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Whole grains are bad???
lifeovpi
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In this video a doctor tells us various health foods are actually bad and one that sticks out to me is whole grains and oats
I've seen a few of his videos and he basically tells you anything bread related is bad
Are whole grains really that bad for you? I always thought they were healthy
https://youtu.be/oB_PPQ5cHyE
I've seen a few of his videos and he basically tells you anything bread related is bad
Are whole grains really that bad for you? I always thought they were healthy
https://youtu.be/oB_PPQ5cHyE 1
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Blood sugar / insulin fearmongering at its worst.
What the hell kind of a doctor is that?
(Gave up somewhere around 3 minutes and a bit...)
ETA: if you're healthy/non diabetic you have nothing to fear from a blood sugar spike. The body regulates itself wonderfully and thanks you for that yummy oatmeal with energy for the whole day (at least it does in my case!)19 -
Hogwash. Whole grains are not bad for you unless you have a condition that makes them bad for you (like certain immune system conditions or allergies - can't believe this disclaimer needs to be made). Even diabetics are well served by whole grains if they don't eat too much in one sitting. The healthiest places in the world are heavy on whole grains. Insulin is just a modern day boogeyman, and boogeymen are good for views/book sales. Blood glucose going up after a meal is normal behavior for the body, that's exactly how it's supposed to work. It's not a problem unless it is (like if you're diabetic - can't believe this also needs to be said).22
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Diets high in whole grains have been consistently associated with positive health outcomes in observational studies.
I googled the doctor, and shockingly (not shockingly) , he writes keto and IF books and makes money as a Keto speaker. He is also not a registered dietician. So he has a personal financial benefit from getting everyone to think that "the carbs" are evil, and is also not an expert. Just things to consider.18 -
Just because someone says something on you tube doesn't mean it's true.
Just because someone says they are a doctor doesn't mean they are.
Just because someone is a doctor doesn't mean they're a good one.
Just because someone is a good doctor doesn't mean they know everything about everything that happens in every part of the body. Most medical doctors get little education in nutrition and exercise physiology.
Just because someone is a doctor doesn't mean they can't fall for the latest fad. And it doesn't mean they're immune to allowing a desire for profit and/or fame to cloud their vision or even to tempt them to mislead people.
No matter who is talking, you should never throw out something you've seen evidence of due to a you tube video. Feel free to stop and think about it, perhaps use it as motivation to look for more scholarly research on the subject, but going down the you tube rabbit hole of internet gurus/salespeople is the way to madness
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ladyreva78 wrote: »Blood sugar / insulin fearmongering at its worst.
What the hell kind of a doctor is that?
(Gave up somewhere around 3 minutes and a bit...)
ETA: if you're healthy/non diabetic you have nothing to fear from a blood sugar spike. The body regulates itself wonderfully and thanks you for that yummy oatmeal with energy for the whole day (at least it does in my case!)
Family medicine, keto proponent, and trying to sell books.
You made it further into that video than I did.7 -
Nah ignore this guy. If you are diabetic then you have to be very careful with any kind of bread, but if not.... ignore this guy.1
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In this video a doctor tells us various health foods are actually bad and one that sticks out to me is whole grains and oats
I've seen a few of his videos and he basically tells you anything bread related is bad
Are whole grains really that bad for you? I always thought they were healthyhttps://youtu.be/oB_PPQ5cHyE
Nah...this guy is trying to sell keto books.4 -
Read the OP's text but didn't watch the video or read the comments above (yet).
A Google search for this person says their physical practice - as a general practitioner (GP) - has closed and their website is selling a book.
For specific medical advice, I prefer specialists. So for nutrition, I'd rather chat with a nutritionist or - if I suspect something mega-serious - a gastroenterologist. I'd chose either before I rely on a GP. No shade but the "G" stands for general for a reason and part of their role/scope is to refer to specialists.
