498lbs needs motivation
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Hey Bill:
I strongly caution you about using a treadmill if you are having trouble with your joints at this time.
Protecting your joints when you are super sized is important as having healthy ones will allow you to become more active as you lose weight and your strength to weight ratio changes.
As others have mentioned you DON'T NEED TO EXERCISE TO START LOSING WEIGHT.
Exercise is good and I strongly encourage you to find exercises that you enjoy and which are suitable for your changing condition as you become healthier. <-- as you get lighter you will FEEL like doing more and more things and becoming more active. You will be WANTING to exercise and that would be the time to ramp things up! I personally did choose to walk because it requires the least preparation and has the fewest barriers when starting out. But while it might be a treadmill it could well be something totally different that catches your fancy!
But caloric control is (ALL that is) needed to lose weight and to get started!
THANKS ALEC! Good advice. I will add slow walking is better than nothing. Walking at even 1mph doubles your energy expenditure. If you have bad knees, a recumbent bike can be a good choice. Resistance bands while you sit will help. A caloric deficit is what you need, but protein is your friend. Protein in class 3 obese subjects when raised to 30% of caloric intake showed as much as a 1000 calorie a day reduction in intake. Might also suggest learning about nutrition. CICO is primary driver in weight changes, but something a good professional told me, "Quality matters." Not organic or any BS like that. Real whole foods. Good luck my friend, from one big guy to another!6 -
psychod787 wrote: »THANKS ALEC! Good advice. I will add slow walking is better than nothing. Walking at even 1mph doubles your energy expenditure. If you have bad knees, a recumbent bike can be a good choice. Resistance bands while you sit will help. A caloric deficit is what you need, but protein is your friend. Protein in class 3 obese subjects when raised to 30% of caloric intake showed as much as a 1000 calorie a day reduction in intake. Might also suggest learning about nutrition. CICO is primary driver in weight changes, but something a good professional told me, "Quality matters." Not organic or any BS like that. Real whole foods. Good luck my friend, from one big guy to another!
And good advice on all the other options, including increasing protein. Personally my "take" on things would be to view this an excellent experiment that is approached out of curiosity and desire for optimisation as opposed to as an unwanted necessity.
I most certainly found out that I **enjoy** things such as 0% greek yogurt, and lean proteins, and, dare I say it, vegetables and fruits not necessarily slathered in excess dressings.
Yes, enjoy them. And yes, if you eat them you **will** crowd out higher calorie less satiating items. You don't *need* to set out to eliminate things out of your diet (maybe some things you will decide are not just worth it to you and that's OK).
But these things are more advanced, I would say, post the first week or so on MFP. The first week or two, all one really needs to get a handle on is keeping track of things and logging food before it is eaten.
Did you notice that before? It makes a BIG difference
<and not necessarily aim for the moon right away.... a bunch of small changes over the next few years implemented one by one and creating a cascade of improvement and any one of us, the OP included, will be greatly surprised where they can find themselves>
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billygunn31 wrote: »So I desperately needs to lose weight needs motivation and to be keep accountable.
Due to weight standing and walking for any amount of time is hard and becomes painful
I have been losing weight without exercise because I tore ligaments in my feet and ankles, just by following MFP's calorie and macro recommendations. About 17 lbs in 2 months (250 lb start weight).
When (if?) my feet heal then I'll introduce exercise. So when you get down to a weight where you won't hurt yourself, you can add it too.
Recognize it's going to take you a couple of years to lose it all safely from that weight. Don't believe these crash-diet TV shows where people go from 400 to 180 lbs in a year.3 -
billygunn31 wrote: »Going to try and only allow myself 2000-2500 calories a day see if that works
What does mfp recommend? Since you're starting at 400+ and a dude that sounds good for calorie targets but might even be too low. You have a doc working with you on this? Might be a good thing to get one if not.
