How much protein should one consume?

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  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 9,966 Member
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    mmapags wrote: »
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    This is a good survey of recent research, written for a non-scientist audience, that covers different circumstances:

    https://examine.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-do-you-need/

    They even have a spiffy protein "calculator" now:

    https://examine.com/nutrition/protein-intake-calculator/

    I don't know. They're selling supplements, which doesn't give me great confidence in the objectivity of their recommendations.

    Examine.com does not sell supplements. That is incorrect. They state that in the banner on the opening page of their website.

    https://examine.com/

    Then they are supported by advertisers who sell supplements (I didn't click to see who was selling -- they looked like native ads). There's not a big difference in financial motive, other than the ability to carry off the pretense that you don't have a financial motive.
  • saintor1
    saintor1 Posts: 376 Member
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    The average human weight in the world is 137lbs.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/earthnews/9345086/The-worlds-fattest-countries-how-do-you-compare.html

    0.36g/lbs computes indeed with 50g.

    Overweight & obesity for justification of more proteins is not right (at least, not suiting the agenda of that 'World Resource Institute' site)

  • Theoldguy1
    Theoldguy1 Posts: 2,454 Member
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    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    mmapags wrote: »
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    This is a good survey of recent research, written for a non-scientist audience, that covers different circumstances:

    https://examine.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-do-you-need/

    They even have a spiffy protein "calculator" now:

    https://examine.com/nutrition/protein-intake-calculator/

    I don't know. They're selling supplements, which doesn't give me great confidence in the objectivity of their recommendations.

    Examine.com does not sell supplements. That is incorrect. They state that in the banner on the opening page of their website.

    https://examine.com/

    Then they are supported by advertisers who sell supplements (I didn't click to see who was selling -- they looked like native ads). There's not a big difference in financial motive, other than the ability to carry off the pretense that you don't have a financial motive.

    Examine,com also has a paid subscription version.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 32,150 Member
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    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    mmapags wrote: »
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    This is a good survey of recent research, written for a non-scientist audience, that covers different circumstances:

    https://examine.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-do-you-need/

    They even have a spiffy protein "calculator" now:

    https://examine.com/nutrition/protein-intake-calculator/

    I don't know. They're selling supplements, which doesn't give me great confidence in the objectivity of their recommendations.

    Examine.com does not sell supplements. That is incorrect. They state that in the banner on the opening page of their website.

    https://examine.com/

    Then they are supported by advertisers who sell supplements (I didn't click to see who was selling -- they looked like native ads). There's not a big difference in financial motive, other than the ability to carry off the pretense that you don't have a financial motive.

    That's absolutely a valid reason to be skeptical, and to look further, or to decide to ignore them.

    Personally, I've looked at the details behind some of their recommendations, and found them sound. That experience leads me to expect other of their recommendations to be likely to be reasonably well-balanced and evidence-based. In particular, I think their protein recommendations are pretty rational.

    YMMV.

    Nothing's perfect, as we're each likely to have our own take on what the balance of research evidence is on any given point.
  • VictorSmashes
    VictorSmashes Posts: 173 Member
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    saintor1 wrote: »
    RDA calls for 0.36g/lbs, although most of us eat much more. It is all you need unless you want to gain some muscles,

    https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/how-much-protein-do-you-need-every-day-201506188096

    There actually are benefits for going low-protein.
    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325197.php#general-benefits



    Most people eat more?

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    I second the 0.36g/lb (or 0.8 g/kg) just for a sedentary lifestyle, according to ISSN guidelines. You should be at 0.55-0.9 g/lb (1.2-2 g/kg) to gain muscle.
  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
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    VictorSmashes wrote: »
    saintor1 wrote: »
    RDA calls for 0.36g/lbs, although most of us eat much more. It is all you need unless you want to gain some muscles,

    https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/how-much-protein-do-you-need-every-day-201506188096

    There actually are benefits for going low-protein.
    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325197.php#general-benefits



    Most people eat more?

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    I second the 0.36g/lb (or 0.8 g/kg) just for a sedentary lifestyle, according to ISSN guidelines. You should be at 0.55-0.9 g/lb (1.2-2 g/kg) to gain muscle.

    Yep, I generally hit 130-140g a day (which is admittedly high, but I have a reason).

