Ruining the Impossible Burger
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You are better off making a beef burger from scratch. Its healthier by a long shot. IMO, if you want to be a grass grazer, you shouldn't want to eat something that looks and tastes like beef in the first place.2
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nytrifisoul wrote: »You are better off making a beef burger from scratch. Its healthier by a long shot. IMO, if you want to be a grass grazer, you shouldn't want to eat something that looks and tastes like beef in the first place.
You know for many who are vegan/vegetarian it is also (or even primarily) an ethical choice not to eat meat. It’s not about not liking the taste. Why shouldn’t they want something that looks/tastes like meat without compromising their ethical values. Saying something like that just makes you sound incredibly ignorant.28 -
I haven't eaten a burger or a pizza for several years but I still love esting my NY strip steaks
Just personal choice but I certainly wouldn't want to eat a veggie burger (regardless of how you label it) if it has essentially the same cals as a regular burger.
What's the point of doing THAT!??
Lots of different reasons, here's a few people might have:
1. Animal welfare
2. The use of antibiotics in commercial meat production leading to a decrease in the overall effectiveness of antibiotics and an increase in antibiotic resistant bacteria.
3. Plant based meat replacements use significantly less resources to produce than beef and have a much lower environmental footprint.12 -
nytrifisoul wrote: »You are better off making a beef burger from scratch. Its healthier by a long shot. IMO, if you want to be a grass grazer, you shouldn't want to eat something that looks and tastes like beef in the first place.Shortgirlrunning wrote: »You know for many who are vegan/vegetarian it is also (or even primarily) an ethical choice not to eat meat. It’s not about not liking the taste. Why shouldn’t they want something that looks/tastes like meat without compromising their ethical values. Saying something like that just makes you sound incredibly ignorant.
I wouldn't have put the "should" in the statement above, but I do know a lot of vegans who are grossed out or sad at the idea of eating meat and wouldn't want anything to do with the Impossible Burger if they felt it was too close to the real thing.0 -
lauragreenbaum wrote: »I love the Impossible burger- yummy plant based "burger". One of my Pilates instructors was talking about it before class yesterday- that it's really not good for you, it's engineered, there's soy in it (is soy horrible??) etc. I'm not eating it a lot- maybe twice a month as a treat. Please let me love it! I mean...how "bad" for me is it?
Listening to other people and their particular food biases is what is bad for you. Your pilates instructor has likely no more food nutrition training than your auto mechanic. If you listen to enough people you will be left with next to nothing to eat.
Anything can be bad for you if you eat or drink too much of it including water. Food is only good or bad if it causes a specific and measurable negative reaction for you. That doesn't even mean it is bad for someone else it just means it is bad for you. I have a negative and reproducible reaction to eating salads from McD or at least I did a few years ago. It is not fatal but within 20 minutes of eating one if there is no restroom around (hopefully 20 feet or less) it will be quite embarrassing.
Yes!!! Everyone has an opinion on what you should or should not eat. There is a trainer at my gym that spews the most idiotic stuff to her clients. Have heard her talk about how bad shrimp is and if you hqd it in the last year you should do a 30 day cleanse to detox. Lettuce has no nutritional value and is such a dirty chemical filled product it should be avoided at all cost. This includes spinach, kale, collards as well as iceberg. Dairy will shorten your life ny 20 years. Humans can’t process it.
Just because someone says something with authority doesn’t mean it’s true. You don’t need us or your pilates instructor to give you permission. As long as you don’t choke on it, it won’t kill you.8 -
kshama2001 wrote: »nytrifisoul wrote: »You are better off making a beef burger from scratch. Its healthier by a long shot. IMO, if you want to be a grass grazer, you shouldn't want to eat something that looks and tastes like beef in the first place.Shortgirlrunning wrote: »You know for many who are vegan/vegetarian it is also (or even primarily) an ethical choice not to eat meat. It’s not about not liking the taste. Why shouldn’t they want something that looks/tastes like meat without compromising their ethical values. Saying something like that just makes you sound incredibly ignorant.
I wouldn't have put the "should" in the statement above, but I do know a lot of vegans who are grossed out or sad at the idea of eating meat and wouldn't want anything to do with the Impossible Burger if they felt it was too close to the real thing.
I think this is important to highlight the target market of things like the impossible and beyond burger. While I am sure some certainly appreciate having it available, their main target market is not really vegetarians/vegans. A lot of long time non-meat eaters will be grossed out by how much it tastes like the real thing. My mother who has been a pescatarian for over 40 years feels this way.
The main target audience of these plant based meat replacements is meat eaters who are looking to reduce their meat intake. I fit the bill pretty well of their ideal customer. I am a meat eater who loves meat and could never see myself giving it up, but I am also cognizant of the environmental and societal impact of meat consumption so I am looking to reduce my intake. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing thing. I had chicken salad for lunch but cooked up some Beyond Burgers for dinner. The group of potential customers like me is a much larger customer base to draw from, which is why so many companies are trying to get into this market.
