Looking to share knowledge

Hello Everybody,

I'm Jonathan, happy to help anyone with sports and general nutrition questions. I received my Certified Sports Nutrition Counselor through the National Academy of Sport Science. I'm also a Certified Dietary Manager and a Certified Executive Chef. I'm looking to start helping athletes and people with nutrition needs. I have been cooking for 14 years in restaurants, and I've done everything from fine dining to sushi. I work at the University of Minnesota-Duluth, and I'm working with student-athletes on their nutritional needs during training and off-seasons. If you have any questions, please reach out. Thanks and happy eating!!

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  • ReenieHJ
    ReenieHJ Posts: 9,724 Member
    @SuzySunshine99 I have found that to be true due to people's reactions before. But always wondered why it is that way? I mean, here is a person offering advice and knowledge, don't some of us need all the help and thoughts we can get? To me, it'd be easier and quicker to find a post such as this in which to ask all varieties of topics rather than hunt down others that may/may not have any relevance.
    I never understood that. That's all. :) 'Tis just my thoughts. :)
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,458 Member
    Jonathan, why would I rather eat Moon Pies than broccoli? What is the biological reason behind that?
  • SuzySunshine99
    SuzySunshine99 Posts: 2,989 Member
    edited February 2022
    ReenieHJ wrote: »
    @SuzySunshine99 I have found that to be true due to people's reactions before. But always wondered why it is that way? I mean, here is a person offering advice and knowledge, don't some of us need all the help and thoughts we can get? To me, it'd be easier and quicker to find a post such as this in which to ask all varieties of topics rather than hunt down others that may/may not have any relevance.
    I never understood that. That's all. :) 'Tis just my thoughts. :)

    I think the disadvantage in a thread such as this is that you are only going to get one point of view. You ask a question, and a single person will answer. If you are looking for advice and start your own thread to ask your questions, you are more likely to get a wider range of thoughts and opinions.

    While I'm sure that Jonathan, as well as others who start threads like this, are sincere, we have no way of vetting their credentials. It's typically a "first post", by someone who is not familiar to the community, and hasn't already contributed.

    I think it also just rubs people the wrong way...especially as a first post. Kind of assuming we are all uneducated about health and fitness topics and here's our savior. "Ask me anything, for I am all-knowing." Again, not saying that's the case or intention with this particular poster, just that this is how it's sometimes perceived.

    That's why I recommended for Jonathan to jump into some threads where people are asking for help, and respond to the questions that are already out there.
  • glassyo
    glassyo Posts: 7,760 Member
    I think it also just rubs people the wrong way...especially as a first post. Kind of assuming we are all uneducated about health and fitness topics and here's our savior. "Ask me anything, for I am all-knowing." Again, not saying that's the case or intention with this particular poster, just that this is how it's sometimes perceived.

    It totally rubs me the wrong way for just that reason. It just comes across so arrogant whether intentioned or not.
  • PKM0515
    PKM0515 Posts: 3,089 Member
    Hi and welcome, Jonathan!

    I really appreciate your offer to help, and I'm sure others will too. I really hope you don't get discouraged by negative/unwelcoming posts. I see NO arrogance in your post, and I do believe you're sincere in wanting to help.

    Hugs...
  • MelanieCN77
    MelanieCN77 Posts: 4,047 Member
    edited February 2022
    Jonathan, why would I rather eat Moon Pies than broccoli? What is the biological reason behind that?

    Not Jonathan, but salt/sugar/fat in your moon pie trigger a dopamine reaction that broccoli does not.
  • glassyo
    glassyo Posts: 7,760 Member
    I finally had my first moon pie and...3 servings? I think not! 😀

    And if Chef Jonathan wants to come cook for me, all will be forgiven.
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,458 Member
    Jonathan, why would I rather eat Moon Pies than broccoli? What is the biological reason behind that?

    Not Jonathan, but salt/sugar/fat in your moon pie trigger a dopamine reaction that broccoli does not.

    Of course I know that already. I wanted to see if he did. :wink:
    glassyo wrote: »
    I finally had my first moon pie and...3 servings? I think not! 😀

    And if Chef Jonathan wants to come cook for me, all will be forgiven.

    I buy those boxes of mini Moon Pies from the Dollar store (Rant alert, everything is now $1.25 at the Dollar store. grr.) and I eat the whole box of six in one day.

    To be fair, I could eat a whole pot of TGI Fridays' broccoli cheese soup, too.




  • ReenieHJ
    ReenieHJ Posts: 9,724 Member
    Frankly, of all the junk food I've always eaten, Moon Pies were disgusting to me. :)

    I truly appreciate when a person volunteers to give advice and suggestions due to their knowledge and training. ATM, I feel I know how to do this the right way for me. Sticking with it is another whole story. :( That's where my weakness lies.

    I hope the OP didn't get discouraged and run. :/
  • glassyo
    glassyo Posts: 7,760 Member
    Jonathan, why would I rather eat Moon Pies than broccoli? What is the biological reason behind that?

