Knee Problems while running/jogging

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Anyone else experiencing knee problems with long distance jogging.

I fear this may slow down my exercise routine and I have to take breaks in between days of exercise so that my knees can recover.

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  • apullum
    apullum Posts: 4,838 Member
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    There are many different knee issues that can affect runners. Treatment depends on exactly what's wrong, and taking a day off may not be the best or only treatment.

    How long have you been running, and what training plan are you following? It sounds like you may be new to it, yet running every day. It is generally recommended for newbies to run every other day. (Heck, many of us who've been doing this for years run only every other day.)

    In addition, what do you mean by "long distance" and how quickly did you build up to that distance? The general rule is to add no more than 10% of your distance each week. However, that's a generalization and may not be appropriate for everyone.

    Both running too much and too often can contribute to overuse injuries.

    There are also other issues that could cause knee pain, such as running in improper shoes (i.e., shoes that weren't professionally fitted for you at a running store).

    My advice would be to rest and ice until the pain is gone. When you return to running, if you are new, follow a training plan such as C25K. If the pain comes back or doesn't improve, see an ortho.
  • BrianSharpe
    BrianSharpe Posts: 9,248 Member
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    Anyone else experiencing knee problems with long distance jogging.

    I fear this may slow down my exercise routine and I have to take breaks in between days of exercise so that my knees can recover.

    I'd definitely second the advice above. I'd also add that cross / strength training may help. Quite often muscular imbalances, weak hips / glutes will manifest themselves as knee pain. It may also be worthwhile to get assessed by a physiotherapist who can then make specific recommendations to address any issues you may have.

  • lorrpb
    lorrpb Posts: 11,464 Member
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    This doesn’t have to slow down your exercise. Consider swimming, cycling, walking, strength training, yoga, etc. Lots of options. I find it best to alternate a few different kinds of exercise (i.e.“Cross training”)
  • dewd2
    dewd2 Posts: 2,445 Member
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    Also take a look at your form. When done properly, studies show that running is good for you knees. Things break down when your form is off. Make sure your feet are landing under your body (or just a little in front). Over striding (landing way in front of your body) is jarring to your legs and knees.

    Good luck.
  • Jthanmyfitnesspal
    Jthanmyfitnesspal Posts: 3,522 Member
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    I'm a strong believer in cross training. I think cycling (spinning) is really great for running. Swimming is complementary, so you can do it on alternate days.

    Running can be either good or bad for knees. There are the recent articles that say that runners don't have higher rates of knee (or other) problems. But don't confuse the individual with the average! Take care of your joints so they can take care of you.

    Here are some of the good-news articles:

    https://nyti.ms/2rDJNZ4

    //well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/25/why-runners-dont-get-knee-arthritis/
  • mbaker566
    mbaker566 Posts: 11,233 Member
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    swierzbik1 wrote: »
    Then don't run. Simple.
    One of worst ways for fatloss anyway.

    how do you figure?
  • dewd2
    dewd2 Posts: 2,445 Member
    edited December 2019
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    swierzbik1 wrote: »
    Then don't run. Simple.
    One of worst ways for fatloss anyway.

    Where did the OP mention fat loss???? Did you read the question?
  • williamsjmPDX
    williamsjmPDX Posts: 5 Member
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    I'll second the hips/glutes comment. I run a lot and if I'm not careful can experience knee pain that I self-diagnose as IT-band issues. AthleanX had recent video talking about the problem (link below). I've been consistent with the recommended exercises and and have had good success. Of course YMMV - https://youtu.be/1iODncOLJnk
  • seanrodg
    seanrodg Posts: 4 Member
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    Begin with the foundation of our bodies: The Feet. Form begins here. Landing under hips with all of the joints stacked up in a straight line will be the start. Show wear is the culprit since it affects form.
    Try jogging barefoot in your driveway or down a cement sidewalk and notice how you land. Your feet automatically give feedback to your brain and your form adjusts to compensate to the environment.
    Now put shoes on and your form again changes.
    Strengthen the feet. Be aware of your form. And then when you are ready, change the environment of your feet and go minimal. Mankind has been minimal for thousands of years and still is i some areas of the world. Sure, walking around in clouds feels comfortable but it’s a cast on your foot. Try putting cloud gloves on your hands 12 hours a day and see what happens to your ability to use them in 3 weeks.
  • Hollis100
    Hollis100 Posts: 1,408 Member
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    I recently recovered from a month-long knee injury from running -- and to clarify, I consider myself a jogger, a lower animal than a runner.

    I went to a doctor because I was okay one day and the next could hardly walk. He diagnosed me with "runner's knee," a catch-all that can include many problems. My knee was inflamed, nothing torn. He gave me some exercises to build up the muscles around the knee, which I hope will help. I'm fine now, cross my fingers.
  • SoulThriver88
    SoulThriver88 Posts: 27 Member
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    I'll second the hips/glutes comment. I run a lot and if I'm not careful can experience knee pain that I self-diagnose as IT-band issues. AthleanX had recent video talking about the problem (link below). I've been consistent with the recommended exercises and and have had good success. Of course YMMV - https://youtu.be/1iODncOLJnk

    Great video - reminds me of some the stretches I did with Pilates exercise with Bands today...
  • dewd2
    dewd2 Posts: 2,445 Member
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    seanrodg wrote: »
    Begin with the foundation of our bodies: The Feet. Form begins here. Landing under hips with all of the joints stacked up in a straight line will be the start. Show wear is the culprit since it affects form.
    Try jogging barefoot in your driveway or down a cement sidewalk and notice how you land. Your feet automatically give feedback to your brain and your form adjusts to compensate to the environment.
    Now put shoes on and your form again changes.
    Strengthen the feet. Be aware of your form. And then when you are ready, change the environment of your feet and go minimal. Mankind has been minimal for thousands of years and still is i some areas of the world. Sure, walking around in clouds feels comfortable but it’s a cast on your foot. Try putting cloud gloves on your hands 12 hours a day and see what happens to your ability to use them in 3 weeks.

