28 percent BF. I still play sport (Masters AFL) and I want to be a beast on the field.
Must Haves: Magnesium, MCT’s (keto diet), a greens supplement, Adrenal switch, a general multi and Life Cykle mushroom extracts. Best quality food I can afford.
Nice to Haves: thinking about a desiccated liver tablet as no one in my house will eat liver with me. CBD products look interesting and I want a hormonal panel done and maybe TRT or HRT.
Waste of Time: Not sure I can put anything in here as people have different goals and needs, but are interested in other people’s decisions.
Cheers.
I despised the beef liver my mom used to make us growing up and always feed it to the dog when my mom stepped out of the dining room.
Because of my anemia, I do want to eat more iron rich foods, and liver tops the list of good heme sources of iron. I like liverwurst, but it's quite high in fat and I'd prefer something higher in protein.
I've started making chicken liver pate recently, and while I don't like the taste as much as liverwurst, it's edible. (This may sounds like dubious praise, but considering I am a hater, it's actually high praise.)
The recipe called for a half stick of butter; I used a non-stick pan and reduced the butter to 21 g. 2 oz has 101 calories and 24% of my RDA of iron. It didn't end up being higher in protein, but as it has considerably less fat than my liverwurst, it also has less calories.
https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1012954-creamy-chicken-liver-pate
We all love liver. This is how my mom made it. Caramelize onions. Cook liver until almost/barely done. She ground both liver and onions in a meat grinder, but how about a food processor. Put in a loaf pan, cover with bacon. Bake til bacon is done. We ate it like liverwurst.
DRAT! Made another batch today, too late for the bacon step. Will definitely try that next time.1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »scottyaus2732 wrote: »Goal: 47 year old male looking to improve health markers and recomp body. 103kg about 20 percent BF, currently 109 kg and 28 percent BF. I still play sport (Masters AFL) and I want to be a beast on the field.
Must Haves: Magnesium, MCT’s (keto diet), a greens supplement, Adrenal switch, a general multi and Life Cykle mushroom extracts. Best quality food I can afford.
Nice to Haves: thinking about a desiccated liver tablet as no one in my house will eat liver with me. CBD products look interesting and I want a hormonal panel done and maybe TRT or HRT.
Waste of Time: Not sure I can put anything in here as people have different goals and needs, but are interested in other people’s decisions.
Cheers.
I despised the beef liver my mom used to make us growing up and always feed it to the dog when my mom stepped out of the dining room.
Because of my anemia, I do want to eat more iron rich foods, and liver tops the list of good heme sources of iron. I like liverwurst, but it's quite high in fat and I'd prefer something higher in protein.
I've started making chicken liver pate recently, and while I don't like the taste as much as liverwurst, it's edible. (This may sounds like dubious praise, but considering I am a hater, it's actually high praise.)
The recipe called for a half stick of butter; I used a non-stick pan and reduced the butter to 21 g. 2 oz has 101 calories and 24% of my RDA of iron. It didn't end up being higher in protein, but as it has considerably less fat than my liverwurst, it also has less calories.
https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1012954-creamy-chicken-liver-pate
We all love liver. This is how my mom made it. Caramelize onions. Cook liver until almost/barely done. She ground both liver and onions in a meat grinder, but how about a food processor. Put in a loaf pan, cover with bacon. Bake til bacon is done. We ate it like liverwurst.
Sounds good, but like a lot of work when I can buy liverwurst. (I do cook liver with caramelized onions, but then I just eat it.) But you've inspired me to grill some onions to add to my next liverwurst sandwich.
The Bittman recipe made 26 oz for the same cost as 12 oz of Wellshire liverwurst, so there's that. Plus I like to cook
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1. Goals - lose weight and feel good
2. Must have supplements - prenatal as directed by my doctor. Previously took glucosamine and chondroitin for a medical problem, and will start taking again if problem resurfaces.
