Post Mono Life - tips and tricks

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moonangel12
moonangel12 Posts: 971 Member
edited July 2020 in Health and Weight Loss
A branch off discussion from the Coronavirus Prep thread. For those that have long term, life changing side effects from a past viral attack. What have you experienced and how are you coping? What do you different to help yourself function better from day to day?

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  • moonangel12
    moonangel12 Posts: 971 Member
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    A C&P of my post from the other thread, a brief synopsis of what happened to me in 1997.

    I essentially got sick in 8th grade and never got better. What started out as possibly mono (although I tested positive for it the next year) turned into weeks out of school, specialist after specialist, neuro and immune problems I still battle 20+ years later (between the ages of 14 and 17 I was diagnosed with chronic fatigue, fibro, auto immune thyroid issues, ADHD, asthma, IBS, and others... things I did not have issues with at all prior to whatever virus attacked my body and my brain.)

    I was strong and healthy, until I wasn’t. I went from easy A’s to struggling to make C’s. I couldn’t sleep at night, at all, for nearly 6 months, but couldn’t stay awake during the day. My near photographic memory was gone, replaced with fog and blur. It was awful. I have misty gotten used to it, but I still remember what life was like before hand and long to be “normal” but know it likely will never happen.
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
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    I do remember the days of pre-mono. They were really, really good. I didn't have any of these frickity, frick, frick issues with food or weight stability.

    Everything changed. I had painful joints for 5 solid years. I threw everything UP against the wall in the beginning including vitamins, herbs and Chinese medicine along with my regular medical professionals. Chronic Fatigue was considered blowing more smoke and just buffalo'ing yourself. No one took it seriously so eventually you just quit talking about it and sux everything up on your own.

    It wasn't until the last couple of days that I've even allowed myself to think about, @moonangel12.



    Diabetes Risk Increases with Exposure to Epstein-Barr Virus
    Researchers uncover genetic link involving b cells that suggest an increased risk of developing at least seven identified autoimmune disorders, including diabetes, following a person's infection with the Epstein-Barr virus.
    Written by Lynne K Schneider PhD

    It won't let me post the link.

    My siblings managed to avoid it. I was in quarantine back then, too. Sigh. They don't have any of the issues I've had with blood glucose and all of the rest of it.



  • moonangel12
    moonangel12 Posts: 971 Member
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    Diatonic12 wrote: »
    I do remember the days of pre-mono. They were really, really good. I didn't have any of these frickity, frick, frick issues with food or weight stability.

    Everything changed. I had painful joints for 5 solid years. I threw everything UP against the wall in the beginning including vitamins, herbs and Chinese medicine along with my regular medical professionals. Chronic Fatigue was considered blowing more smoke and just buffalo'ing yourself. No one took it seriously so eventually you just quit talking about it and sux everything up on your own.

    It wasn't until the last couple of days that I've even allowed myself to think about, @moonangel12.



    Diabetes Risk Increases with Exposure to Epstein-Barr Virus
    Researchers uncover genetic link involving b cells that suggest an increased risk of developing at least seven identified autoimmune disorders, including diabetes, following a person's infection with the Epstein-Barr virus.
    Written by Lynne K Schneider PhD

    It won't let me post the link.

    My siblings managed to avoid it. I was in quarantine back then, too. Sigh. They don't have any of the issues I've had with blood glucose and all of the rest of it.



    I didn’t realize blood glucose issues could go hand in hand! Add hypoglycemia to the long list of diagnosis I can never remember - mine spiked and tanked so bad during my glucose test during that time frame (2000ish) that they actually stopped it short, they wouldn’t let it continue.

    Maybe a coping technique? I don’t talk about it much, and for years ignored it ever happened, likely because it truly is an “invisible illness” and the vast majority of the population just don’t get it. There are days I have to remind myself I am not “lazy” when I flat out feel like crap and just can’t function.

    Anything you have found that helps or blatantly hinders you? I did Whole30 and felt ah-mazing, but it’s just not sustainable for me. I started having MS symptoms, only to find I have Gluten Ataxia and have been gluten free for 9 years which has helped tremendously. I have also found dairy and sugar are major inflammation triggers, but also so hard for me to stay away from...
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
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    https://uhs.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/Mononucleosis.pdf

    https://medlineplus.gov/infectiousmononucleosis.html

    Do you have any idea why we don't hear much about it anymore?

    I've found that sitting on the couch at the speed of zero makes a mess out of everything. I keep moving and rolling. I try to hike every single day during these warmer summer months. During the winter, I shovel a lorra lorra snow, snowshoe, swim as much as I can, run UP and down the stairs almost every single day. I just keep moving with housework , irrigation and chores for the critters in the evenings, too. Binge watching TV this winter didn't help me out one iota.

    There are nights that I can't sleep because my joints start to ache but inactivity makes it worse. I try not to rely on Aleve gels but there are days that I have to. Pain is the precursor to change. I had to get that weight off to preserve my joints. It helped my blood glucose levels, too.

