Well, pretty sure I'm "skinny fat", where to start

46 yr old female, currently weigh 132 lbs, 5'4". Got my body fat tested today at a nutrition center - 30%. I knew it would be high but wow, that's a surprise. I play pickleball 4 days a week, usually running back and forth for 2 hours or more each time. Just added weight lifting 5 weeks ago. Was going 3 days a week but really love it and want to increase that. I eat at 1250 calories a day and eat back exercise calories. Oh, and I'm vegetarian and don't eat enough protein. I'm working on that. Here's a picture for an idea of where I'm at:

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  • designerdiscounts
    designerdiscounts Posts: 517 Member
    @MikePTY They used a machine called the "InBody230".
  • slbbw
    slbbw Posts: 329 Member
    And 30% BF is considered healthy for women. I personally am striving toward 25% which I prefer, but that is not some terrible number. Also as commented above it could be very inaccurate
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,809 Member
    They used a machine called the "InBody230".

    Did they tell you what to do / what not to do before your reading was taken?

    TBH that type of machine can be useful for a trend (if used correctly) but one off readings should be taken with a pinch of salt rather than base decisions on a single measurement.
  • designerdiscounts
    designerdiscounts Posts: 517 Member
    @sijomial They said to eat more protein. The machine printed out a report that said I should gain 4 pounds of muscle and lose 12 pounds of fat.
  • jeagogo
    jeagogo Posts: 179 Member
    For a woman your age you are at the low end of average body fat %, close to the "lean/fitness" level. Did their charts for target body fat % take age into account? Or is it your goal to be at the lean/fitness level?

    How body fat % impacts overall health is also based on where you carry body fat - for example, if a woman is at 35% body fat but carries most of that fat in her abdomen, that is a greater health risk than a woman with the same percentage of body fat whose fat is mostly in her hips and thighs.

    But yes to the protein, if you are doing weightlifting with the goal of gaining muscle you will need to consume a good amount of protein, especially in the time after your workouts (if you are doing intense weightlifting). Gaining muscle while losing fat is a slow process, but if you keep weight training going while you are losing weight it should help prevent loss of too much lean mass.
  • Azdak
    Azdak Posts: 8,281 Member
    Oy. Here we go again....I will have more to add later.

  • mgdnutty
    mgdnutty Posts: 17 Member
    4 lbs of muscle for someone who just started weight training should not take 8 months
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,303 Member
    edited January 2020
    I really want to hear what @Azdak had to say and recommend; but, you look pretty dang healthy to me with no hint of skinny fat in anything but the sales rep's imagination.

    And I have a question about your average calories, because I am wondering whether appreciable weight loss should be your goal (versus fully fueling your exercise at maybe a very small deficit if more lean is your goal, or at no deficit if more strength is your goal).

    How much protein do you get?
    Given your weight, generally anything over 100g protein a day should have you substantially (if not necessarily absolutely optimally) covered...
  • whmscll
    whmscll Posts: 2,255 Member
    I had a Dexa scan done last May and I looked similar to her (same height and 4 pounds heavier) and my body fat was 28.9 percent. So you can’t tell from pictures.
  • Azdak
    Azdak Posts: 8,281 Member
    As it turns out, maybe InBody has more reference material than I thought.

    https://nl.inbody.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/InBody230_CDmanual_Eng_L.pdf

    There is a lot here, but in the second half, they discuss some of the reference standards in more detail.

    Here is an example of the results report. I don't know if it's the exact same one the OP received:

    https://shop.inbodyusa.com/collections/accessories/products/inbody230-result-sheets

    It is much simpler than the report generated by the 570 (the model I used); it also does not show segmental fat analysis or visceral fat.
  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 10,097 Member
    whmscll wrote: »
    I had a Dexa scan done last May and I looked similar to her (same height and 4 pounds heavier) and my body fat was 28.9 percent. So you can’t tell from pictures.