I second the advice to set smaller goals, like 5 lbs, or 20 lbs, or whatever, things you can achieve in a fairly short time-frame.1 -
An interesting thing about being heavily overweight is how many toxins you can flush from your cells down the toilet by drinking large volumes of water throughout the day. Like literally peeing 10 times a day. You will be surprised how much of that weight can be flushed away with the right water intake. It also keeps you full. 1/2 gallon 3litre bottle. You can squeeze in some fruit for flavoring. You don't have to run circuits or have some insane crash diet. Just literally pass it through your system with water. When you know some things can be easier like this then it makes doing it easier also. Also, it's a way to measure that you can do things. If you can't get your water intake right, then what chance have you got of doing anything else right? When I notice myself falling back I look at water. Am I taking enough? The answer is no if I find myself falling back. If I am taking enough water, everything alls falls into place naturally. It's the first step, the easiest one and helps your diet tenfold.1
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billygunn31 wrote: »Going to try and only allow myself 2000-2500 calories a day see if that works
What does mfp recommend? Since you're starting at 400+ and a dude that sounds good for calorie targets but might even be too low. You have a doc working with you on this? Might be a good thing to get one if not.
I second the advice to set smaller goals, like 5 lbs, or 20 lbs, or whatever, things you can achieve in a fairly short time-frame.
Yep, given the OP's situation should have medical supervision. Best of luck to OP.0 -
billygunn31 wrote: »I went and got my self a treadmill today
Be careful on the treadmill please! Particularly if you're having difficulty walking/moving.
Treadmills are far less forgiving than the rest of the ground. That belt is going to keep moving regardless of what happens. Stumble slightly, a bit of a misstep, tweak one of your joints, need to slow down or stop suddenly, all these things present no issue on solid ground but on a treadmill could send you tumbling hard because of that moving belt.
The other thing to keep in mind is that while the treadmill (if you're careful) may assist in getting you moving it likely won't have a noticeable impact on your weight loss. It's likely right now you won't be able to maintain an effort level and duration high enough to impact your calories out in a significant enough way to aid in weight loss. Even more so if the extra effort results in a corresponding (and completely normal) increase in appetite and calorie intake.
The treadmill (as long as you're careful) isn't necessarily a bad idea but use it focusing on the movement and fitness benefits it will give you rather than on the weight loss benefits which will be minimal at best.
G'luck and keep us all informed about how your going!4 -
billygunn31 wrote: »I went and got my self a treadmill today
Did you check the weight capacity on the treadmill? Unfortunately unless you got a very high end machine weight capacity is usually 350 pounds or under. May have to look at other options until you get your weight down to the machine's limit.
This article talks specifiaclly about treadmills for standing workstations, but the general ideas apply
https://www.workwhilewalking.com/do-weight-ratings-on-treadmills-really-matter
Best of luck.1 -
BatmansKcak wrote: »An interesting thing about being heavily overweight is how many toxins you can flush from your cells down the toilet by drinking large volumes of water throughout the day. Like literally peeing 10 times a day. You will be surprised how much of that weight can be flushed away with the right water intake. It also keeps you full. 1/2 gallon 3litre bottle. You can squeeze in some fruit for flavoring. You don't have to run circuits or have some insane crash diet. Just literally pass it through your system with water. When you know some things can be easier like this then it makes doing it easier also. Also, it's a way to measure that you can do things. If you can't get your water intake right, then what chance have you got of doing anything else right? When I notice myself falling back I look at water. Am I taking enough? The answer is no if I find myself falling back. If I am taking enough water, everything alls falls into place naturally. It's the first step, the easiest one and helps your diet tenfold.
Most of this is myth. Drinking excessive amounts of water only helps you lose water weight. The initial water loss that many people experience anyway will help with joints and physical pain caused by the weight but water loss is not the primary goal and water weight always comes back here and there.
Drinking a little extra water can help some people register fullness faster at meals but there is no reason to start carrying a huge water bottle around and emptying it into yourself multiple times a day.
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Just know we're glad you're here. You're not alone. Welcome!
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I would also be surprised if the treadmill can handle your current weight. The selection of affordable treadmills for even 400lbs is pretty limited.