    And again, that 0.36g/lb for sedentary may be fine for those not attempting to lose weight, but more when at a deficit is going to help you preserve LBM. That's the whole crux of this argument. We're on a calorie counting/fitness site, where a lot of people are either looking to lose weight or gain by adding muscle, or are maintaining and leading more active lifestyles. For those who are sedentary and maintaining, carry on with your 0.36g/lb, I guess (that's pretty much covered just by breakfast for me).
  • Theoldguy1
    Theoldguy1 Posts: 2,454 Member
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    kshama2001 wrote: »
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    mmapags wrote: »
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    This is a good survey of recent research, written for a non-scientist audience, that covers different circumstances:

    https://examine.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-do-you-need/

    They even have a spiffy protein "calculator" now:

    https://examine.com/nutrition/protein-intake-calculator/

    I don't know. They're selling supplements, which doesn't give me great confidence in the objectivity of their recommendations.

    Examine.com does not sell supplements. That is incorrect. They state that in the banner on the opening page of their website.

    https://examine.com/

    Then they are supported by advertisers who sell supplements (I didn't click to see who was selling -- they looked like native ads). There's not a big difference in financial motive, other than the ability to carry off the pretense that you don't have a financial motive.

    I turned off my blocker and clicked around the site, including the three links in this thread, and couldn't find any regular ads or pitches for supplements. On what page did you see that they are selling supplements or ads for supplements?

    https://examine.com/about/#funded

    How is Examine.com funded?

    Examine.com is an entirely independent organization, and does not accept any money from outside sources.

    For the vast majority of nutrition websites, revenue is directly proportional to pageviews or products sold—whether they be supplement bottles or diet plans. Thus, rather than an evenhanded and thorough interpretation of the evidence, for many websites, sensationalism sells (read more on sensationalism).

    Rather, 100% of our revenue is generated from additional research syntheses that we sell to both health professionals and laypeople. All of the information on the website is freely accessible; these additional informational products are meant for those looking for added depth and step-by-step instructions.

    Supplement Guides
    • The Examine.com Research Digest
    • Examine Plus
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    We do not allow:
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    We have a very strict no-gift policy for our staff members. Even books that are sent our way are simply deposited into recycling.

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    Regardless, I don't find the NY Times less credible because they have ads. (Not that I see them :lol: ) Of course they have ads.

    Their Research Digest is subscription (lots more detail), but their main site is free as you say.

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  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
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    kshama2001 wrote: »
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    mmapags wrote: »
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    This is a good survey of recent research, written for a non-scientist audience, that covers different circumstances:

    https://examine.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-do-you-need/

    They even have a spiffy protein "calculator" now:

    https://examine.com/nutrition/protein-intake-calculator/

    I don't know. They're selling supplements, which doesn't give me great confidence in the objectivity of their recommendations.

    Examine.com does not sell supplements. That is incorrect. They state that in the banner on the opening page of their website.

    https://examine.com/

    Then they are supported by advertisers who sell supplements (I didn't click to see who was selling -- they looked like native ads). There's not a big difference in financial motive, other than the ability to carry off the pretense that you don't have a financial motive.

    I turned off my blocker and clicked around the site, including the three links in this thread, and couldn't find any regular ads or pitches for supplements. On what page did you see that they are selling supplements or ads for supplements?

    https://examine.com/about/#funded

    How is Examine.com funded?

    Examine.com is an entirely independent organization, and does not accept any money from outside sources.

    For the vast majority of nutrition websites, revenue is directly proportional to pageviews or products sold—whether they be supplement bottles or diet plans. Thus, rather than an evenhanded and thorough interpretation of the evidence, for many websites, sensationalism sells (read more on sensationalism).

    Rather, 100% of our revenue is generated from additional research syntheses that we sell to both health professionals and laypeople. All of the information on the website is freely accessible; these additional informational products are meant for those looking for added depth and step-by-step instructions.

    Supplement Guides
    • The Examine.com Research Digest
    • Examine Plus
    • Fitness Guide
    • Whey Guide
    • Evidence-based Keto

    We do not allow:
    • Donors
    • Sponsors
    • Consulting clients
    • Advertisements
    • Affiliations

    We have a very strict no-gift policy for our staff members. Even books that are sent our way are simply deposited into recycling.

    ***************

    Regardless, I don't find the NY Times less credible because they have ads. (Not that I see them :lol: ) Of course they have ads.

