GOUT! How to defeat this evil?

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rashadlc
rashadlc Posts: 15 Member
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Anyone with gout and what are you doing to defeat it once and for all? I've been suffering with this demon for years. Went Vegan for 2 years, but felt horrible and I've studied a lot while doing it. Still had a few gout flare ups. Then decided to try Keto, after anecdotals from several people of not having gout or reversing it with Keto, I gave it try, I felt the best and lost weight, but 6 months into the keto, gout pain was at its worse. Tried Paleo - still gout. Tried, Vegan-keto, still gout (maybe become of being in ketosis).

So now i'm back on plant-based vegan foods.
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  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
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    rashadlc wrote: »
    Anyone with gout and what are you doing to defeat it once and for all? I've been suffering with this demon for years. Went Vegan for 2 years, but felt horrible and I've studied a lot while doing it. Still had a few gout flare ups. Then decided to try Keto, after anecdotals from several people of not having gout or reversing it with Keto, I gave it try, I felt the best and lost weight, but 6 months into the keto, gout pain was at its worse. Tried Paleo - still gout. Tried, Vegan-keto, still gout (maybe become of being in ketosis).

    So now i'm back on plant-based vegan foods.

    Have you been to the doctor because they do have Rx's for gout. There is a genetic component and getting rid of it is really difficult. Did you know that gout and T2 are related. They often go hand in hand. Gout can be the precursor of T2 diabetes down the road.

    https://www.diabetes.co.uk/conditions/gout-and-diabetes.html


    "Research shows that people with gout are significantly more likely to develop type 2 diabetes than people without gout.

    Gout and diabetes

    A number of research papers have shown associations between gout and type 2 diabetes including a study from Harvard Medical School, published in 2014, which showed gout to be associated with a 70 increased risk of developing type 2 diabetes."
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
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    rashadlc wrote: »
    Diatonic12 wrote: »
    rashadlc wrote: »
    Anyone with gout and what are you doing to defeat it once and for all? I've been suffering with this demon for years. Went Vegan for 2 years, but felt horrible and I've studied a lot while doing it. Still had a few gout flare ups. Then decided to try Keto, after anecdotals from several people of not having gout or reversing it with Keto, I gave it try, I felt the best and lost weight, but 6 months into the keto, gout pain was at its worse. Tried Paleo - still gout. Tried, Vegan-keto, still gout (maybe become of being in ketosis).

    So now i'm back on plant-based vegan foods.

    Have you been to the doctor because they do have Rx's for gout. There is a genetic component and getting rid of it is really difficult. Did you know that gout and T2 are related. They often go hand in hand. Gout can be the precursor of T2 diabetes down the road.

    https://www.diabetes.co.uk/conditions/gout-and-diabetes.html


    "Research shows that people with gout are significantly more likely to develop type 2 diabetes than people without gout.

    Gout and diabetes

    A number of research papers have shown associations between gout and type 2 diabetes including a study from Harvard Medical School, published in 2014, which showed gout to be associated with a 70 increased risk of developing type 2 diabetes."

    Yes, I've been to the doctor and the meds they prescribed "Colchicine & allopurinol" is what I usually take. I only get side effects from the colchicine, which is usually stomach issues. I haven't been diagnosed with Type 2-D and my A1-C are in normal range. I notice I get flare ups if I work out that involves jumping or running, even though I stay hydrated. This is frustrating because it limits my workouts.

    Sounds good and you're doing everything you can. Keep an eye on it. All of my relatives who developed gout first developed T2 a few years later and now they have both. During a gout flare they have a tough time but you're proactive. Hope you find a food management plan that will make you feel better.
  • DancingMoosie
    DancingMoosie Posts: 8,613 Member
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    My dad had good luck using baking soda. He swears by a pinch in water, maybe 2-3x day. I've also heard tart cherry is good.
  • lgfrie
    lgfrie Posts: 1,449 Member
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    Colchicine. Ask you Dr about it.
  • donnapal79
    donnapal79 Posts: 30 Member
    edited January 2020
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    DancingMoosie wrote: »
    My dad had good luck using baking soda. He swears by a pinch in water, maybe 2-3x day. I've also heard tart cherry is good.

    My dad swears by cherry juice. Just a small glass every evening. I don't know how it's supposed to work but he claims it helps. He also stays away from trigger foods (most of the time😉) and had to make some adjustments to other medication he was taking. Apparently, some bp medicines will worsen it. He had to tell his doctor about it and ask to be put on something else. But, overall, he does pretty well now. He hasn't had a major flare up in quite some time.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 27,966 Member
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    rashadlc wrote: »
    Diatonic12 wrote: »
    rashadlc wrote: »
    Anyone with gout and what are you doing to defeat it once and for all? I've been suffering with this demon for years. Went Vegan for 2 years, but felt horrible and I've studied a lot while doing it. Still had a few gout flare ups. Then decided to try Keto, after anecdotals from several people of not having gout or reversing it with Keto, I gave it try, I felt the best and lost weight, but 6 months into the keto, gout pain was at its worse. Tried Paleo - still gout. Tried, Vegan-keto, still gout (maybe become of being in ketosis).