For what it is worth, when it comes to me actually cooking it myself, I find I enjoy the beyond burgers I cook better than when I cook beef burgers. They maintain flavor well, and don't dry out like beef does if they are a bit well done. And they feel better in my stomach after I eat them. Sure, nothing quite tastes like a truly great burger, but considering I don't know how to cook a truly great burger, I am happy to have beyond beef rather than regular beef every time at home.11 -
kshama2001 wrote: »nytrifisoul wrote: »You are better off making a beef burger from scratch. Its healthier by a long shot. IMO, if you want to be a grass grazer, you shouldn't want to eat something that looks and tastes like beef in the first place.Shortgirlrunning wrote: »You know for many who are vegan/vegetarian it is also (or even primarily) an ethical choice not to eat meat. It’s not about not liking the taste. Why shouldn’t they want something that looks/tastes like meat without compromising their ethical values. Saying something like that just makes you sound incredibly ignorant.
I wouldn't have put the "should" in the statement above, but I do know a lot of vegans who are grossed out or sad at the idea of eating meat and wouldn't want anything to do with the Impossible Burger if they felt it was too close to the real thing.
I think this is important to highlight the target market of things like the impossible and beyond burger. While I am sure some certainly appreciate having it available, their main target market is not really vegetarians/vegans. A lot of long time non-meat eaters will be grossed out by how much it tastes like the real thing. My mother who has been a pescatarian for over 40 years feels this way.
The main target audience of these plant based meat replacements is meat eaters who are looking to reduce their meat intake. I fit the bill pretty well of their ideal customer. I am a meat eater who loves meat and could never see myself giving it up, but I am also cognizant of the environmental and societal impact of meat consumption so I am looking to reduce my intake. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing thing. I had chicken salad for lunch but cooked up some Beyond Burgers for dinner. The group of potential customers like me is a much larger customer base to draw from, which is why so many companies are trying to get into this market.
For what it is worth, when it comes to me actually cooking it myself, I find I enjoy the beyond burgers I cook better than when I cook beef burgers. They maintain flavor well, and don't dry out like beef does if they are a bit well done. And they feel better in my stomach after I eat them. Sure, nothing quite tastes like a truly great burger, but considering I don't know how to cook a truly great burger, I am happy to have beyond beef rather than regular beef every time at home.
Yup, the bolded is me. I have no argument with it existing, but worry that it will tend to drive other alternatives - alternatives that, to me, are tastier - to lower availability at restaurants, because (maybe) meat-eaters perceive that all of us will naturally want a closer meat imitation, too.
A particular worry is that if the flavor is very difficult to distinguish, restaurant workers may intentionally or accidentally serve up a regular burger, and I don't know whether I could tell from taste (it's been 45+ years since I ate an actual meat burger, and while I generally recall the flavor, I'm not confident I could distinguish a close-tasting substitute at this point).
For me, that's not a moral crisis (it would be for some). But I know from experience that digestive system adaptation is a real thing, and if I eat meat, there will be digestive system unpleasantness to follow . . . not life threatening, but undesirable. (It's how I've figured out retrospectively that I've accidentally consumed meat products now and then that weren't perceptible.) I don't need that.6 -
I’m a total carnivore, but I have a Beyond or Impossible burger a couple times a month...including tonight! It’s not a diet food, but tastes great IMO and since I’m not allergic to soy the only reason to not eat them would be to save money. They are processed but so is almost everything these days, they are modified but GMO’s are not bad in and of themselves unless you’re talking about Monsanto Round Up.
Enjoy your occasional plant based burger.3 -
I’ve never had any interest in one. Mike Colameco said the other day that it’s only bad for your wallet. He quoted a price, said the first ingredient listed was water, meaning you are paying a lot for water.0
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corinasue1143 wrote: »I’ve never had any interest in one. Mike Colameco said the other day that it’s only bad for your wallet. He quoted a price, said the first ingredient listed was water, meaning you are paying a lot for water.
Water is the primary ingredient in most foods. Ground beef itself is majority water (about 55%). The difference is that since the water in ground beef is naturally cocuring, it doesn't have to be listed. But since these plant replacements are constructed from different ingredients, they have to list it seperately. But it's no more water than ground beef is.12 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »I’ve never had any interest in one. Mike Colameco said the other day that it’s only bad for your wallet. He quoted a price, said the first ingredient listed was water, meaning you are paying a lot for water.
The first component (by weight) in ground beef is also water.
