935 calories??

Hi,
I am new to all of this and need help to work out how many calories I should be eating and what my macros should be? It's all a little confusing to me.

My stats are as follows:
Age - 57
Gender - female
Height - 155cm
Weight - 52 kg
Body fat - 33%
Water - 49%
TEDEE - between 1528 - 1740
BMR - 1166
My exercise calories are on average - between 300 - 400 calories per day
My daily step count - 10,000 - 12,000

I am wanting to lose weight. My ideal weight would be between 48 - 49kg.

I'm confused about what my macro % should be, and should I be eating my exercise calories or not? That doesn't make sense to me if I want to lose weight.

And....how much calorie deficit should I have in order to lose weight?

Someone suggested a calorie calculator. I inputted all my data and this is what it came out with (see attached).

Thanks so much friends, for helping out this newbie girl!

Ange

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  • callsitlikeiseeit
    callsitlikeiseeit Posts: 8,626 Member
    edited August 2021

    i just converted your stats - you are 114 pounds at 5' tall. you do not have much to lose. put in a half a pound loss (the slowest rate of loss). when you do not have much to lose, it takes longer and your food logging accuracy is much more important. focus on that.



    Yes, you should eat back your exercise calories. This is how MFP is designed. If you do not, you will be under-eating and putting yourself at risk for any number of health issues. Because for the average person, MFP over estimates calorie burns, most people start by eating back half of their exercise calories and adjusting as needed. If you are losing faster than expected, eat back slightly more, if slower than expected, eat back slightly less. This too, is assuming your food logging is as accurate as possible, so make sure you get help with that if needed, as it can be a bit tricky at first (get a food scale, learn how to use it properly, and learn how to find accurate database entries. scanning a food does not automatically mean the right entry is coming up)

    At this point in the game, worrying about the other macros (unless you are diabetic) is not necessary.
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,809 Member
    I'm confused about what my macro % should be, and should I be eating my exercise calories or not? That doesn't make sense to me if I want to lose weight.

    Of course it makes sense to take a significant calorie expenditure into account when you are counting calories.
    On the food side that would be like deciding not to log your breakfast - ruins the numbers doesn't it?

    MyFitnessPal is trying to get the message across that exercise isn't for weight loss for a short period - it's for health, fitness (and even enjoyment!) for life. The other part of the message is just like your car, the more you drive the more fuel you need to put in, the less you drive the less fuel you put in the tank.

    Bear in mind that the average TDEE calculator you used gives you a number that includes an estimated average of your exercise.
    Or if you decide to use an all day wearable tracker that will take your exercise into account.
    MyFitnessPal just presents the same numbers in a different way but over time ends up very similar.

    Just decide if you want a same every day eating goal then use the TDEE number minus a small deficit (you don't have much to lose, you are small, you are very active and exercising on top of that)
    Or if you prefer a daily goal that varies in line with your exercise then complete the MFP goal set up and pick a slow rate of loss.

    Unless you have some particular needs or preferences then the macro split on here is fine as a starting point. You can tweak it later if you like.

    BTW Ange, your attachment didn't appear.
  • angelathailand
    angelathailand Posts: 10 Member
    Thank you so much. I truly appreciate your help...both of you ❤ ♥ 💛 Yes, LOL, I couldn't figure out how to attach the photo. Nevermind :)
  • angelathailand
    angelathailand Posts: 10 Member
    So...for the sake of clarity, supposing:

    1200 cals per day is my goal (I will be adjusting this to 1095 [BMR 1166 + an average of 429 calories used in exercise per day, not including my steps = 1595 calories - 500 calorie deficit = 1095 calorie goal per day])

    1314 is food in
    177 cals is exercise out
    =63 calories remaining at the end of the day

    I should then eat back an extra 177 calories??

  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,809 Member
    So...for the sake of clarity, supposing:

    1200 cals per day is my goal (I will be adjusting this to 1095 [BMR 1166 + an average of 429 calories used in exercise per day, not including my steps = 1595 calories - 500 calorie deficit = 1095 calorie goal per day])

    1314 is food in
    177 cals is exercise out
    =63 calories remaining at the end of the day

    I should then eat back an extra 177 calories??

    You work downwards from your TDEE not upwards from your BMR.
    BMR is what you would burn totally inactive and in a fasted state, by itself it's a pretty useless number unless you are hospitalised.