    It's a total cluster. You know. You know.
  • Hanibanani2020
    Hanibanani2020 Posts: 523 Member
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    17 years on and I still suffer severe bloating especially in my stomach and joints when I’m stressed mentally or physically, I’m easily fatigued if I don’t workout regularly and decide do a hard workout, and if I’m stressed or under the weather, or weak for whatever reason I’ll suffer extensive body pain that can be excruciating. Also I don’t cope well with lack of sleep and that can trigger symptoms. It can be handled quite well with diet and graded exercise and proper rest as well as CBT to handle my mental stress/anxieties and analgesia when needed.

    Post viral life sucks but isn’t a death sentence for health and vitality.
  • moonangel12
    moonangel12 Posts: 971 Member
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    17 years on and I still suffer severe bloating especially in my stomach and joints when I’m stressed mentally or physically, I’m easily fatigued if I don’t workout regularly and decide do a hard workout, and if I’m stressed or under the weather, or weak for whatever reason I’ll suffer extensive body pain that can be excruciating. Also I don’t cope well with lack of sleep and that can trigger symptoms. It can be handled quite well with diet and graded exercise and proper rest as well as CBT to handle my mental stress/anxieties and analgesia when needed.

    Post viral life sucks but isn’t a death sentence for health and vitality.
    I lost many years to depression and fatigue (I had 4 children 5.5 years apart... hindsight, it was a dark period in my life. Post ortum depression, hormonal changes, physical issues... it was just not good), weight gain making it harder. I will never forget a comment my husband made a year or two ago (I think after I had started running in general, maybe after weight loss started). We’ve been together over 20 years, I met him a year or two after getting sick. He said “I feel like I have my wife back. I didn’t know if it would ever happen.” He meant it to be encouraging, but it broke my heart to think how many years were wasted as I spiraled. It’s good to be back!

    I have to walk a fine line with exercise. Too much in too extreme of weather conditions and it knocks my out for a couple weeks. Classical Stretch with Miranda Edmonds-White is very beneficial for me, one of the few things that helps rather than hinders no matter where I am at.
  • moonangel12
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    Yesterday was day one of cutting out sugar, cravings weren’t too bad. I have been so stiff, sore, and achy lately I figured it couldn’t hurt (I have justified way too much candy “because it fit the calorie budget” knowing good and well I shouldn’t because of how it makes me feel).
  • baconslave
    baconslave Posts: 6,954 Member
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    Something very helpful is the Spoon Theory.
    https://butyoudontlooksick.com/articles/written-by-christine/the-spoon-theory/

    I had posted that my life can be separated into "Before Mono" and "After Mono."
    I got Mono in college and was sick for over 6 weeks. I was never skinny, but after mono I was exhausted all the time and gained 100lb within a year. I kept that 100lb through 4 very tiring pregnancies, the last of which got me gestational diabetes that I managed to control with a low-carb diet and a pill, which didn't leave for 6 months after the birth and only left after going keto. My A1c finally went down. After my doc told me that I was cured of the diabetes, I went back to eating the old way (wayyyyyy too much) and regained the 40lb I'd lost. Years later after a diabetes scare where my mom almost died from complications, I went keto again, lost the weight, and I've kept it off since 2015.

    But within 20lb of goal weight, I got my second life-bomb, Sjogren's. Life has gotten even more complicated, which is easier to navigate since I got the weight off, but intermittent fatigue is still there, joined by intermittent joint pain, fibro, and all the super fun Sjogren's symptoms of dry mouth and apocalyptic dry-eye hell. :unamused: So now I also have "Before Sjogren's" and "After Sjogren's, too." Figuring out that mess was a long drawn out ordeal. In the end, I don't have enough abnormalness in my blood to get a formal diagnosis. The rheumatologist talks about my Sjogren's but Sicca Syndrome is in the chart. Which matters not one bit with Sjogren's since they don't have anything for it anyway other than to try a lot of meds that may or may not work after trialing them for about 6 months. None of them are cheap. I did try hydroxychloroquine a couple years ago. It just gave me liver spots and weird migraines that radiated down my spine and into my joints causing more joint pain and fibro symptoms. Completely the opposite goal here! So I'm on no prescrips now, just a lot of chewing gum, much eyedrops and eye ointments, and naproxen when my joints get stupid. I sleep poorly and never feel rested after I do sleep. At 2 in the afternoon, I can tell you what time it is. I get so fatigued it's like I'm trying to swim through molasses. The only solution to that seems to be to start my workout before then so the crash is put off until later. When I usually get slammed with fatigue again and then end up with Raynaud's symptoms.

    I too have thrown everything up against the wall: vitamins, a million herbs, despair. None of it was useful in any way, unless the goal was to waste money or get really depressed. :smirk: I've just learned to embrace the normal things I do have, create normalness that I don't already have, and do the best I can with the rest.

  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
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    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
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    I do everything on my own terms. I give myself permission to do my own thinking. I'm a product of my raising and deeply imprinted by my family and elders. I've stopped editing myself trying to make others happy. I'm through with all of that unhappy horsesheet.