I do encourage you to get up at least once an hour and move around but exercise should be approached with a lot of caution. You do not want to be damaging your joints right now.
I was able to get out of a pool at full weight using a ladder but it was difficult. The water helps you with the first few steps and then hinders you by creating drag on the last bit. I may, and probably did, have different weight distribution than you so the fact I was able to do it does not mean anything. You may want to wait on that if that pool is your only option. I do remember for the first dozen or so times I went to climb that ladder wondering if that would be the one where I got stuck and it would take a call to the the fire/rescue dept to get me out of the pool. For that reason I didn't exercise that hard in the pool because I was afraid I would be too tapped to climb the ladder afterwards.
Try not to jump ahead. Here is my first year progress thread:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10731694/after-a-year-over-150lbs-lost-learned-a-few-things/p1
Even though the first year ended with me still having a lot of weight to lose my life was already dramatically improved. I lost over half of that weight with no exercise.6 -
You can do this, I’m here to encourage you! I just started yesterday.
Anyone can add me!1 -
snippitychic wrote: »You can do this, I’m here to encourage you! I just started yesterday.
Anyone can add me!
If your username means you can be "snippy" I like it.
Also, good luck!1 -
BatmansKcak wrote: »An interesting thing about being heavily overweight is how many toxins you can flush from your cells down the toilet by drinking large volumes of water throughout the day. Like literally peeing 10 times a day. You will be surprised how much of that weight can be flushed away with the right water intake. It also keeps you full. 1/2 gallon 3litre bottle. You can squeeze in some fruit for flavoring. You don't have to run circuits or have some insane crash diet. Just literally pass it through your system with water. When you know some things can be easier like this then it makes doing it easier also. Also, it's a way to measure that you can do things. If you can't get your water intake right, then what chance have you got of doing anything else right? When I notice myself falling back I look at water. Am I taking enough? The answer is no if I find myself falling back. If I am taking enough water, everything alls falls into place naturally. It's the first step, the easiest one and helps your diet tenfold.
Most of this is myth. Drinking excessive amounts of water only helps you lose water weight. The initial water loss that many people experience anyway will help with joints and physical pain caused by the weight but water loss is not the primary goal and water weight always comes back here and there.
Drinking a little extra water can help some people register fullness faster at meals but there is no reason to start carrying a huge water bottle around and emptying it into yourself multiple times a day.
Holy *kitten* do we agree on something?
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BatmansKcak wrote: »An interesting thing about being heavily overweight is how many toxins you can flush from your cells down the toilet by drinking large volumes of water throughout the day. Like literally peeing 10 times a day. You will be surprised how much of that weight can be flushed away with the right water intake. It also keeps you full. 1/2 gallon 3litre bottle. You can squeeze in some fruit for flavoring. You don't have to run circuits or have some insane crash diet. Just literally pass it through your system with water. When you know some things can be easier like this then it makes doing it easier also. Also, it's a way to measure that you can do things. If you can't get your water intake right, then what chance have you got of doing anything else right? When I notice myself falling back I look at water. Am I taking enough? The answer is no if I find myself falling back. If I am taking enough water, everything alls falls into place naturally. It's the first step, the easiest one and helps your diet tenfold.
Most of this is myth. Drinking excessive amounts of water only helps you lose water weight. The initial water loss that many people experience anyway will help with joints and physical pain caused by the weight but water loss is not the primary goal and water weight always comes back here and there.
Drinking a little extra water can help some people register fullness faster at meals but there is no reason to start carrying a huge water bottle around and emptying it into yourself multiple times a day.
How much water does a 500 lb person need per day need to stay hydrated without exercising? The answer is much higher than even a huge water bottle. They need at least that to stay healthily hydrated.
This has nothing to do with water weight loss. All human cells require water to function properly. Any cell that is not hydrated properly will not function optimally. How do you expect the cell to use energy if metabolic processes don't have sufficient H2O to work?
Also, you aren't addressing how water also fills the stomach. Hence teas in diets.