3. Acidophilus for painful gas during TOM (no, yogurt doesn't get the job done)
4. Anything that doesn't demonstrate actual improvement or treat a medical problem for me.1 -
So far the only trends I see are good food is number one.
Vitamin D
And mostly people tend to think supps are kinda a waste of time unless you know you need them.
Not what I was expecting, but why I started thread.2 -
Tedebearduff wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »scottyaus2732 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »scottyaus2732 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »
Didn’t follow format so I know nothing about you or your goals. But that is not that important.
Mount an argument for it.
What does "that" refer to?
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The entire pyramid? Not some specific element of it? I'm not sure I understand what saying the entire pyramid is "not that important" means. Are you saying that you disagree that calories, macronutrients, and micronutrients are more important to nutrition than meal time and supplements?
She/he is saying it's not relevant to the original post.
The sentence I asked OP about didn't mention relevance; it spoke about importance. I'm not sure this is worth pursuing, especially with a third-party offering explanations of what a post by the OP meant.2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Tedebearduff wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »scottyaus2732 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »scottyaus2732 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »
Didn’t follow format so I know nothing about you or your goals. But that is not that important.
Mount an argument for it.
What does "that" refer to?
Post 4
The entire pyramid? Not some specific element of it? I'm not sure I understand what saying the entire pyramid is "not that important" means. Are you saying that you disagree that calories, macronutrients, and micronutrients are more important to nutrition than meal time and supplements?
She/he is saying it's not relevant to the original post.
The sentence I asked OP about didn't mention relevance; it spoke about importance. I'm not sure this is worth pursuing, especially with a third-party offering explanations of what a post by the OP meant.
I will clarify.
I started this thread to get considered information that I and others could read and extrapolate. I set up a template that I thought could best achieve that.
Before I even got a chance to put my own thoughts in I got a diagram. Now no doubt that the diagram is meaningful, but it wasn’t meaningful to achieve what I was trying to achieve.
Let me explain. I am in a meal tracker which tracks calories macros etc etc. I stated that I was on a ketogenic diet. All should suggest that I have considered things like the picture demonstrates and I was narrowing down on supplements.
None the less and as stated in first post I was interested in considered opinions do I asked the poster to make and argument for what they posted. I got no such reply.
Hope that helps you understand what I meant and my mindset.3 -
scottyaus2732 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Tedebearduff wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »scottyaus2732 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »scottyaus2732 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »
Didn’t follow format so I know nothing about you or your goals. But that is not that important.
Mount an argument for it.
What does "that" refer to?
Post 4
The entire pyramid? Not some specific element of it? I'm not sure I understand what saying the entire pyramid is "not that important" means. Are you saying that you disagree that calories, macronutrients, and micronutrients are more important to nutrition than meal time and supplements?
She/he is saying it's not relevant to the original post.
The sentence I asked OP about didn't mention relevance; it spoke about importance. I'm not sure this is worth pursuing, especially with a third-party offering explanations of what a post by the OP meant.
I will clarify.
I started this thread to get considered information that I and others could read and extrapolate. I set up a template that I thought could best achieve that.
Before I even got a chance to put my own thoughts in I got a diagram. Now no doubt that the diagram is meaningful, but it wasn’t meaningful to achieve what I was trying to achieve.
Let me explain. I am in a meal tracker which tracks calories macros etc etc. I stated that I was on a ketogenic diet. All should suggest that I have considered things like the picture demonstrates and I was narrowing down on supplements.
None the less and as stated in first post I was interested in considered opinions do I asked the poster to make and argument for what they posted. I got no such reply.
Hope that helps you understand what I meant and my mindset.
I missed the keto part, but a guy here at work who does keto says that you should use that "diet rite" salt - it's a salt with potassium in it - and lots of it because of something to do with keto-stuff.
