Other pages like Lyle Mcdonald's?

happimess01
happimess01 Posts: 9,074 Member
in Health and Weight Loss
I have literally spent hours reading articles by Lyle Mcdonald on his site but now I am in need of new material to get my geek on. Any sites you visit to stay current? I am mostly interested in nutrition, muscle gain, fat loss etc. Thank you :)

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  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,242 Member
    edited May 2021
    Generally you would have seen some footnoted references on Lyle's musings. And references to people he agrees or disagrees with... Lyle is definitely in the category of credible and mostly evidenced based sources so not so sure about what much more you would want? Next step would be to hit WHO resources? Primary sources and research papers following up on sources you see mentioned?
  • happimess01
    happimess01 Posts: 9,074 Member
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    Generally you would have seen some footnoted references on Lyle's musings. And references to people he agrees or disagrees with... Lyle is definitely in the category of credible and mostly evidenced based sources so not so sure about what much more you would want? Next step would be to hit WHO resources? Primary sources and research papers following up on sources you see mentioned?

    Thanks for your input. You have a point. Was hoping there would be more people like him but he definitely is one of a kind, in a good way. Research papers are not my cup of tea sadly.
  • jfan180
    jfan180 Posts: 2 Member
    LM just might come unglued if he heard his name mentioned alonside Lane Norton's. There's some serious hate between the two.
  • psychod787
    psychod787 Posts: 4,099 Member
    Alan Aragon, James Krieger, Old Lyle has gone a bit crazier than normal lately....
  • jak1958
    jak1958 Posts: 82 Member
    Hard to believe you guys are still pushing Lyle.. but maybe I've been around too long lol..to each his own.
  • cupcakesandproteinshakes
    cupcakesandproteinshakes Posts: 1,133 Member
    psychod787 wrote: »
    Alan Aragon, James Krieger, Old Lyle has gone a bit crazier than normal lately....

    He has bi polar disorder though.
  • sarah7591
    sarah7591 Posts: 415 Member
    I must be living under a rock because I don't know who you speak of. Can you post a link to these pages? Thanks!
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,242 Member
    https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Lyle+McDonald
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,242 Member
    edited May 2021
    "psychod787 wrote: »
    1Just because someone is bi-polar, doesn't give them the right to be an a-hole l, when someone has better evidence that goes against your stance.

    Were it not for egos and vested interests the world...
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Jeff Nippard - condensing info from the others sometimes for videos, for lifting workouts making a practical application.

    Brad Schoenfeld - running and comparing studies on lifting mainly.

  • happimess01
    happimess01 Posts: 9,074 Member
    heybales wrote: »
    Jeff Nippard - condensing info from the others sometimes for videos, for lifting workouts making a practical application.

    Brad Schoenfeld - running and comparing studies on lifting mainly.

    Just subscribed to Jeff. Loving him already. Thank you!
  • happimess01
    happimess01 Posts: 9,074 Member
    sarah7591 wrote: »
    I must be living under a rock because I don't know who you speak of. Can you post a link to these pages? Thanks!

    Sure - https://bodyrecomposition.com/
  • happimess01
    happimess01 Posts: 9,074 Member
    sijomial wrote: »
    Layne Norton or Eric Helms might interest you.

    Have heard their names so many times in the forums. Thank you, will check them out.
  • cupcakesandproteinshakes
    cupcakesandproteinshakes Posts: 1,133 Member
    Barbell medicine are a good lot too. A bit too detailed for me personally but quality info.
  • psychod787
    psychod787 Posts: 4,099 Member
    edited May 2021
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    "psychod787 wrote: »
    Just because someone is bi-polar, doesn't give them the right to be an a-hole l, when someone has better evidence that goes against your stance.

    Were it not for egos and vested interests the world...

    True, but what he did was inexcusable. He claimed that Krieger and Schoenfeld made up there data. That's scientific hersey to do that. He had no evidence of it and still made the accusations. That's equivalent to the person at your work saying you stole your project, just because it was better than theirs.
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,242 Member
    Was not aware! 😱🥺😔
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Ya, it was beyond a normal analysis of study setup and finding legit problems with perhaps sample size or study participants or methodology.

    If I'm thinking of the right study - those comments could have been made and an argument about study usefulness thrown out there - but that wasn't the tact taken.
  • tuckerrj
    tuckerrj Posts: 1,453 Member
    jak1958 wrote: »
    Hard to believe you guys are still pushing Lyle.. but maybe I've been around too long lol..to each his own.

    EXACTLY! Lyle McDonald is one of the most irritating (so called) training experts on the web. Nippard, Schoenfeld or Isratel are VASTLY more credible than that wack-a-doodle.
  • NovusDies
    NovusDies Posts: 8,940 Member
    edited May 2021
    psychod787 wrote: »

    True, but what he did was inexcusable. He claimed that Krieger and Schoenfeld made up there data. That's scientific hersey to do that. He had no evidence of it and still made the accusations. That's equivalent to the person at your work saying you stole your project, just because it was better than theirs.

    A act of "heresy" does not invalidate all of his work. Also, if he has not realized his mistake, I hope that one day he does and people are not still throwing around the term "inexcusable".
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,427 MFP Moderator
    Outside of what others said, Bret Contreras has great information even though he is focused on glutes.
  • Theoldguy1
    Theoldguy1 Posts: 2,496 Member
    psuLemon wrote: »
    Outside of what others said, Bret Contreras has great information even though he is focused on glutes.

    For sure. Some more I like:

    Dan John
    Mike Robertson
    Eric Cressey
    Jim Smith
    Joe DeFranco
    Dean Somerset
  • Speakeasy76
    Speakeasy76 Posts: 961 Member
    psuLemon wrote: »
    Outside of what others said, Bret Contreras has great information even though he is focused on glutes.

    Yes, he does. I know some people think he's a jerk (and it seems that's ok kind of a theme with these bigger-name fitness guys), but it's clear he's always striving to further his knowledge and use EBP as much as possible...or a least it seems that way.
  • viajera99
    viajera99 Posts: 252 Member
    psychod787 wrote: »
    True, but what he did was inexcusable. He claimed that Krieger and Schoenfeld made up there data.
    Not to get too far into the weeds here, but Lyle's point was that Brad Schoenfeld, the primary investigator, was also the person who did the ultrasound measurements --in a completely unblinded fashion, knowing exactly which intervention group each subject was in -- that "proved" his own thesis.

    This is a totally legitimate criticism. Double-, or at least single-blinding is a cornerstone of scientific investigation.

  • happimess01
    happimess01 Posts: 9,074 Member
    psuLemon wrote: »
    Outside of what others said, Bret Contreras has great information even though he is focused on glutes.

    Oh yea, I have read his stuff. Next time someone asks me how I am dropping the kilos, I am gonna quote him: “Um, I’m eating less overall calories and staying hungry more often.”

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