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Clean Eating (Experience?)
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amusedmonkey wrote: »My personal take on this: giving it a name puts unnecessary restrictions on your diet because if it has a name it must have rules. I'm a big fan of "adding instead of removing". By adding a lot of vegetables and nutritious foods to your diet, you're basically set nutritionally, even if you eat some less nutritious foods. Clean eating, depending on how someone defines it, can actually result in removing nutrients. I track all of my nutrients consistently and my main source of vitamin E is sunflower oil, which is usually considered processed.
That's a great thing to add, that limiting what you eat can actually REMOVE some essential nutrients. I also think it's smart to add the things we need instead of restricting ourselves from the "bad" stuff. Thanks for your input!!4 -
I don't know why a simple term must cause such controversy. Seriously, its just a description and subject to opinion. It can mean so many things to different people. One person who feels they " eat clean" ( self boasting or subjecting to some criteria they feel they should) may not to another who thinks THIER diet is clean.
When rthis term is asked about, rather than go after it, say all kinds of negative comments, offer your way of being healthy without even quoting the term? 🤔
Getting back to the original question, what I do is aim for balance and keep calories in check. I prefer vegetables, healthy fats, adequate protein and am plant based. I think stating you want to eat healthier is probably a better analogy. If then, should you have a cookie its not a " deal breaker" on " eating clean" . It just means you had a cookie.6 -
I don't know why a simple term must cause such controversy. Seriously, its just a description and subject to opinion. It can mean so many things to different people. One person who feels they " eat clean" ( self boasting or subjecting to some criteria they feel they should) may not to another who thinks THIER diet is clean.
When rthis term is asked about, rather than go after it, say all kinds of negative comments, offer your way of being healthy without even quoting the term? 🤔
Getting back to the original question, what I do is aim for balance and keep calories in check. I prefer vegetables, healthy fats, adequate protein and am plant based. I think stating you want to eat healthier is probably a better analogy. If then, should you have a cookie its not a " deal breaker" on " eating clean" . It just means you had a cookie.
If "clean eating" and "eating healthier" are truly referring to the same thing, then why did we need to invent a new term at all? And why do so many "clean eaters" disparage the way that others eat, even when those others are meeting their nutritional requirements and feeling happy about the way they eat?17 -
janejellyroll wrote: »I don't know why a simple term must cause such controversy. Seriously, its just a description and subject to opinion. It can mean so many things to different people. One person who feels they " eat clean" ( self boasting or subjecting to some criteria they feel they should) may not to another who thinks THIER diet is clean.
When rthis term is asked about, rather than go after it, say all kinds of negative comments, offer your way of being healthy without even quoting the term? 🤔
Getting back to the original question, what I do is aim for balance and keep calories in check. I prefer vegetables, healthy fats, adequate protein and am plant based. I think stating you want to eat healthier is probably a better analogy. If then, should you have a cookie its not a " deal breaker" on " eating clean" . It just means you had a cookie.
If "clean eating" and "eating healthier" are truly referring to the same thing, then why did we need to invent a new term at all? And why do so many "clean eaters" disparage the way that others eat, even when those others are meeting their nutritional requirements and feeling happy about the way they eat?
Because it's the internet. New terms for the same thing are invented all the time. It's also just as common for "non-clean eaters" to knock "clean eaters" choices.6 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I don't know why a simple term must cause such controversy. Seriously, its just a description and subject to opinion. It can mean so many things to different people. One person who feels they " eat clean" ( self boasting or subjecting to some criteria they feel they should) may not to another who thinks THIER diet is clean.
When rthis term is asked about, rather than go after it, say all kinds of negative comments, offer your way of being healthy without even quoting the term? 🤔
Getting back to the original question, what I do is aim for balance and keep calories in check. I prefer vegetables, healthy fats, adequate protein and am plant based. I think stating you want to eat healthier is probably a better analogy. If then, should you have a cookie its not a " deal breaker" on " eating clean" . It just means you had a cookie.
If "clean eating" and "eating healthier" are truly referring to the same thing, then why did we need to invent a new term at all? And why do so many "clean eaters" disparage the way that others eat, even when those others are meeting their nutritional requirements and feeling happy about the way they eat?