Sorry, he did explain it to me but I tend to let keto things go in one ear and out the other. I do remember that what he was explaining to me made sense at the time though. Something perhaps about having to replenish potassium because of too much fat. I don't know. Don't quote me on it, but he's been keto-ing for ages, has lost a tonne of weight (still going - he's still 40-sh kilos off his goal weight), and he's a PhD student who researchers stuff, so I'm assuming he researched this potassium salt thing and it's necessity in keto diets.
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You dump water on keto and have to work to stay hydrated.
Sodium, Potasium and Magnesium are important to to be replenished.
They are all electrolytes.
I am eating more high quality salt so Sodium is taken care of.
Taken and named Magenesium as a must supplement so it’s all good.
But I am struggling to get the Potasium intake. Have been looking at it and it’s not were it needs to be.2 -
They do sell it here in Australia as shown above but they have reduced the sodium content which is also required. Cheers for the suggestion though, it was worth following up.0 -
As an FYI and in the interest of sharing current best practice.
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scottyaus2732 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Tedebearduff wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »scottyaus2732 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »scottyaus2732 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »
Didn’t follow format so I know nothing about you or your goals. But that is not that important.
Mount an argument for it.
What does "that" refer to?
Post 4
The entire pyramid? Not some specific element of it? I'm not sure I understand what saying the entire pyramid is "not that important" means. Are you saying that you disagree that calories, macronutrients, and micronutrients are more important to nutrition than meal time and supplements?
She/he is saying it's not relevant to the original post.
The sentence I asked OP about didn't mention relevance; it spoke about importance. I'm not sure this is worth pursuing, especially with a third-party offering explanations of what a post by the OP meant.
I will clarify.
I started this thread to get considered information that I and others could read and extrapolate. I set up a template that I thought could best achieve that.
Before I even got a chance to put my own thoughts in I got a diagram. Now no doubt that the diagram is meaningful, but it wasn’t meaningful to achieve what I was trying to achieve.
Let me explain. I am in a meal tracker which tracks calories macros etc etc. I stated that I was on a ketogenic diet. All should suggest that I have considered things like the picture demonstrates and I was narrowing down on supplements.
None the less and as stated in first post I was interested in considered opinions do I asked the poster to make and argument for what they posted. I got no such reply.
Hope that helps you understand what I meant and my mindset.
Thanks for putting so much effort into your explanation, as I do feel like I understand your mindset.
I still don't understand the meaning of the sentence I asked about, which said that some unidentified "that" wasn't important. But after all this time, I've pretty much lost interest in the answer. And it sounds like the thread is working for you. 0 -
I was referring to the fact that no goal was given and format was not followed.
I was trying to establish that was not important, what was important as they backed up their post with a considered opinion.1 -
scottyaus2732 wrote: »I was referring to the fact that no goal was given and format was not followed.
I was trying to establish that was not important, what was important as they backed up their post with a considered opinion.
Thanks. Now that you say it, it makes perfect sense. I just kept reading it as though "that" referred to something in the post you were replying to (e.g., that calories weren't important, or macros weren't important). Sorry to be so slow.1 -
All good.0
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Tedebearduff wrote: »
Bodybuilding - Currently on a slow slow cut @ 255lbs, I call my current condition fluffy
D3 and Magnesium Bys
Protein to make numbers
Almost ALL of them in my opinion, unless you've had a blood test done or doctor advised I view them as a waste of $$$. I've tried so many different things noticed no difference in body composition or general well being. Majority of supplement companies do put in things that are "good" for you but the amounts are under dosed... so again what's the point? (I made a similar comment yesterday when speaking about pre-workouts)
here's an example - Cucurmin $50 for a bottle of 120 pills ...ingredients Turmeric / black pepper... so I just need to go to the bulk foods store and can buy the same amount of Turmeric for $3-$4 add it to my shakes and make them spicy. - I did this for awhile noticed no difference again but just an example of a rip off/ waste of time and $
I'm always open to learning more, I don't think I know everything just always lean towards professional services and help from professionals apposed to opinions kind of thing.