Also, I wanna keep eating my Ezekiel bread, and the occasional bagel or croissant <-- disclosed personal bias
[Edited to add...] Read everyone's posts above and so happy to see that critical thinking, critical reading and a healthy dose of skepticism are all alive and well.14 -
For the most part there is no food that is bad for you in moderation and any food can be bad for you in huge excess.13
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Doctors, generically, are experts in certain things. One of them is not nutrition.
Registered Dietitians are experts in nutrition. The overwhelming majority of them will tell you that whole grains can be a positive contributor to overall well-rounded nutrition, and that overall well-rounded nutrition is a rational goal in order to get best odds of long term good health.
Listen to the right experts, and pay attention to the majority of those, not the whacky fringe: That's my suggestion.12 -
I would like to point out that meat and proteins also raise insulin levels.
I eat oatmeal almost every morning without a blood glucose spike. Whole grains in general are less likely to cause blood glucose spikes because of the fiber which slows digestion.
This guy is full of it. If you have problems with mad cravings after eating high carb foods, try eating lower carb for a while and see if it helps you with the cravings. But in general healthy people don’t need to worry about this, and even most diabetics like me can safely eat a reasonable portion of whole grains.9 -
Knew there was going to be hogwash when I saw that doctor's face on screen.
He's another quack (Fung being the big one) claiming you can diet away excess skin by just eating the right way.10 -
He is clearly working according to the "Minute Man Principle".
(There's one born every minute.)7 -
Well, he has a stethoscope around his neck, I better listen!8
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nutmegoreo wrote: »ladyreva78 wrote: »Blood sugar / insulin fearmongering at its worst.
What the hell kind of a doctor is that?
(Gave up somewhere around 3 minutes and a bit...)
ETA: if you're healthy/non diabetic you have nothing to fear from a blood sugar spike. The body regulates itself wonderfully and thanks you for that yummy oatmeal with energy for the whole day (at least it does in my case!)
Family medicine, keto proponent, and trying to sell books.
You made it further into that video than I did.
In my defense, I was stuck on the train and figured "I have nothing better to do". Even so I couldn't force myself through the whole thing. Watching the drunk lolling around on the seat across the isle from me was far far far more interesting (although I could have done without as well
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YouTube doctors are not legitimate doctors. If you see “You won’t believe [X]” anywhere (on or off YT), save yourself some time and unnecessary fear and move on.
Barring specific medical conditions, whole grains are good for you. Anyone who says otherwise is either uninformed or is trying to sell snake oil.5 -
This is great! I remember having a discussion with a doctor friend who, while very smart, has apparently bought in to the whole "sugar is evil" philosophy. I remember thinking, "She's a doctor! How can she believe this?"Just because someone says something on you tube doesn't mean it's true.
Just because someone says they are a doctor doesn't mean they are.
Just because someone is a doctor doesn't mean they're a good one.
Just because someone is a good doctor doesn't mean they know everything about everything that happens in every part of the body. Most medical doctors get little education in nutrition and exercise physiology.
Just because someone is a doctor doesn't mean they can't fall for the latest fad. And it doesn't mean they're immune to allowing a desire for profit and/or fame to cloud their vision or even to tempt them to mislead people.
No matter who is talking, you should never throw out something you've seen evidence of due to a you tube video. Feel free to stop and think about it, perhaps use it as motivation to look for more scholarly research on the subject, but going down the you tube rabbit hole of internet gurus/salespeople is the way to madness6 -
I'm not a doctor, but I used to drink Dr. Pepper from time to time, and I've used Dr. Bronner's castile soap. I've even eaten some of Dr. Praeger's burgers. Look for my book soon on Amazon. It will tell you all you need to know to (lose/gain your choice) weight, and make my wallet fat.
Oh crap, I don't want to bother writing a book. Just send me cash, and you will lose the weight. You can even eat pizza and bagels. You can even eat pizza bagels! Wait 'till you see my recipe for vegan Scotch Eggs!15 -
Some glucose is good for you. So too much of anything is bad. I don't think whole grains are terribly bad in an of themselves.0
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No they're not bad for you, unless you have a medical condition like diabetes. Yes, whole grains are healthy.