    TDEE calculators adds everything together to work out your average maintenance calories including exercise.
    MyFitnessPal adds everything together to work out your maintenance calorie for a day with no exercise, those calories are estimated/added only after you actually do that exercise. Over a week the numbers should be close.

    Taking 500 cals away (for a 1lb a week projected loss) is a big chunk off a not very big calorie allowance, in your position I'd be tempted to try for 250cals instead. Dieting doesn't have to mean suffering! :smiley:

  • angelathailand
    angelathailand Posts: 10 Member
    Ok. Thanks so much. I will follow your wise advice. So, (sorry about this) 1595 (TEDEE) - 250 calorie deficit = 1345 calories per day as my goal.

    Then what do I do with the 177 calories (exercise out showing on MFP diary) and/or (in the example above) the remaining 63 calories at the end of the day?

  • angelathailand
    angelathailand Posts: 10 Member
    I can't seem to upload a photo, but I wanted to explain better what I mean above...

    On the MFP Dairy page at the end of the day, today showing.....

    Calories Remaining

    1345 - 1060 + 165 = 450
    Goal food exercise remaining


    Do I eat the 165 calories or the 450 remaining calories, or do I just ignore those?

    Note: I've under eaten today as you can see, so I might have an apple or some almonds later to make up the difference and bring me up to 1345 calories. Correct?
  • callsitlikeiseeit
    callsitlikeiseeit Posts: 8,626 Member
    1385 - 1060 (what you have eaten)= 285 (you have to eat this)

    165 (work out calories earned) - what type of exercise and how long did you do it?
    We might be able to get an idea of how correct that number might be. for most people half is usually correct but that can vary depending on the person and exercise).
  • angelathailand
    angelathailand Posts: 10 Member
    Thanks for your help :) I'll sit on this tonight and start afresh tomorrow using the correct calorie allowance you've given me of 1345. Then, if I may, I'd like to post here again with tomorrow's worked out calories earned so that can hopefully you can then advise me further.

    Thanks so much for your patience! You've been great and I really appreciate your wisdom ❤
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,260 Member
    edited August 2021
    Take into account that your weight, especially as a woman, varies over the month and is highly influenced by water retention. Especially with only a very small amount of weight to lose and given a correspondingly small deficit (because you only have a small amount to lose and because you're a small person who CLAIMS they are not very active)... weight fluctuations will be more frequent and larger than your underlying fat level change.

    To measure your underlying fat level you may want to start using a weight tracking app or web site that takes into consideration multiple weight ins and your general trend and de-emphasises shorter term weight fluctuations.

    only because these were the first ones that sort of worked when I tried them out, I would suggest libra for android, happy scale for iOS, trendweight.com (you would need a freely available without a device fitbit.com account), or weightgrapher.com. Weighgrapher has some ability to visually show you your graph a monthly cycle ago, which people may find of use to them if they have substantial monthly hormonal fluctuations. I use trendweight personally.
  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 10,093 Member
    Ok. Thanks so much. I will follow your wise advice. So, (sorry about this) 1595 (TEDEE) - 250 calorie deficit = 1345 calories per day as my goal.

    Then what do I do with the 177 calories (exercise out showing on MFP diary) and/or (in the example above) the remaining 63 calories at the end of the day?

    Your TDEE is not your BMR + exercise calories -- you're leaving out all of your NEAT (non-exercise activity thermogenesis) (plus the small number of calories by which your RMR exceeds your BMR).
    So...for the sake of clarity, supposing:

    1200 cals per day is my goal (I will be adjusting this to 1095 [BMR 1166 + an average of 429 calories used in exercise per day, not including my steps = 1595 calories - 500 calorie deficit = 1095 calorie goal per day])

    1314 is food in
    177 cals is exercise out
    =63 calories remaining at the end of the day

    I should then eat back an extra 177 calories??

    Why are you not including your steps? You're supposed to include your steps, either as part of your daily activity level (which you're leaving out entirely by only including BMR and exercise calories that aren't steps).

    It would be much easier for you to either use the guided set-up in MFP as intended, or go to a real TDEE calculator that will take into account both your NEAT calories and your exercise calories if you answer the questions as they're intended to be answered.
  • angelathailand
    angelathailand Posts: 10 Member
    Thanks for the extra responses. I'll have to try to get my head around all of that tomorrow :)

    For now, I'd like to share what I've done today and see if I'm at least somewhat on the right track?