    Interesting, thanks for this info. And like you, I don't find publications, internet or otherwise, less credible because they accept advertising. Typically, the editorial/ information side and the ad revenue side are walled off from each other. Also, I am confident in my own ability to vet the info I read.
  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 9,966 Member
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    mmapags wrote: »
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    mmapags wrote: »
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    This is a good survey of recent research, written for a non-scientist audience, that covers different circumstances:

    https://examine.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-do-you-need/

    They even have a spiffy protein "calculator" now:

    https://examine.com/nutrition/protein-intake-calculator/

    I don't know. They're selling supplements, which doesn't give me great confidence in the objectivity of their recommendations.

    Examine.com does not sell supplements. That is incorrect. They state that in the banner on the opening page of their website.

    https://examine.com/
    wrong

    Then they are supported by advertisers who sell supplements (I didn't click to see who was selling -- they looked like native ads). There's not a big difference in financial motive, other than the ability to carry off the pretense that you don't have a financial motive.

    Instead of just admitting you are wrong, you are sidestepping the question with a pretty convoluted rationale.

    They provide a free service and have to finance it somehow. They do that through advertising. That doesn't change the integrity of their data at all. They never recommend a brand or a supplement that hasn't been researched.

    Quite honestly, your implication is not based on fact, unseemly and comes across as a poor attempt to double down on an outright false claim instead of owning your error.

    Eta: Many websites sell advertising to finance their free service and we all have a financial motive in keeping our business or our job solvent. There is no harm or shame in that.

    The fact that advertising-supported businesses are not in the habit of biting the hand that feeds them is not a convoluted rationale. It is, in fact, one of the reasons that bloggers are required to disclose when they receive payments or even free products.
  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 9,966 Member
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    kshama2001 wrote: »
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    mmapags wrote: »
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    This is a good survey of recent research, written for a non-scientist audience, that covers different circumstances:

    https://examine.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-do-you-need/

    They even have a spiffy protein "calculator" now:

    https://examine.com/nutrition/protein-intake-calculator/

    I don't know. They're selling supplements, which doesn't give me great confidence in the objectivity of their recommendations.

    Examine.com does not sell supplements. That is incorrect. They state that in the banner on the opening page of their website.

    https://examine.com/

    Then they are supported by advertisers who sell supplements (I didn't click to see who was selling -- they looked like native ads). There's not a big difference in financial motive, other than the ability to carry off the pretense that you don't have a financial motive.

    I turned off my blocker and clicked around the site, including the three links in this thread, and couldn't find any regular ads or pitches for supplements. On what page did you see that they are selling supplements or ads for supplements?

    https://examine.com/about/#funded

    How is Examine.com funded?

    Examine.com is an entirely independent organization, and does not accept any money from outside sources.

    For the vast majority of nutrition websites, revenue is directly proportional to pageviews or products sold—whether they be supplement bottles or diet plans. Thus, rather than an evenhanded and thorough interpretation of the evidence, for many websites, sensationalism sells (read more on sensationalism).

    Rather, 100% of our revenue is generated from additional research syntheses that we sell to both health professionals and laypeople. All of the information on the website is freely accessible; these additional informational products are meant for those looking for added depth and step-by-step instructions.

    Supplement Guides
    • The Examine.com Research Digest
    • Examine Plus
    • Fitness Guide
    • Whey Guide
    • Evidence-based Keto

    We do not allow:
    • Donors
    • Sponsors
    • Consulting clients
    • Advertisements
    • Affiliations

    We have a very strict no-gift policy for our staff members. Even books that are sent our way are simply deposited into recycling.

    ***************

    Regardless, I don't find the NY Times less credible because they have ads. (Not that I see them :lol: ) Of course they have ads.

    Since there are advertisements on there sites, I don't see how they can make that claim.
  • kimny72
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    I'm a little confused, because I consult Examine all the time, and the only ads I see are for getting a subscription to Examine. I don't have an ad blocker. Is it possible these ads are Google ads, and they are triggered by the content of the site?

    I tend to distrust sources that sell items they review or that compete with items they review. But if you are going to hold advertising on the site against them, you're pretty much limiting yourself to government and some university sites. Which is fine, but it does limit your research.