    Not Jonathan, but salt/sugar/fat in your moon pie trigger a dopamine reaction that broccoli does not.

    Of course I know that already. I wanted to see if he did. :wink:
    glassyo wrote: »
    I finally had my first moon pie and...3 servings? I think not! 😀

    And if Chef Jonathan wants to come cook for me, all will be forgiven.

    I buy those boxes of mini Moon Pies from the Dollar store (Rant alert, everything is now $1.25 at the Dollar store. grr.) and I eat the whole box of six in one day.

    To be fair, I could eat a whole pot of TGI Fridays' broccoli cheese soup, too.




    Again. I'm sorry! It's my fault it went up to $1.25!

    😀


    That soup sounds so good. Good way to get veggies in.
  • ReenieHJ
    ReenieHJ Posts: 9,724 Member
    glassyo wrote: »
    Jonathan, why would I rather eat Moon Pies than broccoli? What is the biological reason behind that?

    Not Jonathan, but salt/sugar/fat in your moon pie trigger a dopamine reaction that broccoli does not.

    Of course I know that already. I wanted to see if he did. :wink:
    glassyo wrote: »
    I finally had my first moon pie and...3 servings? I think not! 😀

    And if Chef Jonathan wants to come cook for me, all will be forgiven.

    I buy those boxes of mini Moon Pies from the Dollar store (Rant alert, everything is now $1.25 at the Dollar store. grr.) and I eat the whole box of six in one day.

    To be fair, I could eat a whole pot of TGI Fridays' broccoli cheese soup, too.




    Again. I'm sorry! It's my fault it went up to $1.25!

    😀


    That soup sounds so good. Good way to get veggies in.

    And cheese!! Don't forget the cheese! :)
  • glassyo
    glassyo Posts: 7,760 Member
    ReenieHJ wrote: »
    glassyo wrote: »
    Jonathan, why would I rather eat Moon Pies than broccoli? What is the biological reason behind that?

    Not Jonathan, but salt/sugar/fat in your moon pie trigger a dopamine reaction that broccoli does not.

    Of course I know that already. I wanted to see if he did. :wink:
    glassyo wrote: »
    I finally had my first moon pie and...3 servings? I think not! 😀

    And if Chef Jonathan wants to come cook for me, all will be forgiven.

    I buy those boxes of mini Moon Pies from the Dollar store (Rant alert, everything is now $1.25 at the Dollar store. grr.) and I eat the whole box of six in one day.

    To be fair, I could eat a whole pot of TGI Fridays' broccoli cheese soup, too.




    Again. I'm sorry! It's my fault it went up to $1.25!

    😀


    That soup sounds so good. Good way to get veggies in.

    And cheese!! Don't forget the cheese! :)

    And cal....um...and whatever else is in it!
  • ReenieHJ
    ReenieHJ Posts: 9,724 Member
    glassyo wrote: »
    ReenieHJ wrote: »
    glassyo wrote: »
    Jonathan, why would I rather eat Moon Pies than broccoli? What is the biological reason behind that?

    Not Jonathan, but salt/sugar/fat in your moon pie trigger a dopamine reaction that broccoli does not.

    Of course I know that already. I wanted to see if he did. :wink:
    glassyo wrote: »
    I finally had my first moon pie and...3 servings? I think not! 😀

    And if Chef Jonathan wants to come cook for me, all will be forgiven.

    I buy those boxes of mini Moon Pies from the Dollar store (Rant alert, everything is now $1.25 at the Dollar store. grr.) and I eat the whole box of six in one day.

    To be fair, I could eat a whole pot of TGI Fridays' broccoli cheese soup, too.




    Again. I'm sorry! It's my fault it went up to $1.25!

    😀


    That soup sounds so good. Good way to get veggies in.

    And cheese!! Don't forget the cheese! :)

    And cal....um...and whatever else is in it!

    You meant calcium, right? :)
  • claireychn074
    claireychn074 Posts: 1,656 Member
    Jonathan, why would I rather eat Moon Pies than broccoli? What is the biological reason behind that?

    Not Jonathan, but salt/sugar/fat in your moon pie trigger a dopamine reaction that broccoli does not.
    Brit here - what’s a moon pie?!
  • SuzySunshine99
    SuzySunshine99 Posts: 2,989 Member
    edited February 2022
    Jonathan, why would I rather eat Moon Pies than broccoli? What is the biological reason behind that?

    Not Jonathan, but salt/sugar/fat in your moon pie trigger a dopamine reaction that broccoli does not.
    Brit here - what’s a moon pie?!

    Soft cookies sandwiched with marshmallow and coated in chocolate.
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  • MaggieGirl135
    MaggieGirl135 Posts: 1,033 Member
    Moon pies…in theory, good. In actuality, a whole bunch of artificial flavor. I’m sure they’re wonderful if homemade.
  • glassyo
    glassyo Posts: 7,760 Member
    Moon pies…in theory, good. In actuality, a whole bunch of artificial flavor. I’m sure they’re wonderful if homemade.

