Good books about Microdiome?

ReenieHJ
ReenieHJ Posts: 9,724 Member
edited December 2024 in Health and Weight Loss
Any recommendations?

Please and thank you.

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  • MaltedTea
    MaltedTea Posts: 6,286 Member
    *microbiome

    What is it that you want to know? Or the results you're hoping for?

    I ask because some of these conversations may already be in some existing threads.
  • ReenieHJ
    ReenieHJ Posts: 9,724 Member
    I'm actually asking for my 28 yo dd. I'd like to find a good book about how our diet can affect mental health and physical health. She deals with a lot of issues and is on meds. but so far has found very little that helps her noticeably. :( One of her main problems seems to be anxiety, almost to the point of becoming housebound. :( Just wishing I could help in some way, ya know?
  • MaltedTea
    MaltedTea Posts: 6,286 Member
    Depending on her diagnosis, you may want to take a look at published medical research from reputable journals.

    Based on what you mentioned here, may I suggest...

    The Mind-Gut Connection: How the Hidden Conversation Within Our Bodies Impacts Our Mood, Our Choices, and Our Overall Health

    https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=9FNpBgAAQBAJ

    There's an audiobook version as well, if that helps.
  • ReenieHJ
    ReenieHJ Posts: 9,724 Member
    Geez, didn't even spell it right :/
    Thanks MT, I've got that book saved on Amazon, think I'll order it for her. Drs. are so quick to give out drugs and sometimes they do help; I admit I've taken them for years but they work for me. So far, her drs just seem to be hit or miss and nothing has been a hit yet. :(
  • Onc3aRunner
    Onc3aRunner Posts: 1 Member
    David Perlmutter's books, basically all of them address how our microbiome affects everything else! I think they're extremely readable, practical, and current on information.
  • ReenieHJ
    ReenieHJ Posts: 9,724 Member
    @Onc3aRunner Thanks! I'll look into his books as well. :)
  • MikePfirrman
    MikePfirrman Posts: 3,307 Member
    edited September 2020
    One or two bacteria (or the lack of) are strongly associated with anxiety. There are like six or seven startups working on finding out how to grow those bacteria. They are also associated with depression.

    The way to increase the helpful bacteria is by increasing your levels of GABA. GABA is a neurotransmitter that doctors have known (or thought) was very important for depression and anxiety. Now they know why. The more GABA your body produces, the more of two specific bacteria that you have that reduce depression and anxiety.

    Mutaflor (the brand name for E Coli Nissle 1917) is one way to increase GABA. But it's illegal in the US. You can only get it in Canada. Some would say it's the drug companies that are making billions off of antidepressants actively keeping Mutaflor out of the US. Others argue that it can be an invasive species for some with compromised microbiomes (think of it like a garden that needs to be in balance).

    Edit -- as of December 2019, Mutaflor is now available in the US by mail. The FDA finally changed their stance on it late last year. I wasn't aware of that change. It's not cheap (around $100 for two month, I believe).

    Look up on Selfhacked how to increase GABA naturally. You can't eat GABA. It doesn't work that way.

    https://www.thehealthjournals.com/can-gut-bacteria-cure-depression/
  • ReenieHJ
    ReenieHJ Posts: 9,724 Member
    @MikePfirrman Thank you for that! I sent the link to my dd. I cannot help but think there's got to be a better way to treat her levels of anxiety and depression than merely masking them with drugs because so far, 1) they haven't worked all that well and 2) they've all produced side affects, some of them very unwelcome. :(
    Thanks again!!
  • 4Phoenix
    4Phoenix Posts: 236 Member
    @MaltedTea The link you provided suggests a low-fat diet and fermented foods....yes!
  • rfuchs
    rfuchs Posts: 55 Member
    Has she tried a therapist? I am not saying her diet can't be improved but it sounds like there is a lot more going on that a professional might be able to help her sort through.
  • ReenieHJ
    ReenieHJ Posts: 9,724 Member
    rfuchs wrote: »
    Has she tried a therapist? I am not saying her diet can't be improved but it sounds like there is a lot more going on that a professional might be able to help her sort through.

    She started therapy when she was in college in Boston and is still seeing therapists/counselors in Seattle. So it's been several years with several different ones. :(

    I need to talk with her more about talking with her Primary Care and maybe get a full blood work up along with another complete physical. I have no idea when her last one was. I think she's becoming disheartened with the medical professionals she's been to so many.
  • rfuchs
    rfuchs Posts: 55 Member
    I hope she can find an answer(s) to help bring her peace soon. Struggling with mental health issues can be so difficult and watching your kid (I imagine an adult one is the same) struggle is heartbreaking.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    ReenieHJ wrote: »
    @MikePfirrman Thank you for that! I sent the link to my dd. I cannot help but think there's got to be a better way to treat her levels of anxiety and depression than merely masking them with drugs because so far, 1) they haven't worked all that well and 2) they've all produced side affects, some of them very unwelcome. :(
    Thanks again!!

    Normally, I find regular cardio very effective for normal depression and anxiety, and increased activity during times of increased stress.

    Thanks to covid, I had to make some additional changes:

    1. Decrease news consumption
    2. Decrease caffeine
    3. Increase yoga
    4. Start therapy.

    I started CBT in April with an intern, which wasn't particularly effective. Fortunately, her program ended. I asked for someone who was not an intern, and she is working out much better. This was supposed to be CBT as well, but quickly changed to regular talk therapy. Maybe we will work on root issues for a while and get back to CBT, or maybe that will not be necessary.

    (I do also take the AD Wellbutrin regularly (normally I stop in the spring and resume when my SAD kicks in in the fall, but this year just kept going), and have Xanax on hand. But this knocks me out too much for daytime use, so I only use it for middle of the night anxiety attacks, which don't happen very often, thank goodness.)
  • MikePfirrman
    MikePfirrman Posts: 3,307 Member
    edited September 2020
    What I think you'll find is tremendous resistance (not on MFP, but from the Mental Health community) when it comes to microbiome solutions. It's a topic, along with the microbiome, that greatly interest me. I was a Psych Major for one of my degrees.

    There have been at least a couple of studies recently tying antidepressants to Alzheimer's and Dementia later in life. I'm very much for a more natural approach.

    Sciencedirect has great articles. There's a Microbiome group on Facebook. The Human Microbiome Project are all good starting points. By the time you read a book, it will likely be outdated. Neuroscience News has been putting out a lot of information as well.
  • ReenieHJ
    ReenieHJ Posts: 9,724 Member
    Thanks Mike!! Good and interesting information. The 2 hours it took me to fall asleep last night were partially spent thinking about this very topic. It only makes sense that foods would play such an important part in our mental health as well as our physical. Everything we take into our bodies affects us in some way.

    As for Alzheimers/Dementia, I believe only some of what studies find. :( I've known people(more and more it seems :() who do all the right things but still succumb to that horrible disease.

    I'll pass on your last paragraph of info to my dd and see if she'd like to search further and/or ask her dr.
    Thanks again!
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