The body can detox itself but the body needs to be properly hydrated to do that properly. Even livers are made of cells. That's why after 3 days of no water the body is near death.2 -
The good news is you don't have to exercise at all to lose weight. I have back problems that make even light walking difficult, and I have just hit 60 lbs. lost doing *no* extra exercise. The necessary things for me were:
- Figuring out my base metabolic rate and daily energy expendature (MFP can help with this)
- Eating at a sustainable calorie deficit
- Using a food scale to ensure I'm getting accurate calorie logs.
That's it.
That said, it's important for your overall success to learn how to eat healthier, and it's actually easier to lose weight on healthy food than high calorie junk foods. You'll feel hungry a lot faster if you drink a 300 calorie soda than if you eat a 300 calorie meal full of high fiber veggies, even though you're having the same amount of calories.
Remember, SUSTAINABLE deficit! Don't go for something so extreme that it's impossible to maintain. That will just make you miserable and sabotage your success! I started out at 2200 calories for my 370 lbs. weight, which was the recommended 20% "moderate" deficit for the calculator I was using. At that rate I've lost safely and fairly consistently with enough food to feel full, and have since reduced the calories as I go to maintain a good deficit. I've tried more severe calorie cutting many times before only to fail because I couldn't keep up with it and I was always starving. But, funny enough, I'm now eating near the number of calories I remember failing at on a previous attempt (1800), yet I don't feel like I'm starving because my weight is now in line with that amount of calories.
For you, 2500 calories sounds too low. Your body needs more energy to function. It's important not just to lose the weight but to do it safely and sustainably. This isn't a quick fix. You're in it for the long haul, so set yourself up for success!1 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »billygunn31 wrote: »I went and got my self a treadmill today
Did you check the weight capacity on the treadmill? Unfortunately unless you got a very high end machine weight capacity is usually 350 pounds or under. May have to look at other options until you get your weight down to the machine's limit.
This article talks specifiaclly about treadmills for standing workstations, but the general ideas apply
https://www.workwhilewalking.com/do-weight-ratings-on-treadmills-really-matter
Best of luck.
I never checked the weight but iv used it a few times now and it seems to work with me on it.0 -
BatmansKcak wrote: »BatmansKcak wrote: »An interesting thing about being heavily overweight is how many toxins you can flush from your cells down the toilet by drinking large volumes of water throughout the day. Like literally peeing 10 times a day. You will be surprised how much of that weight can be flushed away with the right water intake. It also keeps you full. 1/2 gallon 3litre bottle. You can squeeze in some fruit for flavoring. You don't have to run circuits or have some insane crash diet. Just literally pass it through your system with water. When you know some things can be easier like this then it makes doing it easier also. Also, it's a way to measure that you can do things. If you can't get your water intake right, then what chance have you got of doing anything else right? When I notice myself falling back I look at water. Am I taking enough? The answer is no if I find myself falling back. If I am taking enough water, everything alls falls into place naturally. It's the first step, the easiest one and helps your diet tenfold.
Most of this is myth. Drinking excessive amounts of water only helps you lose water weight. The initial water loss that many people experience anyway will help with joints and physical pain caused by the weight but water loss is not the primary goal and water weight always comes back here and there.
Drinking a little extra water can help some people register fullness faster at meals but there is no reason to start carrying a huge water bottle around and emptying it into yourself multiple times a day.
How much water does a 500 lb person need per day need to stay hydrated without exercising? The answer is much higher than even a huge water bottle. They need at least that to stay healthily hydrated.
This has nothing to do with water weight loss. All human cells require water to function properly. Any cell that is not hydrated properly will not function optimally. How do you expect the cell to use energy if metabolic processes don't have sufficient H2O to work?
Also, you aren't addressing how water also fills the stomach. Hence teas in diets.
The body can detox itself but the body needs to be properly hydrated to do that properly. Even livers are made of cells. That's why after 3 days of no water the body is near death.