    They caught all of the wild children
    And put them in the zoo
    They made them do sums
    And wear sensible shoes
    They put them to bed
    At the wrong time of day
    And made them sit still
    When they wanted to play
    They scrubbed them with soap
    And made them eat peas
    They made them behave
    Say Pardon and Please
    The took all their wisdom
    And wildness away

    That's why there are none
    In the forests today

    Jeanne Willis
    Wild Child


    All of you are wise beyond your years. Thanks for allowing me to even think about any of this.

  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
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    All of this time, I was told there's no such thing and these symptoms don't compute or gel with any kind of a diagnosis. It's going to take me awhile to process through it and validate what I have been through, too.
  • baconslave
    baconslave Posts: 6,954 Member
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    I haven't thought about this in awhile either, y'know. At some point you have to figure out how to keep living, b/c that's all there is to be done. I started frequenting a Sjogren's forum in the beginning, but I stopped b/c my life isn't Sjogren's. I have to live with it, sure, but I was getting so depressed b/c really there is no hope but what you carve for yourself, so I decided to figure out how to live IN SPITE OF IT.

    Ugh. It's the witching hour, after 2pm and here I am messing around instead of doing my workout...feeling so much yuck. But I'm going to get off this silly computer, have a snack, and then get the workout done as best I can.
  • Diatonic12
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    Yes, we must press on.

    Diabetes Risk Increases with Exposure to Epstein-Barr Virus
    Researchers uncover genetic link involving b cells that suggest an increased risk of developing at least seven identified autoimmune disorders, including diabetes, following a person's infection with the Epstein-Barr virus.
    Written by Lynne K Schneider PhD

    And this:

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200710212247.htm

    Study links abnormally high blood sugar with higher risk of death in COVID-19 patients not previously diagnosed with diabetes
    Date:
    July 10, 2020

    https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/26227/20200626/high-blood-sugar-levels-detected-coronavirus-patients-suggesting-covid-19.htm
    High Blood Sugar Levels Detected in Coronavirus Patients, Suggesting COVID-19 Triggers Diabetes

    T2. Caused by a virus or any number of them that are out there lurking. What do you think.

    Infection with a common virus may increase the risk of Type 2 diabetes in older adults, a new study from the Netherlands suggests. In the study, adults ages 85 and over who were infected with cytomegalovirus were about twice as likely to have Type 2 diabetes compared with those not infected.

    While the why, why, whys are nice to know it's the dealing with all of it that's a real sonuvagun.
  • squidgybunny_276
    squidgybunny_276 Posts: 25 Member
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    Interesting to see this posted here, i started thinking about this after reading the following article. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200622-the-long-term-effects-of-covid-19-infection.

    At the age of 19 I got sick for around 3 months. I was too tired to eat, sweating through the night. The weight fell off my 5"7 frame until I weighed under 100lbs. Then one day the coughing and the sweating went and all i could feel was hungry and tired. I ate ravenously, everything. And slept. I remember falling asleep in lectures, napping in the afternoon, my hair falling out. By the summer I had gained over 30lbs, so i pushed myself, cut down my food... bring on years of eating disorders. At some point over a yer later they did a viral check and found out I'd had Epstein Barr (which now makes total sense).

    10 years later as I suffer severely with IBS, the discomfort is so bad sometimes I want to cry. I had years of issues maintaining my blood sugar, waking up panicky and starving in the night. I get tired easily, need 9 hours of sleep, have brain fog and have to factor in "rest time" into my day. My hormonal cycle never recovered. I have suffered from depression and binge eating. Socialising is tiring, I have lost friends. Sometimes I ache all over, often I feel cold to the core. Yet apart from Epstein Barr over 10 years ago they can find nothing. I'd give anything to feel "normal" again. Its the "Before" and "After" nobody wants.

    The advice that has helped the most has been. "You have to accept that you are limited. Accept that you cannot do things the same as others. You must be kind to yourself, help yourself". I spent years fighting, now I try and work with my body, within my capability to do the things I want.
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
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    I didn't have any blood glucose problems until after mono. I haven't allowed myself to think about the connection until now. I've spent the last decade fighting against it for all I'm worth. It's taken me 6 years to return to a normal weight that my joints can stand. The first 2-3 years suxed. There were months and months of endless plateaus where absolutely nothing moved. I tracked my data points. I hiked. I swam. I lifted heavy things along with all of the other chores I have to do.

    The half has not been told. I've tried everything to get back to where I used to be. All of this gives me a really big pinch. When I think about it I could sit on a dime and still have enough room left over to swing my feet...so I will keep fighting. Eat my dust, I will not be deterred.

    Magnus said 'A fat one becomes a sugar one' and a fat burner becomes a sugar burner when everything goes crazypants. I get it, I got it and I won't be able to go back to those old eating habits that got me nowhere good.

    The long term side effects of CO-19.

    You'd better get the jump on it now. Don't wait until T2 shows up on your doorstep. Take the bull by the horns. Turn this ship around. Don't let your body go from a fat burner to a sugar burner. That will only dig you into a much deeper hole with food and your overall health and well being.

    My folkaronies ask me why I like this site so much. I tell them that they're my peeps and they understand what others don't and aren't interested in. This is serious business and I don't take any of this lightly.