Because it's the internet. New terms for the same thing are invented all the time. It's also just as common for "non-clean eaters" to knock "clean eaters" choices.
We eat the same foods "clean eaters" do, we just aren't limiting ourselves to them. Nobody is calling their food choices "garbage," "junk," and "trash," like we commonly see them describe foods they choose not to eat (or, in most cases, are temporarily restricting from their diet).15 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I don't know why a simple term must cause such controversy. Seriously, its just a description and subject to opinion. It can mean so many things to different people. One person who feels they " eat clean" ( self boasting or subjecting to some criteria they feel they should) may not to another who thinks THIER diet is clean.
When rthis term is asked about, rather than go after it, say all kinds of negative comments, offer your way of being healthy without even quoting the term? 🤔
Getting back to the original question, what I do is aim for balance and keep calories in check. I prefer vegetables, healthy fats, adequate protein and am plant based. I think stating you want to eat healthier is probably a better analogy. If then, should you have a cookie its not a " deal breaker" on " eating clean" . It just means you had a cookie.
If "clean eating" and "eating healthier" are truly referring to the same thing, then why did we need to invent a new term at all? And why do so many "clean eaters" disparage the way that others eat, even when those others are meeting their nutritional requirements and feeling happy about the way they eat?
Because it's the internet. New terms for the same thing are invented all the time. It's also just as common for "non-clean eaters" to knock "clean eaters" choices.
We eat the same foods "clean eaters" do, we just aren't limiting ourselves to them. Nobody is calling their food choices "garbage," "junk," and "trash," like we commonly see them describe foods they choose not to eat (or, in most cases, are temporarily restricting from their diet).
In my experience people who choose not to eat the "non-clean" items (doughnuts, cookies, cake, candy etc at work for example) get a lot more *kitten* than the "clean eaters" are giving the "non-clean" eaters.
Note, I'm a sample of 1, others experiences may vary.9 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I don't know why a simple term must cause such controversy. Seriously, its just a description and subject to opinion. It can mean so many things to different people. One person who feels they " eat clean" ( self boasting or subjecting to some criteria they feel they should) may not to another who thinks THIER diet is clean.
When rthis term is asked about, rather than go after it, say all kinds of negative comments, offer your way of being healthy without even quoting the term? 🤔
Getting back to the original question, what I do is aim for balance and keep calories in check. I prefer vegetables, healthy fats, adequate protein and am plant based. I think stating you want to eat healthier is probably a better analogy. If then, should you have a cookie its not a " deal breaker" on " eating clean" . It just means you had a cookie.
If "clean eating" and "eating healthier" are truly referring to the same thing, then why did we need to invent a new term at all? And why do so many "clean eaters" disparage the way that others eat, even when those others are meeting their nutritional requirements and feeling happy about the way they eat?
Because it's the internet. New terms for the same thing are invented all the time. It's also just as common for "non-clean eaters" to knock "clean eaters" choices.
We eat the same foods "clean eaters" do, we just aren't limiting ourselves to them. Nobody is calling their food choices "garbage," "junk," and "trash," like we commonly see them describe foods they choose not to eat (or, in most cases, are temporarily restricting from their diet).
In my experience people who choose not to eat the "non-clean" items (doughnuts, cookies, cake, candy etc at work for example) get a lot more *kitten* than the "clean eaters" are giving the "non-clean" eaters.
Note, I'm a sample of 1, others experiences may vary.
Another sample of one here. I'm not a "clean eater," but I'm vegan which means I'm frequently turning down cake, donuts, candy, and cookies in work and social settings. In my experience, nobody cares, especially when you don't give a reason and just say "no thanks." For all they know, you're just not hungry or you don't like that particular thing. It doesn't need to be a big pronouncement. If people are getting blowback for "clean eating," maybe it's because they're making it a bigger thing than is socially tactful (at least in some cases).19 -
Clean Eating is basically an old term. It's what filtered out to the general public decades ago before better strategies were created. It describes a highly restrictive diet that places foods in good and bad categories based on inaccurate and sometimes arbitrarily criteria. It's largely unsustainable and causes people to burn out and give up because it is too hard. Or they add cheat days... which means they're actually not "clean eating".