The problem with curcumin is the dose you need to see an effect and the associated cost. The other problem is that if you take curcumin alone it's not well absorbed by the body. That's why if you buy capsules they generally come with some other ingredient like black pepper, which contains piperine, which helps the body absorb the curcumin. Otherwise it goes straight through you.
One more thing, if you buy turmeric it contains about 2% by volume of curcumin, which is really what yields the health benefits. So in order to get the recommended dose of curcumin, 500-1000mg, you need to eat 25000-50000mg, or 25-50 grams, of turmeric a day. And you need to mix that with something that will make your body absorb it better, like black pepper. That's a LOT of turmeric. All of that adds up to the reason it's not cheap in pill form.
However, curcumin has some pretty solid scientific evidence of it's efficacy for reducing inflammation and arthritis pain, among other ailments. https://examine.com/supplements/curcumin/. Still, it's just not worth it for me. That *kitten* is expensive!
Thanks for sharing, understand now why I didn't see any benefits.
Have an amazing day!1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »scottyaus2732 wrote: »I was referring to the fact that no goal was given and format was not followed.
I was trying to establish that was not important, what was important as they backed up their post with a considered opinion.
Thanks. Now that you say it, it makes perfect sense. I just kept reading it as though "that" referred to something in the post you were replying to (e.g., that calories weren't important, or macros weren't important). Sorry to be so slow.
It's okay have a great day.
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Tedebearduff wrote: »Tedebearduff wrote: »
Bodybuilding - Currently on a slow slow cut @ 255lbs, I call my current condition fluffy
D3 and Magnesium Bys
Protein to make numbers
Almost ALL of them in my opinion, unless you've had a blood test done or doctor advised I view them as a waste of $$$. I've tried so many different things noticed no difference in body composition or general well being. Majority of supplement companies do put in things that are "good" for you but the amounts are under dosed... so again what's the point? (I made a similar comment yesterday when speaking about pre-workouts)
here's an example - Cucurmin $50 for a bottle of 120 pills ...ingredients Turmeric / black pepper... so I just need to go to the bulk foods store and can buy the same amount of Turmeric for $3-$4 add it to my shakes and make them spicy. - I did this for awhile noticed no difference again but just an example of a rip off/ waste of time and $
I'm always open to learning more, I don't think I know everything just always lean towards professional services and help from professionals apposed to opinions kind of thing.
The problem with curcumin is the dose you need to see an effect and the associated cost. The other problem is that if you take curcumin alone it's not well absorbed by the body. That's why if you buy capsules they generally come with some other ingredient like black pepper, which contains piperine, which helps the body absorb the curcumin. Otherwise it goes straight through you.
One more thing, if you buy turmeric it contains about 2% by volume of curcumin, which is really what yields the health benefits. So in order to get the recommended dose of curcumin, 500-1000mg, you need to eat 25000-50000mg, or 25-50 grams, of turmeric a day. And you need to mix that with something that will make your body absorb it better, like black pepper. That's a LOT of turmeric. All of that adds up to the reason it's not cheap in pill form.
However, curcumin has some pretty solid scientific evidence of it's efficacy for reducing inflammation and arthritis pain, among other ailments. https://examine.com/supplements/curcumin/. Still, it's just not worth it for me. That *kitten* is expensive!
Thanks for sharing, understand now why I didn't see any benefits.
Have an amazing day!
One other thing to note about curcumin/turmeric supplements is that forms that are hydro-soluble with also absorb better than the forms with the black pepper extract.0 -
Goals: Health improvement, physical and mental.
Supps: Multi (brand varies, usually a higher-end brand available at the store [not online only]) magnesium citrate, probiotics, and sometimes fish oil. I am trying to add more fish to my diet instead right now.
I now consider the magnesium to be the most important thing I take. I notice an immediate increase in my anxiety when I start running low (I usually take two per day, but will switch to 1 if I'm running out) or out, and an almost immediate improvement when I resume my normal dosage.
https://examine.com/supplements/magnesium/ - supports my findings.1 -
I’m with you on magnesium.1
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