    My calorie intake goal: 1345
    Actual food calorie intake: 1335

    Exercise calories: 612
    Made up as follows:
    Dancing, 30 minutes: 107 cals
    Strength training (dumbbells),
    32 minutes: 113 cals
    Dancing again before bed,
    28 minutes: 100 cals

    I have a Samsung Active 2 watch to track everything, and Samsung has made a calorie adjustment as a part of my exercise calories (based on my measured activity): 292

    On top of this I have walked a total of 15,086 steps today. I don't know if MFP has already accounted somehow for these steps or not. That's not clear to me.

    In my Samsung app, there are 2 separate entries showing in the log of my exercise today that are noted as walking. The allowance given is 107kcal and 76kcal. I believe these entries to be the 2 occasions I deliberately went for a brisk walk today.

    Samsung shows my active time today as: 184/90 minutes and activity calories 635/500kcal.

    It also shows distance while active as 5.94 km, and total burnt calories as 1700kcals.

    That's all pretty confusing to me. Upshot being...am I doing everything right to lose the approx 4 kgs I want to lose? And my body fat is 33%, so I'd definitely like to get that down to a healthy/attractive level.

    If you've got this far and read all this...THANK YOU! I clearly need help deciphering this strange new world of fitness 😆
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,809 Member
    You need to clarify which of the three methods mentioned you are actually intending to use - at the moment you seem to be blending them and that could be where the confusion comes in.

    TDEE average method - you estimate everything up front and eat to a same every day calorie goal and that goal doesn't change when you do more or less activity and/or exercise. Your average needs to cater for your easy weeks and your busy weeks which means you must pick the right category that covers both your exercise and your non-exercise activity.

    MFP method - you get an estimate that includes an average of your daily activity and excludes exercise until you actually do it. You get a daily goal that varies in line with your exercise when you log it.

    Fitness Tracker - you allow the tracker to modify your daily calorie goal for both activity and exercise. Beware the adjustment you see logged isn't just exercise, it's both exercise and daily activity. It adjusts based on what it thinks your day looks like rather than what you have told MFP you think it is. Again it's a variable daily amount.
    Some people don't sync their trackers and just manually input the exercise the device estimates.


    PS - your exercise estimates don't seem unreasonable for an hour and a half total time.
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,260 Member
    edited August 2021
    to modify your long term weight trajectory you only need to worry about 3 numbers when you get down to it.

    Your TOTAL CALORIES expended from ALL sources including from being alive. You can pre-estimate that based on your crystal ball and internet research, estimate by adding up incremental variable exercise to a base amount that expects an estimate of your based activity level to be included (MFP method), or off-load the estimating to a watch or other device (my personal method which is, in reality, just a more granular version of the MFP method as the watch increments from a base estimate based on the activity it detects).

    You may have to dig into your watch a little bit because from your narrative, it is unclear to me whether your 1700 Calories expended as per your watch is referring to total calories for the day--including those burned by being alive--, or whether it is talking about a total of active/exercise calories that were burned in addition to the ones you burn by being alive.

    It seems to me that the SECOND number in the display, the one that comes after the slash is the number we would want to consider as your total calories burned from all sources: https://www.samsung.com/us/support/troubleshooting/TSG01003163/#view-the-burn-calorie-logs-on-your-samsung-smart-watch

    You need to know your total calories in -- which you estimate by logging your intake from all sources.

    You need to know how your weight behaves OVER TIME. Usually a meaningful time horizon exceeds 4 weeks and is why I suggested a weight trend app further up thread.

    This allows you to correct between your expectations based on population averages and your own individual reality.

    You only have a small amount of weight to lose.

    You seem to think that you have accurate information about your fat percentage. This may not be as true as you think. Hint: even a dexa scan or a dunk test have considerable margins of error. Single point (for example feet only) bioimpedance is ridiculously unreliable. If you want to manipulate your stats, drink a couple of glasses of water and repeat your measurement with your bioimpedance device. While you're at it, work up a bit of sweat or have a shower between measurements.

    400-500 Cal is a LARGE deficit to be aiming for given your current BMI and amount of weight to lose. You seem to think that losing weight doesn't have potential side effects. I seem to think that just as with a pill that your doctor prescribes the benefits have to outweigh the side effects before you embark in a course of action.

    Personally I believe that you will end up with better results in a few years if you were to embark on a structured exercise program while eating at maintenance as opposed to a deficit.

    It is just an opinion, of course, and reflected in my own biases that it is sometimes not desirable for people to risk inducing hormonal changes by a weight intervention where one is not necessary for health.