    If you can't tell from pictures, how can you tell that you looked similar to her?
  • whmscll
    whmscll Posts: 2,255 Member
    whmscll wrote: »
    I had a Dexa scan done last May and I looked similar to her (same height and 4 pounds heavier) and my body fat was 28.9 percent. So you can’t tell from pictures.

    If you can't tell from pictures, how can you tell that you looked similar to her?

    You can’t tell what someone’s body fat percentage is just by looking at pictures of them.

  • designerdiscounts
    designerdiscounts Posts: 517 Member
    Thank you everyone for responding!

    @Azdak thank you for explaining the test. I did work out this morning and I did drink water before the test. If that skews the numbers higher, just don't tell me :).

    I'm not so much questioning the accuracy of the number (wish it were inaccurate but I was expecting it to be at least as high as 25%). My real wonder is what's the best way to move toward a lower number - do I change caloric input, time on cardio, etc. Ideally, I'd like to weigh 130 lbs and get at or below 22% body fat but those numbers are not set in stone, just something to work toward.

    My protein intake is pretty darn low - usually around 50 grams a day. If I add a protein shake and a plain greek yogurt, that will bring it up about 30 grams a day with minimal calorie gain.
  • Azdak
    Azdak Posts: 8,281 Member
    Sorry we got a little sidetracked with the test analysis. :|

    Maintaining a calorie deficit is the most important thing for fat loss, and you have already gotten good advice on protein.

    Depending on your current fitness level, I think you would do well with one day of longer endurance cardio and other days doing some tempo interval training (not HIIT, but longer intervals at a 75%-80% effort.

    I also think you might consider doing some metabolic resistance training. (don’t have a link handy so you’ll have to google it).



  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,303 Member
    edited January 2020
    @Azdak what you don't discuss in the technical detail is what I think many are responding to. That 30% body fat for a female (especially one with... boobs) is NORMAL. And what marketing is telling her is that she is "skinny fat". Also...wondering... which path forward would you discuss Caloric reduction to lose weight? At -250? At -500? Increased strength training and eating at 0? At -250? A large caloric reduction AND huge increase in exercise and training as many people try to implement each January?

    As to the other discussions about whether the mark 1 eyeball is more accurate or not... James Krieger on weightology had some interesting discussions about the level of error with all these devices... and I am not so sure that the mark 1 eyeball is not the most accurate option short of a body composition MRI... which is probably NOT something most would want to undergo (hey, I am curious, but not to the extent of wanting to get a dose higher than all the DXA scans I've ever done for a bit of extra accuracy)
  • Azdak
    Azdak Posts: 8,281 Member
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    @Azdak what you don't discuss in the technical detail is what I think many are responding to. That 30% body fat for a female (especially one with... boobs) is NORMAL. And what marketing is telling her is that she is "skinny fat". Also...wondering... which path forward would you discuss Caloric reduction to lose weight? At -250? At -500? Increased strength training and eating at 0? At -250? A large caloric reduction AND huge increase in exercise and training as many people try to implement each January?

    As to the other discussions about whether the mark 1 eyeball is more accurate or not... James Krieger on weightology had some interesting discussions about the level of error with all these devices... and I am not so sure that the mark 1 eyeball is not the most accurate option short of a body composition MRI... which is probably NOT something most would want to undergo (hey, I am curious, but not to the extent of wanting to get a dose higher than all the DXA scans I've ever done for a bit of extra accuracy)

    The question was not to comment on whether or not the body fat level was “ideal”, but on whether the number she received was accurate.

    “Skinny fat” is a bad term, but the body type it describes — i.e. someone with disproportionately higher body fat compared to BMI—is real. In that sense it is not “marketing”, but just a description of a body type. Once you determine the body type, then the discussion about its significance is a different discussion.



  • claireychn074
    claireychn074 Posts: 1,655 Member
    Just wanted to say you look awesome 😀 you need enough fat to function normally as a woman, and you’re certainly not carrying excess weight around your abs (which can be bad for you).
  • Azdak
    Azdak Posts: 8,281 Member
    OP you look great to me. You don’t look to me on the basis of the pic to need to lose any more weight, if you do not want to.