    Regardless, it's quite possible to discern over time whether a site is trustworthy or not. I have never heard anyone until this thread suggest Examine isn't a trustworthy source, I've seen many scholarly sources suggest Examine as a good source of information, and I've never seen the site publish anything that suggested to me a conflict of interest. What a weird derail.
    samonaban wrote: »
    Hi guys, so i have been taking notes and reading information/facts on how to lose weight and I’ve read somewhere that you should consume 1g of protein for every pound you weigh as it helps fasten your metabolism. Is this true, can yall confirm? :)

    I've never seen any research suggest that protein increases your metabolism, at least not enough to be concerned about it. The RDA is the minimum necessary to avoid being deficient, so you definitely want to get over that! Typical "middle of the road" recommendation is 0.6-0.8g per lb of your ideal body weight. And I've seen some bodybuilding or fitness sites suggest 1g per, but that's 1g per lb of IDEAL WEIGHT, not your current weight.

    While eating in a deficit, you want to prioritize protein to spare muscle loss, and if you are working out to get fit, you want to prioritize protein for muscle repair and building. So if either of those are your situation, you might want to aim for the higher side of the recommendations (like 0.8g+). As long as you are generally healthy, and prioritizing protein doesn't make you deficient in other areas, it seems unlikely that even 1g per lb or over would cause any harm.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,389 MFP Moderator
    edited February 2020
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    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    mmapags wrote: »
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    This is a good survey of recent research, written for a non-scientist audience, that covers different circumstances:

    https://examine.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-do-you-need/

    They even have a spiffy protein "calculator" now:

    https://examine.com/nutrition/protein-intake-calculator/

    I don't know. They're selling supplements, which doesn't give me great confidence in the objectivity of their recommendations.

    Examine.com does not sell supplements. That is incorrect. They state that in the banner on the opening page of their website.

    https://examine.com/

    Then they are supported by advertisers who sell supplements (I didn't click to see who was selling -- they looked like native ads). There's not a big difference in financial motive, other than the ability to carry off the pretense that you don't have a financial motive.

    I turned off my blocker and clicked around the site, including the three links in this thread, and couldn't find any regular ads or pitches for supplements. On what page did you see that they are selling supplements or ads for supplements?

    https://examine.com/about/#funded

    How is Examine.com funded?

    Examine.com is an entirely independent organization, and does not accept any money from outside sources.

    For the vast majority of nutrition websites, revenue is directly proportional to pageviews or products sold—whether they be supplement bottles or diet plans. Thus, rather than an evenhanded and thorough interpretation of the evidence, for many websites, sensationalism sells (read more on sensationalism).

    Rather, 100% of our revenue is generated from additional research syntheses that we sell to both health professionals and laypeople. All of the information on the website is freely accessible; these additional informational products are meant for those looking for added depth and step-by-step instructions.

    Supplement Guides
    • The Examine.com Research Digest
    • Examine Plus
    • Fitness Guide
    • Whey Guide
    • Evidence-based Keto

    We do not allow:
    • Donors
    • Sponsors
    • Consulting clients
    • Advertisements
    • Affiliations

    We have a very strict no-gift policy for our staff members. Even books that are sent our way are simply deposited into recycling.

    ***************

    Regardless, I don't find the NY Times less credible because they have ads. (Not that I see them :lol: ) Of course they have ads.

    Since there are advertisements on there sites, I don't see how they can make that claim.

    I am seriously curious. What ads? Can you screen print. I have never seen an advertisement on examine.com on any web browser I have used. The literally cut up checks and deny goods so they aren't influenced.
  • ryanflebbe
    ryanflebbe Posts: 188 Member
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    There is a bunch of static and politics, and frankly, BS on this thread, so I'll just reiterate one of the first posts. Yes, about one gram per pound of weight. If you're normal-leanish in weight just go with total bodyweight, if you're pretty overweight, try to guestimate lean body mass and go with that. As long as it's in the ballpark, you'll be fine.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 32,150 Member
    edited February 2020
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    psuLemon wrote: »
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    mmapags wrote: »
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    This is a good survey of recent research, written for a non-scientist audience, that covers different circumstances:

    https://examine.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-do-you-need/

    They even have a spiffy protein "calculator" now:

    https://examine.com/nutrition/protein-intake-calculator/

    I don't know. They're selling supplements, which doesn't give me great confidence in the objectivity of their recommendations.

    Examine.com does not sell supplements. That is incorrect. They state that in the banner on the opening page of their website.

    https://examine.com/

    Then they are supported by advertisers who sell supplements (I didn't click to see who was selling -- they looked like native ads). There's not a big difference in financial motive, other than the ability to carry off the pretense that you don't have a financial motive.