Saying wrong things on YouTube is a way to get more people to watch your video, and then you get more ad revenue.1 -
If eating grains is wrong, I don't wanna be right...4
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I am a type 2 diabetic, so diagnosed in December, 2019 after nearly 30 years of high blood sugar levels (which now has a medical name - pre-diabetes) I've been doing a LOT of reading as well as testing. I test my BG (Blood Glucose) first thing in the morning and two hours after meals. I also test foods to see what they do to me. So, although I am not an expert, I can talk intelligently about the disease and how different foods affect my blood sugar levels.
One serving of oatmeal without sugar does not budge my BG (blood glucose) level. Drop in a tsp of brown sugar and it it spikes. No sugar (or sorbitol like in sugar free syrup) and no spikes.
Other whole grain products are pretty much the same. However, if I eat 3 servings of oatmeal, my BG does spike and takes nearly 24 hours to drop back towards a more normal reading. I can eat a serving of whole grain ellbow macaroni without any problems, but not two or three servings.
Too many carbs are bad for everyone, but all bodies need carbs which are turned into sugar which the primary food our cells "eat". Eating sensibly is one of the secrets of being/becoming healthy. So is eating balanced meals. MFP can help with that.
Humans were designed to eat both plants and animals. We need fiber, carbs, and protein in balanced amounts. We also need to move more than we sit.
Any fad diet is just that - a fad: "an intense and widely shared enthusiasm for something, especially one that is short-lived and without basis in the object's qualities". The video is just one more propaganda - a couple facts supported by a lot of hype and opinion.
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So Dr. Ken Berry is a board certified family practice doctor from Camden, Tennessee. I believe his primary focus is obesity and diabetics. While some of his videos have some good information, the rest are pretty much, eat a Ketogenic or carnivore based diet because it worked for him and helped cleared up some of his issues (gout). He tends to focus on the anthropological/Paleolithic approach that you should eat based on your history. Those who should eat more carbs/fruits are those with ancestors closer to the equator.
Grains are fine, especially those less processed and having higher amounts of fiber.3 -
Whole grains are fine...
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Whole Grains Have Numerous Health Benefits
Longevity
Obesity
Heart disease
Colon cancer etc.1 -
thakurhimanshi815 wrote: »Whole Grains Have Numerous Health Benefits
Longevity
Obesity
Heart disease
Colon cancer etc.
Nonsense...2 -
Glycemic Load is the overall thing that matters. If you pair your carbs with fats and proteins from a healthy source the overall load of the food does not cause huge sugar and insulin spikes. It boils down to a balanced meal. The problem is that fat in our diet was blamed for the obesity problem so there was a heavy shift to a carbohydrate based diet. When they saw that people got worse the Keto and low carb diets came along. Now people are becoming carbophobes and gorging on fats and proteins. Just eat a balanced meal people! Stop the fad diets! Stop being carbophobes!1
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I don't think that grains are bad, but I do feel more energized when I eat less of them. I also feel like I just can't lose weight when eating higher carbs.
My doctor has said that I am sliiiightly insulin resistant. She prescribed a small dosage of metformin that she said was optional. So this may be the reason for my sleepiness and weight loss struggle with carbs.
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thakurhimanshi815 wrote: »Whole Grains Have Numerous Health Benefits
Longevity
Obesity
Heart disease
Colon cancer etc.
Nonsense...
Since whole grains have been under close scrutiny and review for the last 15 years or so, there is a big (and ever expanding) amount of research and evidence on their potential benefits in a number of different areas. Here is a quick google search for each point thakurhimanshi815 listed.
Association Between Dietary Whole Grain Intake and Risk of Mortality
Whole-grain consumption and risk of coronary heart disease: results from the Nurses' Health Study
The Relationship between Whole Grain Intake and Body Weight: Results of Meta-Analyses of Observational Studies and Randomized Controlled Trials
Whole Grain Consumption for the Prevention and Treatment of Breast Cancer
Whole grain consumption and risk of colorectal cancer: a population-based cohort of 60 000 women
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