Click on your ground beef of choice, and you'll find more than 50 g of water in 100 g of ground beef.
https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-search8 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »I’ve never had any interest in one. Mike Colameco said the other day that it’s only bad for your wallet. He quoted a price, said the first ingredient listed was water, meaning you are paying a lot for water.
The first component (by weight) in ground beef is also water.
Click on your ground beef of choice, and you'll find more than 50 g of water in 100 g of ground beef.
https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-search
Food is only made up of the following components: water, carbohydrates, fat, protein, vitamins, and minerals. Given that vitamins and minerals are usually a small percentage of the total weight, the vast majority is made up by the other items. It can be further simplified by saying that food is predominately 2 things: water and calories. Which means the amount of water will directly correlate to the calorie content. More water = less calories, less water = more calories. I've never heard anyone call watermelon a waste of money because it's 92% water.8 -
Yeah like others have mentioned, there is no reason to believe your instructor or anyone else for that matter unless they can prove their standpoint scientifically.2
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I didn't read all the replies but maybe the instructor meant what she said because many think if it's plant based it's low cal diet food. When it's not low cal at all
Also she could have a sensitivity. I wouldn't eat it because if I have soy I will get a reaction. I get very itchy in some unfortunate places. But I wouldn't tell people to not eat it. I'd just say I will stay away. I might have a taste to see what all the hype is about but that's about it0 -
Remember - one persons trash is another persons treasure! Being vegan I love the Impossible products as well as Beyond and Gardein. I eat them sparingly because it's easy to get caught up in "replacement" products. Many of them are highly processed. In terms of soy consumption I would say that you'd have to eat an awful lot of it on a daily basis probably for years to reap any negative effects. Millions of people have been living on soy products for years in Asia. Maybe your instructor meant to say that traditional soy isn't good for the environment because of the way it's processed? Organic soy is non GMO. Eat and enjoy what you want. Everyone is taking their own ride and not everyone's in a Chevy!
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Shortgirlrunning wrote: »nytrifisoul wrote: »You are better off making a beef burger from scratch. Its healthier by a long shot. IMO, if you want to be a grass grazer, you shouldn't want to eat something that looks and tastes like beef in the first place.
You know for many who are vegan/vegetarian it is also (or even primarily) an ethical choice not to eat meat. It’s not about not liking the taste. Why shouldn’t they want something that looks/tastes like meat without compromising their ethical values. Saying something like that just makes you sound incredibly ignorant.
Thank you! I was thinking the same thing.0 -
It's also nice to have choices. If you don't eat meat and you're traveling or on the road or in a situation where there aren't any vegan options - this will do the trick!3
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BoxerBrawler wrote: »Remember - one persons trash is another persons treasure! Being vegan I love the Impossible products as well as Beyond and Gardein. I eat them sparingly because it's easy to get caught up in "replacement" products. Many of them are highly processed. In terms of soy consumption I would say that you'd have to eat an awful lot of it on a daily basis probably for years to reap any negative effects. Millions of people have been living on soy products for years in Asia. Maybe your instructor meant to say that traditional soy isn't good for the environment because of the way it's processed? Organic soy is non GMO. Eat and enjoy what you want. Everyone is taking their own ride and not everyone's in a Chevy!
Someone said this in a thread a long time ago and it stuck with me... "Do not yuck another person's yum." I have not tried an IB yet. I will eventually. I eat meat but when do my meatless days I have not found faux meat products to be satisfying or worth the calories. A couple of them made me kind of nauseous because I kept burping up the flavor. I will keep an open mind about it.
That has nothing to do with anyone else eating them or enjoying them. I have just not had a good experience yet.4 -
The impossible burger is as healthy as a regular Whopper. The only benefit that has come from this burger is an option to avoid animal meat so it is purely from a humane aspect.0
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BoxerBrawler wrote: »Remember - one persons trash is another persons treasure! Being vegan I love the Impossible products as well as Beyond and Gardein. I eat them sparingly because it's easy to get caught up in "replacement" products. Many of them are highly processed. In terms of soy consumption I would say that you'd have to eat an awful lot of it on a daily basis probably for years to reap any negative effects. Millions of people have been living on soy products for years in Asia. Maybe your instructor meant to say that traditional soy isn't good for the environment because of the way it's processed? Organic soy is non GMO. Eat and enjoy what you want. Everyone is taking their own ride and not everyone's in a Chevy!
Someone said this in a thread a long time ago and it stuck with me... "Do not yuck another person's yum." I have not tried an IB yet. I will eventually. I eat meat but when do my meatless days I have not found faux meat products to be satisfying or worth the calories. A couple of them made me kind of nauseous because I kept burping up the flavor. I will keep an open mind about it.
That has nothing to do with anyone else eating them or enjoying them. I have just not had a good experience yet.
Exactly!
Some of the meat replacements products are just bad. There are a few really good brands! It all comes down to personal taste.
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