    I would say get on an established resistance training programme if you aren’t already. Recomp. There’s a whole thread on it.

    Ignore the machine. You aren’t skinny fat in my opinion but that phrase seems to be bandied about a lot and I don’t want to get into an argument with anyone about it!!

    I used a Boditrax at my gym. When I was 145 pounds it had me at about 30 percent. I’m currently 136 and it says 23 percent. I’m 5 ft 8.5. So a reasonably small weight loss gets the fat figure down white a lot.

    I’ve been recomping for about 3 years. I would recommend it for people who have a history of yo yo dieting (like me) and want to look a bit more muscular. I’m pleased with the results. I’m not ripped but I look ‘firmer’ in my lower body and a little muscular in my upper body. I still have fat in my bum legs and tummy though, but in a good light you can see definition.

    Congratulations on your new body, it looks fab.


    Just using your numbers, the body fat % change represents a loss of about 12lb of fat but also a lean mass gain of 3lbs. Since the scale weighs everything, your “reasonably small” scale weight loss masks a more significant body fat change (which, obviously was the whole point of your recomp). Not everyone would see your (great) results with just a scale change alone.

    But I am wondering why you consider your Boditrax results legitimate but not the OP’s (“ignore the machine”) when they use essentially the same technology.
  • Theoldguy1
    Theoldguy1 Posts: 2,497 Member
    edited January 2020
    whmscll wrote: »
    MikePTY you bring up an excellent point, and that is healthy body fat percentages based on sex and age. I can’t believe I never looked up what body fat percentage is considered healthy for my age. When I had my Dexa scan my analysis gave me a “percentile chart” and told me what my “percentile range” was, but the staff there never clearly explained what those meant, at least not in a way that was easy for me to understand. I just Googled, and makes me feel great to know I am smack in the middle of the healthy body fat percentage range for my age. So thank you!

    Healthy BF % is based on sex and age, however there isn't a real large difference based on age (probably close to the error of the measurement as you can see by the chart). I was also told the same thing when I recently did a scan. The person administering the test is a PhD in Exercise Science, a professor and had managed the exercising testing lab at a major university (he opened a side testing business) so I have pretty good faith in his views.

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    https://www.dexafit.com/blog2/what-is-the-ideal-body-fat-percentage
  • Azdak wrote: »
    OP you look great to me. You don’t look to me on the basis of the pic to need to lose any more weight, if you do not want to.

    I would say get on an established resistance training programme if you aren’t already. Recomp. There’s a whole thread on it.

    Ignore the machine. You aren’t skinny fat in my opinion but that phrase seems to be bandied about a lot and I don’t want to get into an argument with anyone about it!!

    I used a Boditrax at my gym. When I was 145 pounds it had me at about 30 percent. I’m currently 136 and it says 23 percent. I’m 5 ft 8.5. So a reasonably small weight loss gets the fat figure down white a lot.

    I’ve been recomping for about 3 years. I would recommend it for people who have a history of yo yo dieting (like me) and want to look a bit more muscular. I’m pleased with the results. I’m not ripped but I look ‘firmer’ in my lower body and a little muscular in my upper body. I still have fat in my bum legs and tummy though, but in a good light you can see definition.

    Congratulations on your new body, it looks fab.


    Just using your numbers, the body fat % change represents a loss of about 12lb of fat but also a lean mass gain of 3lbs. Since the scale weighs everything, your “reasonably small” scale weight loss masks a more significant body fat change (which, obviously was the whole point of your recomp). Not everyone would see your (great) results with just a scale change alone.

    But I am wondering why you consider your Boditrax results legitimate but not the OP’s (“ignore the machine”) when they use essentially the same technology.

    Thanks, all I meant was that the OP should take it with a pinch of salt. As I did the boditrax. It’s a machine that gives data and bit something to live or die by.