    Nope.Pretty darned good all artificial flavored up, too. 😀

    @ReenieHJ Yes! Sure! We'll go with that. 😀
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,622 Member
    Jonathan, why would I rather eat Moon Pies than broccoli? What is the biological reason behind that?

    Not Jonathan, but salt/sugar/fat in your moon pie trigger a dopamine reaction that broccoli does not.

    False in my world.

    Personally, I like broccoli. Kind of a lot.

    I don't like Moon Pies, not even a little bit.

    Salt/sugar/fat notwithstanding, the pleasure of some nice broccoli triggers a dopamine reaction for me that a Moon Pie - the standard commercial one, at least - does not. I live in the North. Moon Pies, for me, at this time of year, might serve as an impromptu puck for broom hockey, but other than that there is no pleasure in them. Bleaah.
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,458 Member
    edited February 2022
    Staahp bashing my Moon Pies.

    I had some the day before this thread but I don't think I'd ever had them before and I was curious. I have to say I did enjoy them all you Moon Pie dislikers. The cookie part is like a soft graham cracker so they remind me of those things you make camping . . . S'Mores! But then I'm definitely one for whom sugary and or fatty stuff causes an over-reaction and I'll eat the whole pack of any treat-like food. Last night I ate an entire sleeve of saltines and PB.

    Jonathan, please come back and help me out!
  • SuzySunshine99
    SuzySunshine99 Posts: 2,989 Member
    When I was 8 years old, we went on vacation to this little resort in northern Michigan.
    They had a game room and put out FREE moon pies there.
    My cousin and I ate soooo many moon pies, we got sick.
    Because of that, they still turn my stomach a little when I look at them...over 35 years later.
    Childhood trauma courtesy of moon pies.
  • ReenieHJ
    ReenieHJ Posts: 9,724 Member
    Ok @cmriverside :) If it's a life or death choice between broccoli and moon pies I'd have to break down and eat a moon pie. I've been known to eat junk food that I don't like, over healthy stuff I should be eating. Strange but true. :/
  • ciaoder
    ciaoder Posts: 119 Member
    Moon Pies don’t taste right if you don’t have the RC Cola with it. The OP being a chef I’m sure he’d agree.
  • claireychn074
    claireychn074 Posts: 1,656 Member
    Hmm 🤔 I’m wondering if they are similar to the Wagon Wheels we get in the UK. They’re single layer but I think have weird marshmallow stuff in them too, with strange imitation chocolate.
  • ehju0901
    ehju0901 Posts: 394 Member
    Welcome!
  • SuzySunshine99
    SuzySunshine99 Posts: 2,989 Member
    Hmm 🤔 I’m wondering if they are similar to the Wagon Wheels we get in the UK. They’re single layer but I think have weird marshmallow stuff in them too, with strange imitation chocolate.

    Very similar...I think wagon wheels have jam? No jam in a Moon Pie, but pretty much the same concept otherwise.
  • glassyo
    glassyo Posts: 7,760 Member
    Yup, quick Google search shows jam.

    Can we talk twiglets now cuz... British Whose Line Is It Anyway? 😀
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,622 Member
    Honestly, I was reacting less to the Moon Pies (which it's true I don't enjoy), than (over-)reacting to yet again seeing that kind of overstatement about dopamine and sugar/fat/salt.

    Can those things cause a dopamine release? Sure, like any other pleasurable thing. Is it common for people to find sugar/fat/salt-containing foods pleasurable for reasons physiological, cultural, social, and personal, a potentially pretty potent combination when they align? Sure. Does the dopamine system have some role in sustaining habits - even really bad, destructive habits? Yes. Do a few things truly hijack and pervert physiological reward systems (such as, say, heroin)? Yup.

    If someone isn't eating sugar by spoonfuls out of the sugar bowl, drinking olive oil from the bottle, eating salt direct from the shaker, then personally I think there's more to it than "OMG sugar/fat/salt dopamine!!!".

    Picking a random example from an academic neuroscientist:
    Pleasure itself – that good feeling you get in response to food, sex and drugs – is driven by the release of a range of neurotransmitters (chemical messengers) in many parts of the brain. But dopamine release in the brain’s reward system is particularly important. Dopamine release tells the brain when to expect something rewarding, modulates how rewarding it will be and drives us to seek rewarding things.
    . . .
    We all experience pleasure differently as a result of individual differences in biology or neurochemistry, but also as a result of past experiences (no longer liking a food that previously made you sick), and differing social and cultural factors.

    For example, musical preferences seem to be shaped more by upbringing than by biological factors. So while some may get a greater hit of dopamine from buying a new handbag, others may get it from placing a bet on a sports match.

    https://medicine.uq.edu.au/article/2018/04/how-pleasure-affects-our-brain

    Among other things, dopamine release related to certain things is to some extent a conditionable response. We're trainable, IOW.

    Maybe PP was joking around, with that dopamine remark. I hope so. But I fear not.