I am afraid you are a victim of internet fear mongering. If your urine on your second visit to the restroom of the day and later is straw yellow or lighter you are fine. If it is dark you need more water. How much water a person needs to drink also depends on how much they get from food. As such there is no set amount a person absolutely must drink. I have never had trouble staying hydrated at any weight on a normal day by just drinking when I get thirsty.7 -
psychod787 wrote: »BatmansKcak wrote: »An interesting thing about being heavily overweight is how many toxins you can flush from your cells down the toilet by drinking large volumes of water throughout the day. Like literally peeing 10 times a day. You will be surprised how much of that weight can be flushed away with the right water intake. It also keeps you full. 1/2 gallon 3litre bottle. You can squeeze in some fruit for flavoring. You don't have to run circuits or have some insane crash diet. Just literally pass it through your system with water. When you know some things can be easier like this then it makes doing it easier also. Also, it's a way to measure that you can do things. If you can't get your water intake right, then what chance have you got of doing anything else right? When I notice myself falling back I look at water. Am I taking enough? The answer is no if I find myself falling back. If I am taking enough water, everything alls falls into place naturally. It's the first step, the easiest one and helps your diet tenfold.
Most of this is myth. Drinking excessive amounts of water only helps you lose water weight. The initial water loss that many people experience anyway will help with joints and physical pain caused by the weight but water loss is not the primary goal and water weight always comes back here and there.
Drinking a little extra water can help some people register fullness faster at meals but there is no reason to start carrying a huge water bottle around and emptying it into yourself multiple times a day.
Holy *kitten* do we agree on something?
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I am afraid you are a victim of internet fear mongering. If your urine on your second visit to the restroom of the day and later is straw yellow or lighter you are fine. If it is dark you need more water. How much water a person needs to drink also depends on how much they get from food. As such there is no set amount a person absolutely must drink. I have never had trouble staying hydrated at any weight on a normal day by just drinking when I get thirsty.
Color of urine? That is your crystal-ball interpretation of how hydrated a person is?
What's "fear mongering" about informing people that being hydrated is important for a functional metabolism which is important for weight loss? You are just wrong about this point and demonstrably so.
The peer-review you claimed is mythology contradicts your unsourced opinion that water consumption is irrelevant with respect to weight-loss.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1038/oby.2009.235
Obesity scientific journal saying the opposite.
... and dealing with hypocaloric diets... the very subject of the entire forum.
Do you know that low water intake is associated with obesity?
https://www.nature.com/articles/ijo2011130
Most people don't drink enough water...
https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2013/12_0248.htm
Let alone obese persons.
https://vtnews.vt.edu/articles/2010/08/082310-cals-davy.html
The reason why you avoided my question about how much water a 500lb person should be drinking hydrated is that the answer is more than the 3L I covered. They have higher water needs because they have more mass that needs hydrating.
Scare mongering, lol. Hydration is healthy and water consumption is directly linked to healthy weight loss.1 -
BatmansKcak wrote: »
I am afraid you are a victim of internet fear mongering. If your urine on your second visit to the restroom of the day and later is straw yellow or lighter you are fine. If it is dark you need more water. How much water a person needs to drink also depends on how much they get from food. As such there is no set amount a person absolutely must drink. I have never had trouble staying hydrated at any weight on a normal day by just drinking when I get thirsty.
Color of urine? That is your crystal-ball interpretation of how hydrated a person is?
What's "fear mongering" about informing people that being hydrated is important for a functional metabolism which is important for weight loss? You are just wrong about this point and demonstrably so.
The peer-review you claimed is mythology contradicts your unsourced opinion that water consumption is irrelevant with respect to weight-loss.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1038/oby.2009.235
Obesity scientific journal saying the opposite.
... and dealing with hypocaloric diets... the very subject of the entire forum.
Do you know that low water intake is associated with obesity?
https://www.nature.com/articles/ijo2011130
Most people don't drink enough water...
https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2013/12_0248.htm
Let alone obese persons.
https://vtnews.vt.edu/articles/2010/08/082310-cals-davy.html
The reason why you avoided my question about how much water a 500lb person should be drinking hydrated is that the answer is more than the 3L I covered. They have higher water needs because they have more mass that needs hydrating.