The newer thinking is that instead of focusing on foods being good or bad, focus how they contribute to your overall goals. Goals like macronutrients and micronutrients and your overall calorie goal. How much protein, fat, carbs, fiber, and vitamins you need per day. Your body can only absorb so many nutrients per day and you don't get extra points for more, your body just excretes them.
The newer less restrictive strategy is called flexible dieting. Once you've met your daily macronutrient and micronutrient goals, if you have calories left, it's perfectly fine to use them however you want. As long as you don't go over your calories and you've already met your nutrition goals, it won't have any negative effects and can have huge positive benefits for your mental health. Food is no longer good or bad, it either fits in your day or it doesn't. With clean eating, if you have a treat it was bad and you're a failure. Which can lead to disordered thinking about food.
When I first read about flexible dieting (it was called IIFYM or If It Fits Your Macros back then), years of hearing you had to eat clean made me think it sounded WAY to good to be true, so I tested it and it actually worked. 5 years later I'm still using it.
There's lots of eating strategies: clean eating, Paleo, low carb, etc, but flexible dieting seems like the most balanced approach. It accounts for calories, macronutrients, micronutrients, mental health and sustainability. Which is why I think so many people find success with it.13 -
I do not care if a person eats "clean" UNLESS it interferes with their bigger goals. I am a big believer in flexibility. I also believe that the lure of 'normal' wins more than it doesn't. In other words most people that try eating "clean" will abandon it. I just hope they do not abandon their weight loss goals, if they have any, with it.
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errollmaclean wrote: »Clean Eating is basically an old term. It's what filtered out to the general public decades ago before better strategies were created. It describes a highly restrictive diet that places foods in good and bad categories based on inaccurate and sometimes arbitrarily criteria. It's largely unsustainable and causes people to burn out and give up because it is too hard. Or they add cheat days... which means they're actually not "clean eating".
The newer thinking is that instead of focusing on foods being good or bad, focus how they contribute to your overall goals. Goals like macronutrients and micronutrients and your overall calorie goal. How much protein, fat, carbs, fiber, and vitamins you need per day. Your body can only absorb so many nutrients per day and you don't get extra points for more, your body just excretes them.
The newer less restrictive strategy is called flexible dieting. Once you've met your daily macronutrient and micronutrient goals, if you have calories left, it's perfectly fine to use them however you want. As long as you don't go over your calories and you've already met your nutrition goals, it won't have any negative effects and can have huge positive benefits for your mental health. Food is no longer good or bad, it either fits in your day or it doesn't. With clean eating, if you have a treat it was bad and you're a failure. Which can lead to disordered thinking about food.
When I first read about flexible dieting (it was called IIFYM or If It Fits Your Macros back then), years of hearing you had to eat clean made me think it sounded WAY to good to be true, so I tested it and it actually worked. 5 years later I'm still using it.
There's lots of eating strategies: clean eating, Paleo, low carb, etc, but flexible dieting seems like the most balanced approach. It accounts for calories, macronutrients, micronutrients, mental health and sustainability. Which is why I think so many people find success with it.
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This ^^^. Pretty good. Realistic.4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »I don't know why a simple term must cause such controversy. Seriously, its just a description and subject to opinion. It can mean so many things to different people. One person who feels they " eat clean" ( self boasting or subjecting to some criteria they feel they should) may not to another who thinks THIER diet is clean.
When rthis term is asked about, rather than go after it, say all kinds of negative comments, offer your way of being healthy without even quoting the term? 🤔
Getting back to the original question, what I do is aim for balance and keep calories in check. I prefer vegetables, healthy fats, adequate protein and am plant based. I think stating you want to eat healthier is probably a better analogy. If then, should you have a cookie its not a " deal breaker" on " eating clean" . It just means you had a cookie.
If "clean eating" and "eating healthier" are truly referring to the same thing, then why did we need to invent a new term at all? And why do so many "clean eaters" disparage the way that others eat, even when those others are meeting their nutritional requirements and feeling happy about the way they eat?