    So now i'm back on plant-based vegan foods.

    Have you been to the doctor because they do have Rx's for gout. There is a genetic component and getting rid of it is really difficult. Did you know that gout and T2 are related. They often go hand in hand. Gout can be the precursor of T2 diabetes down the road.

    https://www.diabetes.co.uk/conditions/gout-and-diabetes.html


    "Research shows that people with gout are significantly more likely to develop type 2 diabetes than people without gout.

    Gout and diabetes

    A number of research papers have shown associations between gout and type 2 diabetes including a study from Harvard Medical School, published in 2014, which showed gout to be associated with a 70 increased risk of developing type 2 diabetes."

    Yes, I've been to the doctor and the meds they prescribed "Colchicine & allopurinol" is what I usually take. I only get side effects from the colchicine, which is usually stomach issues. I haven't been diagnosed with Type 2-D and my A1-C are in normal range. I notice I get flare ups if I work out that involves jumping or running, even though I stay hydrated. This is frustrating because it limits my workouts.

    I haven't run since I got out of the military in the 90s and no one could force me to run anymore ;)

    I have knee issues that limit my workouts, but I just work around it and stay positive. There are countless low impact ways to get cardio.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,579 Member
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    Only one way. Don't eat the foods that can cause it to flare up.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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  • peggy_polenta
    peggy_polenta Posts: 312 Member
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    DancingMoosie wrote: »
    My dad had good luck using baking soda. He swears by a pinch in water, maybe 2-3x day. I've also heard tart cherry is good.

    try cherry juice, you don't need much a day. its a little pricey but a bottle should last a while. and has lots of benefits as well. i also think i heard something about pomegranate juice....but i may be wrong.
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,022 Member
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    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Only one way. Don't eat the foods that can cause it to flare up.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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    Well, yes - for those people who have distinct food triggers for this.

    Some of which were mentioned above. Tomatoes are another common one.

    But for many people food makes little, if any, difference.

    My husband gets this and varying his diet made no difference.

    Like poster above, being on a BP med with added dieuretic made it worse ( which makes sense as then urid acid crystals will be more concentrated if one takes fluid out)

    In the end the only thing that works for him is taking ongoing Allupurinol - as long as he does this, outbreaks are very few.
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,022 Member
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    lgfrie wrote: »
    Colchicine. Ask you Dr about it.

    Colchicine treats acute outbreaks - it does not prevent them from occuring.

    It also has very common side effect, as poster above you noted, of diahhrea. (my husband has this side effect from it too)

    You do not take it long term - the idea is to prevent outbreaks and only take colchicine when really neccesary for acute flare ups.

  • kcmcbee
    kcmcbee Posts: 177 Member
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    I started taking a dark cherry supplement daily a couple years ago instead of drinking the juice as it just seemed easier (and cheaper). This was before I modified my diet (which was not aimed at reducing gout). I believe it has helped reduce flare ups which for me was “only” a couple times/year in recent years. I also take the colchicine if I have a hint of a tingle feel coming (not regularly). I can say for the past 3-4 uears have not bad a bad attack like I had had for the prior couple of years before that. Good luck managing it!
  • seat151
    seat151 Posts: 172 Member
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    600mg of Allupurinol per day for me
  • earlnabby
    earlnabby Posts: 8,171 Member
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    A little off the subject but a week or so ago I watched a video about gout being the "Disease of Kings". It was actually kind of fascinating (yes, I like to learn all kinds of weird things). https://youtube.com/watch?v=5c_YoU0Kdvk://
  • Danp
    Danp Posts: 1,561 Member
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    My old man gets gout and usually flares up after he eats prawns (shrimp).

    Never stopped him from eating them though. He loved prawns and said sometime it was worth it. =)
  • rashadlc
    rashadlc Posts: 15 Member
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    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Only one way. Don't eat the foods that can cause it to flare up.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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    I've done that too. Two years on a vegan diet. Although i believe it minimized the gout attacks and flare ups, i still got them. It could of been from jogging or running. Unfortunately, the vegan diet made me feel so lethargic, and low energy. I actually gained weight. I supplemented with B12, and did everything the vegan gurus said to do. I hated the way i felt on it.
  • rashadlc
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    justanotherguy2020 wrote: »
    Gout hurts so bad...!! I had my first encounter with it mid flight between Europe and the states... no pain meds and hours left to go on the flight. I broke out into a sweat from the pain.

    My flare ups are very few and far between. I have medicine in hand in a pinch, but I manage to keep it away by 1) drinking tons of water, 2) having tart cherry juice if I feel a flare up coming on, 3) keeping away from beer, 4) being moderate with red meat.

    I feel for you man... it’s debilitating

    You definitely know the pain then. It's the only pain that makes a grown man cry.

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