Scare mongering, lol. Hydration is healthy and water consumption is directly linked to healthy weight loss.
The whole 'drink x amount per day' is pretty much a myth. The amount someone needs to hydrate will vary on an individual basis from day to day let alone trying to pinpoint a set level for an entire population.
Your body has a terrific mechanism to ensure you're getting enough fluids called 'thirst'. If you drink when you're thirsty then 99 times out of 100 you're going to be perfectly hydrated.
You also note that I said 'getting enough fluids' and not 'drinking enough water'. We get water and hydration from loads of different places. Everything we drink from milk to water to soda all provides hydration along with much of the food we eat. Lettuce and cucumber are 90-95% water.
To double check that you're adequately hydrated and responding properly to your thirst response is indeed to check urine colour. "Pale Straw" is the target, darker than that and you probably need to drink more. ligher and you're likely over-hydrating which comes with it's own set of complications and health impacts.8 -
BatmansKcak wrote: »
I am afraid you are a victim of internet fear mongering. If your urine on your second visit to the restroom of the day and later is straw yellow or lighter you are fine. If it is dark you need more water. How much water a person needs to drink also depends on how much they get from food. As such there is no set amount a person absolutely must drink. I have never had trouble staying hydrated at any weight on a normal day by just drinking when I get thirsty.
Color of urine? That is your crystal-ball interpretation of how hydrated a person is?
What's "fear mongering" about informing people that being hydrated is important for a functional metabolism which is important for weight loss? You are just wrong about this point and demonstrably so.
The peer-review you claimed is mythology contradicts your unsourced opinion that water consumption is irrelevant with respect to weight-loss.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1038/oby.2009.235
Obesity scientific journal saying the opposite.
... and dealing with hypocaloric diets... the very subject of the entire forum.
Do you know that low water intake is associated with obesity?
https://www.nature.com/articles/ijo2011130
Most people don't drink enough water...
https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2013/12_0248.htm
Let alone obese persons.
https://vtnews.vt.edu/articles/2010/08/082310-cals-davy.html
The reason why you avoided my question about how much water a 500lb person should be drinking hydrated is that the answer is more than the 3L I covered. They have higher water needs because they have more mass that needs hydrating.
Scare mongering, lol. Hydration is healthy and water consumption is directly linked to healthy weight loss.
I am going to assume you are not just trying to be an internet smart guy and that your intention is to help the OP. You are not. The last thing a person with a lot of weight to lose needs to have rattling around in their head is that weight loss is a fragile thing and that a day of progress could be undone simply by drinking less than some recommended amount of water. As @danp pointed out we get hydration from a bunch of different sources.
I am not going to fully engage on this debate because I do not want to completely derail this thread.
Once hunger is controlled the physical part of losing weight is pretty simple. Much of what makes weight loss hard happens between the ears.
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Show me one scientific peer review source to support your conjecture. I have supported mine, several times over. I have never come across a single peer-reviewed scientific health article on the top of water, obesity and weight loss that is making the claim that there is no connection as you are.
You have called this science a myth, so I can only associate what you are claiming with fake news. Nothing has changed in science on this point. Low water intake is correlated with obesity. Correct water intake is associated with weight loss and the bigger you are, the more you need to be optimally hydrated for weight loss. Several papers from scientists support that 100%. It is also obvious to anyone who has taken so much as a basic course on cellular biology and metabolism.
The fact is your stance on this doesn't have a shred of science to back it up, hence why you can't prove your claim scientifically. You're the one perpetuating a spurious myth.
Who are we going to believe? Scientists or an anonymous poster on a forum. It seems obvious who is giving better advice here. The scientist is.
You derailed this topic by trying to push across this idea they don't need to hydrate properly. They are nearly 500lbs and you think they don't need to be consuming 3l of water per day just to maintain hydration.
In fact, just looking at that last sentence says plenty.0 -
BatmansKcak wrote: »Show me one scientific peer review source to support your conjecture. I have supported mine, several times over. I have never come across a single peer-reviewed scientific health article on the top of water, obesity and weight loss that is making the claim that there is no connection as you are.