Exactly this.6 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I don't know why a simple term must cause such controversy. Seriously, its just a description and subject to opinion. It can mean so many things to different people. One person who feels they " eat clean" ( self boasting or subjecting to some criteria they feel they should) may not to another who thinks THIER diet is clean.
When rthis term is asked about, rather than go after it, say all kinds of negative comments, offer your way of being healthy without even quoting the term? 🤔
Getting back to the original question, what I do is aim for balance and keep calories in check. I prefer vegetables, healthy fats, adequate protein and am plant based. I think stating you want to eat healthier is probably a better analogy. If then, should you have a cookie its not a " deal breaker" on " eating clean" . It just means you had a cookie.
If "clean eating" and "eating healthier" are truly referring to the same thing, then why did we need to invent a new term at all? And why do so many "clean eaters" disparage the way that others eat, even when those others are meeting their nutritional requirements and feeling happy about the way they eat?
Because it's the internet. New terms for the same thing are invented all the time. It's also just as common for "non-clean eaters" to knock "clean eaters" choices.
We eat the same foods "clean eaters" do, we just aren't limiting ourselves to them. Nobody is calling their food choices "garbage," "junk," and "trash," like we commonly see them describe foods they choose not to eat (or, in most cases, are temporarily restricting from their diet).
In my experience people who choose not to eat the "non-clean" items (doughnuts, cookies, cake, candy etc at work for example) get a lot more *kitten* than the "clean eaters" are giving the "non-clean" eaters.
Note, I'm a sample of 1, others experiences may vary.
From what you've said in the past, you aren't a clean eater, so no clue why you are attacking those pointing out that "eating clean" is not the same as focusing on nutrition. Not clean is way broader than you seem to think, btw.6 -
I was really STRICT on clean eating at the start of March. I tend to be really emotional, and have imbalanced hormones (which I'm really working on right now).
When I was eating well in March, AFTER JUST 9 DAY, I noticed a HUGE SHIFT in mental attitude!! My emotions were way more stable and my thinking was clearer. I'm getting back into the swing of it again now.7 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I don't know why a simple term must cause such controversy. Seriously, its just a description and subject to opinion. It can mean so many things to different people. One person who feels they " eat clean" ( self boasting or subjecting to some criteria they feel they should) may not to another who thinks THIER diet is clean.
When rthis term is asked about, rather than go after it, say all kinds of negative comments, offer your way of being healthy without even quoting the term? 🤔
Getting back to the original question, what I do is aim for balance and keep calories in check. I prefer vegetables, healthy fats, adequate protein and am plant based. I think stating you want to eat healthier is probably a better analogy. If then, should you have a cookie its not a " deal breaker" on " eating clean" . It just means you had a cookie.
If "clean eating" and "eating healthier" are truly referring to the same thing, then why did we need to invent a new term at all? And why do so many "clean eaters" disparage the way that others eat, even when those others are meeting their nutritional requirements and feeling happy about the way they eat?
Because it's the internet. New terms for the same thing are invented all the time. It's also just as common for "non-clean eaters" to knock "clean eaters" choices.
We eat the same foods "clean eaters" do, we just aren't limiting ourselves to them. Nobody is calling their food choices "garbage," "junk," and "trash," like we commonly see them describe foods they choose not to eat (or, in most cases, are temporarily restricting from their diet).
In my experience people who choose not to eat the "non-clean" items (doughnuts, cookies, cake, candy etc at work for example) get a lot more *kitten* than the "clean eaters" are giving the "non-clean" eaters.
Note, I'm a sample of 1, others experiences may vary.
From what you've said in the past, you aren't a clean eater, so no clue why you are attacking those pointing out that "eating clean" is not the same as focusing on nutrition. Not clean is way broader than you seem to think, btw.
BTW, there is no common definition of clean eating lol.
MY DEFINTION of clean eating involves a minimal amount of low nutrient foods in the diet. This may not jive with others but that's fine. I think most will find that in many cases nutrient dense foods will have a minimal amount of processing, "frankenfood" ingredients so a fair amount of overlap between "nutrient dense" and common descriptions of "clean".8 -
It has no real meaning.
