Dukan diet anyone

daniel_mdsn28 · April 2020

So I am on my third day of this diet not bad so far. Anyone else doing this diet?

paperpudding · April 2020

never heard of it

Unicorn_Bacon · April 2020

Legit questions..

Mostly cause I'm curious

But this 4 step diet plan, on step 4 it claims you can eat whatever you like as to maintain your losses, except once a week you have to keep doing phase 1..

Phase 1 says you eat all the lean protein you can handle.. and I know protein offers satiety, but I mean, for me, I could eat whole chickens to myself lol, if someone gave me an all access pass to all the meat, i could easily eat my 1800 calories i need to lose in lean meats and I have a lot to lose, what about those with 10lbs to lose?

So how do they ensure someone is eating less then their maintenance? How do they ensure someone isnt under eating?

And if phase 4 is eat whatever you like... couldnt you just do that from the start? I mean obviously its helping you maintain.. so eating slightly less would potentially cause loss assuming that there was some kind of guidelines and not just an all access pass like it seems there is..

because what I'm reading it says "unlimited" amounts of veggies every other day and vague amounts like that.

I mean... I'm eating lean meats and veggies and all that now... and I have no problems hitting 1800 as I said, and I could definitely eat another 500 calories more in food, and if I was doing what they said, I'd never lose.

I guess I'm just wondering why this diet appeals to people? It seems like pointless phases and vague amounts to eat followed by ending with eat whatever you want at the end..

bpetrosky · April 2020

It's a pretty obscure diet plan; a restrictive low carb, high protein type plan. It's not well regarded from what I've seen.

lilianbates3578 · May 2020

I’ve just started phase 2!! Lost almost 3kg in the first week!! I love this diet. The reason the calorie restriction is unlimited is because if you only eat protein (which is basically phase 1 and 2) then your insulin level never spikes so you’re not converting any carbs to energy/fat stores. All your energy comes from fat stores in your body being converted to energy. Honestly, a lot of the weight you lose at the start is water weight because you’re not eating carbs so they’re not absorbing as much liquid, but it’s still an incredible way to lose weight if nothing else has worked for you.

KrissFlavored · May 2020

So basically... your happy losing water and not fat? Lol..

lemurcat2 · May 2020

Dukan diet always makes me think about rabbit starvation. I suppose most people don't actually stick only to super lean meat to that extent, and it sounds like vegetables are somewhat encouraged, maybe (although comments about no carbs, and the fact that many people would interpret "unlimited veg" as "very few" from what I've see in some diets, still makes me worry a bit).

https://www.raising-rabbits.com/rabbit-starvation.html

springlering62 · May 2020

That was a strangely interesting article. I had no idea.

mmapags · May 2020

lilianbates3578 wrote: »

I’ve just started phase 2!! Lost almost 3kg in the first week!! I love this diet. The reason the calorie restriction is unlimited is because if you only eat protein (which is basically phase 1 and 2) then your insulin level never spikes so you’re not converting any carbs to energy/fat stores. All your energy comes from fat stores in your body being converted to energy. Honestly, a lot of the weight you lose at the start is water weight because you’re not eating carbs so they’re not absorbing as much liquid, but it’s still an incredible way to lose weight if nothing else has worked for you.

You realize protein is insulinogenic just like carbs right? It also triggers a release of insulin?? And carbs only convert to fat if there is an excess of them and no fat to store.

Converting carbs to fat is a metabolic pathway called de novo lipogenesis and it is a non-preferred pathway. It only occurs when there is an excess of energy(calorie surplus), an excess of carbs and all available dietary fat has been stored.

Also, excess protein can also be converted to fat by first being converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis and then to fat through de novo lipogenesis. These are not preferred metabolic pathways but it is possible.

The bottom line is your explanation of how the Dukan diet works is just not accurate. It works same as any diet. It creates and energy (calorie) deficit and the body then uses stored fat for it's fuel requirement. The initial weight loss on Dukan is mostly water weight.

paperpudding · May 2020

lilianbates3578 wrote: »

I’ve just started phase 2!! Lost almost 3kg in the first week!! I love this diet. The reason the calorie restriction is unlimited is because if you only eat protein (which is basically phase 1 and 2) then your insulin level never spikes so you’re not converting any carbs to energy/fat stores. All your energy comes from fat stores in your body being converted to energy. Honestly, a lot of the weight you lose at the start is water weight because you’re not eating carbs so they’re not absorbing as much liquid, but it’s still an incredible way to lose weight if nothing else has worked for you.

Why are insulin spikes bad??

That's how the process works - you eat something, your body releases insulin in order to convert energy from your blood into your cells ( simplified explanation. )

If you don't get insulin spikes you get high blood sugar readings - simplified version of what diabetes is.

And anyway many people initially have big losses in the first week of a new diet. I remember losing 1 kg in the first week too - which was a lot, considering I only had 10kg to lose.
Took another 10 months to lose the rest.

But if you don't deliberately or incidentally have restricted calories, you won't keep losing weight. Whatever diet you are following won't change that.

NorthCascades · May 2020

There are exceptions, but in general stay away from named diets.

mmapags · May 2020

paperpudding wrote: »

lilianbates3578 wrote: »

I’ve just started phase 2!! Lost almost 3kg in the first week!! I love this diet. The reason the calorie restriction is unlimited is because if you only eat protein (which is basically phase 1 and 2) then your insulin level never spikes so you’re not converting any carbs to energy/fat stores. All your energy comes from fat stores in your body being converted to energy. Honestly, a lot of the weight you lose at the start is water weight because you’re not eating carbs so they’re not absorbing as much liquid, but it’s still an incredible way to lose weight if nothing else has worked for you.

Why are insulin spikes bad??

That's how the process works - you eat something, your body releases insulin in order to convert energy from your blood into your cells ( simplified explanation. )

If you don't get insulin spikes you get high blood sugar readings - simplified version of what diabetes is.

And anyway many people initially have big losses in the first week of a new diet. I remember losing 1 kg in the first week too - which was a lot, considering I only had 10kg to lose.
Took another 10 months to lose the rest.

But if you don't deliberately or incidentally have restricted calories, you won't keep losing weight. Whatever diet you are following won't change that.

As you know, they aren't bad. It's just the junk science that snake oil salesmen like Berg, Taubes and Fung try to pass off as fact. I posted a thread with an update from James Krieger on his article "Insulin: An undeserved bad reputation" he wrote 10 years ago. He is an actual nutrition researcher as opposed to being a discredited chiropractor, a journalist or a nephrologist.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10797597/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation-james-krieger

VeryKatie · May 2020

Sounds dangerously hard on the kidneys. Too much protein can really harm them.

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