You have called this science a myth, so I can only associate what you are claiming with fake news. Nothing has changed in science on this point. Low water intake is correlated with obesity. Correct water intake is associated with weight loss and the bigger you are, the more you need to be optimally hydrated for weight loss. Several papers from scientists support that 100%. It is also obvious to anyone who has taken so much as a basic course on cellular biology and metabolism.
The fact is your stance on this doesn't have a shred of science to back it up, hence why you can't prove your claim scientifically. You're the one perpetuating a spurious myth.
Who are we going to believe? Scientists or an anonymous poster on a forum. It seems obvious who is giving better advice here. The scientist is.
You derailed this topic by trying to push across this idea they don't need to hydrate properly. They are nearly 500lbs and you think they don't need to be consuming 3l of water per day just to maintain hydration.
In fact, just looking at that last sentence says plenty.
You have read what you wanted to read to make me seems like I don't care about hydration. I explained the urine test and I explained to drink when thirsty. I am simply not making a huge deal out of it. It takes very little common sense to stay hydrated under normal conditions.
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billygunn31 wrote: »So I desperately need to lose weight need motivation and to be keep accountable.
Billy, follow the yellow brick road. Follow all of the constructs of MFP and you will get there. There are many supportive groups on this forum, search for one that seems like a good fit for you. The first three days will be your first milestone and after that you start building a momentum. Momentum will take you much further than motivation and willpower ever will. Those run out. Stay the course and come back for some positive reinforcement. Create your own positive food management plan.
Do everything on your terms. Edge you way down slowly, Billy. The best exercise is the movement you actually enjoy and will want to continue doing for the rest of your life. We're here, Billy. I care.
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BatmansKcak wrote: »Show me one scientific peer review source to support your conjecture. I have supported mine, several times over. I have never come across a single peer-reviewed scientific health article on the top of water, obesity and weight loss that is making the claim that there is no connection as you are.
You have called this science a myth, so I can only associate what you are claiming with fake news. Nothing has changed in science on this point. Low water intake is correlated with obesity. Correct water intake is associated with weight loss and the bigger you are, the more you need to be optimally hydrated for weight loss. Several papers from scientists support that 100%. It is also obvious to anyone who has taken so much as a basic course on cellular biology and metabolism.
The fact is your stance on this doesn't have a shred of science to back it up, hence why you can't prove your claim scientifically. You're the one perpetuating a spurious myth.
Who are we going to believe? Scientists or an anonymous poster on a forum. It seems obvious who is giving better advice here. The scientist is.
You derailed this topic by trying to push across this idea they don't need to hydrate properly. They are nearly 500lbs and you think they don't need to be consuming 3l of water per day just to maintain hydration.
In fact, just looking at that last sentence says plenty.
You have read what you wanted to read to make me seems like I don't care about hydration. I explained the urine test and I explained to drink when thirsty. I am simply not making a huge deal out of it. It takes very little common sense to stay hydrated under normal conditions.
Agreed!
This person, even at close to 500lbs has managed to go his entire life without accidentally dying of dehydration so I think they're OK in that department for now.
Much better off putting their effort and focus on things that do need attention in order to begin to reduce body fat, that being a consistent calorie deficit.10 -
I am really big. The first week I ate what I usually ate weighing and logging it. If it is to cross your lips it HAS to be weighed. Weighing on scales...VERY IMPORTANT. It lets you see what you are doing now. After that week you can begin to make small changes. Let mfp do the calculations for you calories. I also talked with my Dr and let her know what I was up to.
Don't panic, don't get discouraged. You CAN do this. Please know YOU ARE NOT ALONE:)
Don't worry about exercising, walking down the corridor is probably a mission right? All you have to remember is that ANY movement you can do is a bonus! It all counts.
I use an app called Libra and weigh myself daily to track the normal fluctuations of losses and gains (very fascinating) . The gains are okay so long as the trend is going down:)
I have lost 25kg in 4 months on here under medical supervision.