As part of my “plan of attack” on my weight, I stopped eating most pre-made items. It seemed more nutritious and calorie aware to substitute fruit, cottage cheese, air-popped popcorn, homemade beef jerky in lieu of a box of Oreos, a carton of donuts, or a sack of candy. Instead of bottled sauces, I reach for spice mixes.
If a product has a lot of unpronounceable chemicals or additives, I usually don’t put it in my shopping basket.
I often used to punish myself with food, so by the same token, it feels like I’ve rewarded myself when I eat something simple.
I’m beyond thrilled I’ve discovered a low calorie loaf bread that doesn’t have cellulose (? I get my ‘loses mixed up) in it. It’s 35 calories a slice and has ingredients I recognize. The calorie savings is because a slice is about 2/3 the weight of a regular loaf slice. I’m perfectly OK with that.
Having said all that, my new vice is Jordan’s sugar free Salted Caramel syrup in my chai.
Does feel like a snake biting its own tail sometimes, lol.3 -
Current clean eater here. For context, I've never been overweight and eating has always been about supporting my athletic hobbies so I might have a different relationship with food than others and see things with a different perspective.
Definition? I haven't seen a strict definition on the term but from what I have seen it basically encourages whole foods. Because of its vagueness I believe it allows flexibility and a personal/relative application.
Strictness? As strict as you want and can. Veganism is one of the strictest diets but even it allows exceptions based on ability - "as far as is possible and practicable".
Likes? My athletic performance and recovery is better. I also feel better in my body - i.e., less bloat and GI issues.
Health and feeling? I perform athletically best when my diet is clean. I suspect it is just about blood flow ease and recovery speed. I'm more likely to exercise and enjoy it when I eat clean so mentally I feel better (vs with a hangover and pizza baby I probably won't exercise and I'll feel bad). The only mental change I noticed based on diet was when I started meeting Vitamin D and B-12 goals - I believe it was the Vitamin D.
I think comparing it to veganism is pretty telling. Veganism is an ethical stance, it just happens that one of the most visible expressions is through food choices. If the point is that "clean eating" is perceived by adherents as an expression of ethical values, I'd have to agree based on some of the statements I've seen. There is a claim of virtue in a lot of the dialogue around it.12 -
IMO, part of the problem with "clean eating" as commonly** perceived, with the focus on individual foods that are "clean" so good to eat, vs. "not clean" so not good to eat, is that it's tangential to good nutrition.
A person can eat "clean" and get good overall nutrition, or get pretty poor overall nutrition. (FreeLee the banana girl as a symbol of the latter, anyone? ). Ditto for "non-clean" eaters: Some get good overall nutrition in the major ways, some don't.
From looking at diaries around here, it seems distressingly common among both the "clean" and "unclean" to get too little protein, and too little MUFAs/PUFA/O-3s. No matter who's doing that, it's not good nutrition, it's not really "eating healthfully". Admittedly, many (surprisingly not all) of the "clean eaters" plenty of veggies/fruits, which is good (but not sufficient).
In my mind, that's the problem with focusing on "clean eating" first and foremost: Nutrition is important. How you get there has relevance to health, but first simply getting enough calories, and decent nutrition (macros, micros, fiber, etc.), are both more important than whether the foods that get you that nutrition are "clean" "highly processed", etc.
Starting with "eat clean" (vs. "get good nutrition") isn't all that helpful. It can be a complete red herring.
Most of the foods that people would consider "clean" are foods that are, in fact, good to eat, of course: Nutrient dense, often more filling. Some (maybe many) of the foods that are "not clean" are not good candidates to make a majority of one's way of eating: Not nutrient dense, not filling, high calorie.
It's also false that people disputing the term "clean eating" are eating more poorly than the "clean" advocates, either in terms of nutrition, or in terms of what many "clean" banner-wavers would normally consider "clean". From looking at diaries here over several years, some of the "clean" banner-wavers don't eat all that "clean", even by their own definitions. Some of those who push back on "clean" are pretty pure, by those same definitions. It's weird.
Repeating the key point: Eating all and only "clean foods" doesn't necessarily get you good, balanced nutrition. It can potentially distract from that very important goal.
** Obviously not universal, since there's no standard universal definition.
P.S. I'm not saying all or even most "clean eaters" get poor nutrition. That would be a ridiculous misinterpretation of anything I actually wrote above.11 -
So... lol...