    There are fewer and fewer of these folks out there but they still exist....

    The fastest marathoners in the world run with a 8-10 mm drop. Why aren't they changing????
  • Azdak
    Azdak Posts: 8,281 Member
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    dewd2 wrote: »
    seanrodg wrote: »
    Begin with the foundation of our bodies: The Feet. Form begins here. Landing under hips with all of the joints stacked up in a straight line will be the start. Show wear is the culprit since it affects form.
    Try jogging barefoot in your driveway or down a cement sidewalk and notice how you land. Your feet automatically give feedback to your brain and your form adjusts to compensate to the environment.
    Now put shoes on and your form again changes.
    Strengthen the feet. Be aware of your form. And then when you are ready, change the environment of your feet and go minimal. Mankind has been minimal for thousands of years and still is i some areas of the world. Sure, walking around in clouds feels comfortable but it’s a cast on your foot. Try putting cloud gloves on your hands 12 hours a day and see what happens to your ability to use them in 3 weeks.

    There are fewer and fewer of these folks out there but they still exist....

    The fastest marathoners in the world run with a 8-10 mm drop. Why aren't they changing????

    I am lazy about links sometimes, but a story I read before posting my remarks used more sophisticated equipment to measure ground forces during running. Their research showed that, regardless of the footwear and even the running gait, similar amounts of force were produced. The body compensated for the amount of force transmitted through the gait by changing the biomechanics of the run.

    As I always emphasize, single studies are rarely definitive—to me this mostly supports the idea that there is no single, simple answer.



  • autumnblade75
    autumnblade75 Posts: 1,661 Member
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    I also suffer knee pain when I run. I've been to the orthopedic doctor, he's a knee guy. I got the exercise sheets for "runner's knee" a year ago. I already wear zero drop shoes with minimal cushion. As far as I can tell, nothing changed in my gait since 2011, but my knee has been telling me everything is not ok for a full year, now - I just had the memory pop up on Facebook from when it all went bad.

    Following for useful suggestions. Minimal might be great, but no - that's not all. Cushioning is actually reasonably useful, right now, actually. I don't love those shoes, with the 10mm drop. They shred my ankles at runs over 6 miles. I'm not making 6 miles, since my knee doesn't like it. Even in the cushioned shoes. But it makes me pretty sure, at least over here, for me, personally, it doesn't seem to be about the shoes.
  • mbaker566
    mbaker566 Posts: 11,233 Member
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    it could be a number of reasons
    common reasons are not the right shoe-go get fit at a local store
    starting too much too fast-slow down both pace and amount of mileage

    my running shoes are zero drop and cushion. i use them for city running
    my other main pair are 4mm drop, low cushion, big lugs for the trails

    it works for me because of my gait. bigger drops, i naturally strike more on my heels. the low to zero drop help me hit more midfoot and this has helped me avoid soreness
  • Azdak
    Azdak Posts: 8,281 Member
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    I think this is one of the better free articles for the non medical person concerning "runners knee".

    https://runnersconnect.net/runners-knee-symptoms-causes-and-research-backed-treatment-solutions-for-patellofemoral-pain-syndrome/

    I don't like the term "runners knee" because it is non-specific and because it implies that there is some inherent problem with either running, or your knees. People hear that and think they have a permanent condition, when in fact most running knee injuries can be treated so that pain is greatly reduced or eliminated.

    The other problem I have with the "runners knee exercises" that general docs hand out is that they are very likely outdated and do not include progressive exercises.

    We now know that running knee problems (and ITB band issues) start with weak glutes, hip muscles, and bad hip mechanics. The old approach focuses almost exclusively on the quadriceps muscles (particularly the VMO), which is a partial approach, but doesn't address the hips and glutes.

  • Hollis100
    Hollis100 Posts: 1,408 Member
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    @Azdak, good article, thanks for posting the link. I saved it to reread.
  • aokoye
    aokoye Posts: 3,495 Member
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    seanrodg wrote: »
    Begin with the foundation of our bodies: The Feet. Form begins here. Landing under hips with all of the joints stacked up in a straight line will be the start. Show wear is the culprit since it affects form.
    Try jogging barefoot in your driveway or down a cement sidewalk and notice how you land. Your feet automatically give feedback to your brain and your form adjusts to compensate to the environment.
    Now put shoes on and your form again changes.
    Strengthen the feet. Be aware of your form. And then when you are ready, change the environment of your feet and go minimal. Mankind has been minimal for thousands of years and still is i some areas of the world. Sure, walking around in clouds feels comfortable but it’s a cast on your foot. Try putting cloud gloves on your hands 12 hours a day and see what happens to your ability to use them in 3 weeks.

    It's funny because multiple physical therapists that I've worked with and/or trained in other sports with are of the thought that you actually want to look top down - from the hips on down. That said, neither of us are really qualified to give such advice to the OP for a host of reasons.