I wish you the best.
A great blog on here (not mine) The_movie_chair8 -
BatmansKcak wrote: »Show me one scientific peer review source to support your conjecture. I have supported mine, several times over. I have never come across a single peer-reviewed scientific health article on the top of water, obesity and weight loss that is making the claim that there is no connection as you are.
You have called this science a myth, so I can only associate what you are claiming with fake news. Nothing has changed in science on this point. Low water intake is correlated with obesity. Correct water intake is associated with weight loss and the bigger you are, the more you need to be optimally hydrated for weight loss. Several papers from scientists support that 100%. It is also obvious to anyone who has taken so much as a basic course on cellular biology and metabolism.
The fact is your stance on this doesn't have a shred of science to back it up, hence why you can't prove your claim scientifically. You're the one perpetuating a spurious myth.
Who are we going to believe? Scientists or an anonymous poster on a forum. It seems obvious who is giving better advice here. The scientist is.
You derailed this topic by trying to push across this idea they don't need to hydrate properly. They are nearly 500lbs and you think they don't need to be consuming 3l of water per day just to maintain hydration.
In fact, just looking at that last sentence says plenty.
You have read what you wanted to read to make me seems like I don't care about hydration. I explained the urine test and I explained to drink when thirsty. I am simply not making a huge deal out of it. It takes very little common sense to stay hydrated under normal conditions.
Agreed!
This person, even at close to 500lbs has managed to go his entire life without accidentally dying of dehydration so I think they're OK in that department for now.
Much better off putting their effort and focus on things that do need attention in order to begin to reduce body fat, that being a consistent calorie deficit.
Amen.
This is why I assume that a person can start from where they are. It is true that some people will need to change the way they eat because they were just diagnosed with a medical condition OR the way they eat is not sustainable because of hunger but on the latter that can be determined in the first week or so.
The important thing is to get started and try to stay out of your own way. That last part took me a long time to figure out unfortunately.3 -
An exercise you can do on the treadmill to start - put a chair at the end of the treadmill, and turn it on a very slow pace. Sit in the chair and walk your feet on the tread. You can set them on the sides when you need a break. Something to try best of luck. 4
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I am really big. The first week I ate what I usually ate weighing and logging it. If it is to cross your lips it HAS to be weighed. Weighing on scales...VERY IMPORTANT. It lets you see what you are doing now. After that week you can begin to make small changes. Let mfp do the calculations for you calories. I also talked with my Dr and let her know what I was up to.
Don't panic, don't get discouraged. You CAN do this. Please know YOU ARE NOT ALONE:)
Don't worry about exercising, walking down the corridor is probably a mission right? All you have to remember is that ANY movement you can do is a bonus! It all counts.
I use an app called Libra and weigh myself daily to track the normal fluctuations of losses and gains (very fascinating) . The gains are okay so long as the trend is going down:)
I have lost 25kg in 4 months on here under medical supervision.
I wish you the best.
A great blog on here (not mine) The_movie_chair
I started with a slightly different method, but the same idea: start with easy changes.
I am a grazer. I can eat all day long if I let myself and I would eat easy to grab foods which frequently meant things like chips, pizza, etc. I started out by eating 5 regular meals a a day of "real" food. 3 meals and 2 snacks and I made sure there was a nice mix of nutrients from food I fixed from whole foods like meat, veggies, fruit, whole grain bread, eggs, yogurt, cheese, etc. I did not weigh or count calories, I just focused on the regular meals and quality foods. After 6 weeks and 25 lb loss (yes, I was under a doctor's supervision) I started weighing and measuring and counting calories via MFP. I didn't do anything like tweak my macros until I was already settled in to a routine, I just went with the MFP defaults.
I exercised as you suggested. It was an effort to walk to my mailbox, but I started doing it daily. Then I started taking the long way around the complex parking lot to get to that mailbox. As I was able to, I would increase the distance and/or go for more than one short walk per day.
OP, you can do this! Start with a basic change that is easy for you to do and as you begin to get used to it, build on it.2
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