    I turned off my blocker and clicked around the site, including the three links in this thread, and couldn't find any regular ads or pitches for supplements. On what page did you see that they are selling supplements or ads for supplements?

    https://examine.com/about/#funded

    How is Examine.com funded?

    Examine.com is an entirely independent organization, and does not accept any money from outside sources.

    For the vast majority of nutrition websites, revenue is directly proportional to pageviews or products sold—whether they be supplement bottles or diet plans. Thus, rather than an evenhanded and thorough interpretation of the evidence, for many websites, sensationalism sells (read more on sensationalism).

    Rather, 100% of our revenue is generated from additional research syntheses that we sell to both health professionals and laypeople. All of the information on the website is freely accessible; these additional informational products are meant for those looking for added depth and step-by-step instructions.

    Supplement Guides
    • The Examine.com Research Digest
    • Examine Plus
    • Fitness Guide
    • Whey Guide
    • Evidence-based Keto

    We do not allow:
    • Donors
    • Sponsors
    • Consulting clients
    • Advertisements
    • Affiliations

    We have a very strict no-gift policy for our staff members. Even books that are sent our way are simply deposited into recycling.

    ***************

    Regardless, I don't find the NY Times less credible because they have ads. (Not that I see them :lol: ) Of course they have ads.

    Since there are advertisements on there sites, I don't see how they can make that claim.

    I am seriously curious. What ads? Can you screen print. I have never seen an advertisement on examine.com on any web browser I have used. The literally cut up checks and deny goods so they aren't influenced.

    I was just about to post exactly that. I just went back and checked (on two different device types/OSes/browsers) before posting, looking around the site for ads, to make sure I wasn't missing something. The only advertising I see is for their own more in-depth or integrative (cross-topic) research guides that they sell, that go beyond the fairly extensive free content they provide on the site.

    I suppose, in that sense, that the whole site is an ad for their product, but only in approximately the sense that free MFP could be considered advertising for premium MFP. That's kinda reaching. ;)

    They do have a few April Fool's Day articles (clearly-labeled) that were fake "advertisements" for imaginary supplements: Pretty funny.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 27,900 Member
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    psuLemon wrote: »
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    mmapags wrote: »
    lynn_glenmont wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    This is a good survey of recent research, written for a non-scientist audience, that covers different circumstances:

    https://examine.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-do-you-need/

    They even have a spiffy protein "calculator" now:

    https://examine.com/nutrition/protein-intake-calculator/

    I don't know. They're selling supplements, which doesn't give me great confidence in the objectivity of their recommendations.

    Examine.com does not sell supplements. That is incorrect. They state that in the banner on the opening page of their website.

    https://examine.com/

    Then they are supported by advertisers who sell supplements (I didn't click to see who was selling -- they looked like native ads). There's not a big difference in financial motive, other than the ability to carry off the pretense that you don't have a financial motive.

    I turned off my blocker and clicked around the site, including the three links in this thread, and couldn't find any regular ads or pitches for supplements. On what page did you see that they are selling supplements or ads for supplements?

    https://examine.com/about/#funded

    How is Examine.com funded?

    Examine.com is an entirely independent organization, and does not accept any money from outside sources.

    For the vast majority of nutrition websites, revenue is directly proportional to pageviews or products sold—whether they be supplement bottles or diet plans. Thus, rather than an evenhanded and thorough interpretation of the evidence, for many websites, sensationalism sells (read more on sensationalism).

    Rather, 100% of our revenue is generated from additional research syntheses that we sell to both health professionals and laypeople. All of the information on the website is freely accessible; these additional informational products are meant for those looking for added depth and step-by-step instructions.

    Supplement Guides
    • The Examine.com Research Digest
    • Examine Plus
    • Fitness Guide
    • Whey Guide
    • Evidence-based Keto

    We do not allow:
    • Donors
    • Sponsors
    • Consulting clients
    • Advertisements
    • Affiliations

    We have a very strict no-gift policy for our staff members. Even books that are sent our way are simply deposited into recycling.

    ***************

    Regardless, I don't find the NY Times less credible because they have ads. (Not that I see them :lol: ) Of course they have ads.

    Since there are advertisements on there sites, I don't see how they can make that claim.

    I am seriously curious. What ads? Can you screen print. I have never seen an advertisement on examine.com on any web browser I have used. The literally cut up checks and deny goods so they aren't influenced.

    Yes, @lynn_glenmont please post the URL and a screen shot of the ad because I turned off my blocker, checked at least three pages, and did not see any ads.

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