Calories and Maintenance

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Hello group , I have read somewhere that if you don't lose weight among other things a cause can be the fact that you're eating way less than you're supposed to.

So my question is: how many calories should I eat to be in a deficit ?

I am 26 yrs old , 176cm , 76kg and I workout (at home) 5 days out of 7 doing Upper,Lower,Rest, Push,Pull,Legs,Rest. A workout session is around 1h at 110bpm and also do 10000 steps daily , other than that there is not much happening as I do not have a job atm so the rest of the day is only house chores or just walking the dog for some extra steps.

I consume atm 1900 calories which worked fine but for a month now there is not much progress , in the mirror or scales.

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  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    That can be true if you are stressing your body so bad you are gaining water weight at the same time as still losing fat.

    Eating too little doesn't stop fat loss, but the stress water weight gain can hide it on the scale.

    But you would still be losing inches somewhere in that case.

    If no inches lost - then likely not stress water weight gain.

    In which case your estimated burn may not be as high as you think, and your eating level may be higher than you think.
    In essence wiping out your on-paper deficit.

    How much weight do you have to lose to be at healthy weight?
    That will decide what is a reasonable deficit from what you burn in total.
  • stefan121ionita
    stefan121ionita Posts: 21 Member
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    Thank you for replying I will attach some photos so that you can see .. I want to get to 72 so that I can lose sole stubborn areas then start bulking and then shredding.

    I am measuring and weighing everything I eat so I can't be over the intake and I am also putting quite some effort into the workout.
  • stefan121ionita
    stefan121ionita Posts: 21 Member
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    Is still feels like I'm skinny fat I can see progress but something still doesn't feel right.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    4 kg to go should be minimum deficit - 250 cal would be reasonable.

    If it had been bigger deficit and rate of loss had been more - body likely stressed out, workouts not as good as you think.
    While body is in a stressed state, workouts will indeed feel hard, indeed may be giving it all you can.
    But that "all you can" is at a reduced rate compared to what it could be.

    Measuring normally means by volume, which in metric isn't that bad for some items - but calories is per gram weight, not volume mL.

    So perhaps review the types of items you eat that are done by volume if that's what you meant. If high calorie or fat, errors there can add up.

    You mentioned HR while lifting, if that means you have a calorie burn for that which is based on HR calculations - it's inflated.
    Are these body weight resistance routines, or with weights and sets & reps and rests?

    Do you indeed measure several spots already, to see if inches have been lost.

    Betting anything you attempt less deficit, you'll see workouts improve, and progress.

    10K steps is well beyond sedentary if that is mainly outside of exercise.
  • stefan121ionita
    stefan121ionita Posts: 21 Member
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    The routine are mostly resistance bands, bed sheet over the door to simulate pull workouts (using a backpack for extra weight) so it's mostly calisthenics but with added weight.

    I do mostly 4 sets with 15 reps or as many until I can't do any more and rest 1-2 minutes between.

    You mean that my body could be stressed out because of eating to little which affects my performance ? If so , how many calories roughly you suggest? I have tried using calorie calculator and all but I do not know what to believe therefore I thought I ask people for help :)
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    When the body is asked to loose too fast a rate for the amount of fat left - it will get stressed.

    Shoot, make it bad enough and even the fact of doing resistance training and eating enough protein doesn't mean you won't lose muscle mass.
    The aggravation of natural body builders for show prep, trying to cut fat.

    But that type of stress increases cortisol - increased water weight.
    Inches will still be lost - but it's a terrible state for the body to be in, while trying to lose weight. Shoot, in general for the workouts too.

    By that point the body as already adapted other things to lower it's calorie burn, if that didn't help enough, worse things happen.
    None of those things stop fat loss - you can always eat less and stress water weight will top out, muscle mass along with fat can be lost - yes, you can get the number of the scale moving again.

    And frankly people that do that are in an extreme diet, and they are the ones repeating the routine again next year because they failed to reach goal weight or maintain it, and discover it's much harder and they don't know why the next time.

    Down at the final pounds and desiring to have good body composition too - many ways to get the last few off.

    Studies have shown a week on/week off diet are great for allowing hormones to get back to where they need.
    That routine may actually allow being slightly unreasonable on deficit, but because it's just a week and you go back to maintenance - not near the stress. Plus only a couple of tough workouts on diet week.

    Studies have shown the 5:2 diet, with 5 days at maintenance, and 2 days at 25% of maintenance, allow the same thing for the body to recover. I could never fit it in well with resistance training and evening workouts - body wanted the food for repair in next 24 hrs - during the time I would be eating barely anything - made the next workout pretty bad with recovery not done.

    Then just taking that 250 cal deficit, after perhaps a couple weeks of eating at maintenance.


    Since you mentioned steps - what are you using providing that?

    Think about which method might work for best for your mentality and workout and schedule.
    And would you prefer to eat the same amount daily no matter what (except on the 5:2 method) - TDEE deficit style, or varying amount daily depending on what you've done - MFP style?
  • stefan121ionita
    stefan121ionita Posts: 21 Member
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    Thabk you very much for your comment it was like a book of knowledge.

    I will try the 2 weeks on diet and 1 week on maintenance just to give my body a reset and try to adjust the deficit to a better for my body number.

    And in regards with your last question; I don't mind eating the same amount daily whilst having a break staying in maintenence, I mean the deficit that I am now , I don't feel hungry or tired but every so often maintenance might just be good for my body.

    The problem that I had was that I didn't know the exact amount of calorie intake I should have to be in a deficit based on the informations provided in my original post.

    Thank you again
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    Since you don't mind eating the same daily no matter the activity level, you might do well enough with the TDEE deficit method (which includes exercise). Instead of MFP's NEAT method (where you add exercise when actually done).
    Because if you aren't accounting for exercise - you are making the deficit bigger and worse.

    TDEE method - Weekly activity level averaged out to a daily level - eat the same daily.

    Maintenance or deficit, doesn't matter.

    Use this:
    Just TDEE Please spreadsheet - better than rough 5 level TDEE charts from 1919 study.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G7FgNzPq3v5WMjDtH0n93LXSMRY_hjmzNTMJb3aZSxM/edit?usp=sharing

    10K steps is a lot of steps, no where near sedentary.
    So if you have no estimate of time walking to get those steps (you didn't mention what is giving you a step count - this may be a whole lot easier depending on what that is), then activity level is almost the highest where I put it.
    I will say when I did that, the sheet didn't update the figures in my view for some reason, using Chrome, so not sure what's stuck.
    It initially went lower when I deleted prior "x", but it didn't go back up, so I know the formulas are working.
    Perhaps it's just my add-ons or such blocking updates on Chrome.
  • stefan121ionita
    stefan121ionita Posts: 21 Member
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    Sorry , I forgot to tell you about the steps . I use a Watch Active to counted them . :)
  • stefan121ionita
    stefan121ionita Posts: 21 Member
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    Thank you very much indeed !

    You're a star !