It's pretty safe to say that "clean eating" is exactly what it has been established at the beginning...
People with unclear definitions of what clean eating is because it's made up to what they think it should be, based on their own opinion.
As you can see OP... you've got a bunch of people who claim to be clean eaters but they all kind of have their own way of doing it..
Most "unclean" eaters eat all the same foods but dont limit themselves to a strict list because its unnecessary, and people only choose to clean eat based on their own belief, that's why the term has no solid definition, it's like religion... people believe in this or that and follow what suits them, not because it's an absolute. Which is fine, whatever floats your boat.
And like everything else, you have the hardcore believers who take it way too seriously like I said in my first post and use it as a podium to elevate themselves and make themselves seem better.
I can honestly say that besides the advice given of how unnecessary clean eating is, because most people asking about it or just starting it seem to be under the impression that its needed for weight loss or will be the solution to whatever they blame unclean food for, I've never really seen anyone give a clean eater slack over their choice of foods if they're just eating that way for their own choice.
It's only when someone comes to a thread and states that they are a clean eater so they dont eat that stuff because it's better for their health, to a person wondering if it's okay to eat a donut or whatever, that they probably do get slack, and that's because the "unclean" eaters dont want that person to over complicate their life for no real reason. That person should know that it's okay to have that donut. That person should know that clean eating is simply an individual belief and not a necessity.
I've never seen anyone just go after a clean eater because they posted that they ate something healthy today that didnt come from a box. Most of us already do that even if we dont eat clean.
Personal belief in anything is always a hot button for people.. that's why my first comment has all those disagrees lol cause how dare I say that..
Man.. if someone was going around preaching about how healthy they are eating compared to someone who wasnt eating healthy, I'd tell them they were making themselves sound better then they are too... you just dont usually get posts like that here because eating healthy and moderately is the goal, all foods are given a chance as long as you reach your nutritional requirements, it's better to start with everything on the table and neutral then to push persoal belief on to a stranger.10 -
Current clean eater here. For context, I've never been overweight and eating has always been about supporting my athletic hobbies so I might have a different relationship with food than others and see things with a different perspective.
Definition? I haven't seen a strict definition on the term but from what I have seen it basically encourages whole foods. Because of its vagueness I believe it allows flexibility and a personal/relative application.
Strictness? As strict as you want and can. Veganism is one of the strictest diets but even it allows exceptions based on ability - "as far as is possible and practicable".
Likes? My athletic performance and recovery is better. I also feel better in my body - i.e., less bloat and GI issues.
Health and feeling? I perform athletically best when my diet is clean. I suspect it is just about blood flow ease and recovery speed. I'm more likely to exercise and enjoy it when I eat clean so mentally I feel better (vs with a hangover and pizza baby I probably won't exercise and I'll feel bad). The only mental change I noticed based on diet was when I started meeting Vitamin D and B-12 goals - I believe it was the Vitamin D.
This was really insightful. I also find myself performing better mentally and with more energy when I eat the right things. The right things for me are often what clean eaters might consider "clean" versus "unclean". (However, I think when the term "unclean" is introduced, it brings some controversy. So maybe clean eating shouldn't be about avoiding the bad things but focusing on the things that are simple, energizing, and whole.) I would rather eat several fruits and veggies, eggs, ham, cheese, and let it all dictate my breakfast and lunch so that I can feel fresh and ready for an afternoon workout, rather than, like you said, after eating some pizza and maybe a sugary snack, then .. working out or playing a sport? Not with ease. I remember getting Jimmy John's before a wrestling meet... Bad idea to eat a cookie before hand even though I felt great with the just the apple. I think clean eating shouldn't be about degrading people who don't eat clean, but about eating for the personal feel-good mentally. Feeling like not just the food is "clean" but so am I.5 -
My breakfast this morning was protein pancakes made with organic unflavored whey, egg, locally made yogurt, baking powder and safflower oil. Served with organic maple syrup and locally grown blackberries. Clean eating or dirty??
I mean, it could go either way right? Protein powder is processed. So is flour. How about the baking powder??9
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