What's The Need For Veggies and Fruit Anymore?
EDesq
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I'm sitting here and just wondering, "Why do we need veggies and fruit in tour diet, today's world?"
* We can get sufficient (more than sufficient) vitamins and minerals from Supplements;
* We now have access to water, where normally a third of our intake would come from veggies and fruit;
* We used to need the "bulk" that they provided to help us have bowel movements, now we have Grains and Supplements... ;
* And we know that a "normal" diet can not supply all the nutrients needed, so why not take Supplements.
SO, other than the fact that their production has become another marketing "PLOY," I LIKE Them and they add a "filler" in a lower calorie eating plan...BUT there is actually NO NEED for them.
What's your Opinion?
* We can get sufficient (more than sufficient) vitamins and minerals from Supplements;
* We now have access to water, where normally a third of our intake would come from veggies and fruit;
* We used to need the "bulk" that they provided to help us have bowel movements, now we have Grains and Supplements... ;
* And we know that a "normal" diet can not supply all the nutrients needed, so why not take Supplements.
SO, other than the fact that their production has become another marketing "PLOY," I LIKE Them and they add a "filler" in a lower calorie eating plan...BUT there is actually NO NEED for them.
What's your Opinion?
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I don't think you can get the same nutrition from supplements as you get from the real thing. That is just my opinion.:happy:0
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Yeah I have to agree, I mostly use them as a filler though.I don't think you can get the same nutrition from supplements as you get from the real thing. That is just my opinion.:happy:0 -
Totally agree, we are by no means healthier than we used to be, humans are diseased and why do you think that is?? Um the food.I don't think you can get the same nutrition from supplements as you get from the real thing. That is just my opinion.:happy:0 -
The veggies help trim your waist line better...or so I've heard0
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Why race in circles and $$$ trying to mimic the good food nutrition nature can provide you?0
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I don't think you can get the same nutrition from supplements as you get from the real thing. That is just my opinion.:happy:
This.
Fruits and veggies have nutrients that interact with each other in special ways that pure supplements can't. The scientists don't have all the answers.
Just this week they found that white-fleshed fruits decrease your stroke risk. Why? No idea.0 -
I wonder the same thing sometimes. I mean, I use my Amazing Grass supplement and it says to have much of all of what I need in a daily diet, and to be quite honest it saves me from washing dirt off of my vegetables and running to eat them before they spoil.
Go easy on me; single mom, full-time therapist, busy schedule - I'm all about freshness and the like but if I can get it all in a supplement, I'm for it.
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Science cannot reproduce what nature does best.
It probably (wait, I'm going to go with definitely) makes your body work harder to chew, swallow and digest an orange than it does swallowing a pill with some water - so in the long run it'd be better for your body to keep working by eating the real deal.
Yeah?0 -
....'cause fruits and veggies taste good, occur in nature, and you need calories to live anyway?0
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Back in the day when people ate fruits, veggies less processed food were not OBESE!!!0
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Because fruit and veggies taste delicious and supplements taste like ****! This is one reason.0
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YES!!!!Back in the day when people ate fruits, veggies less processed food were not OBESE!!!0 -
Well, I guess people could just take a bunch of pills or supplements, but what's the fun in that? Apples, strawberries, grapes and bananas are among my favorites & are tasty & nutritious. And I've come to appreciate the crunch of a nice tossed salad. Can't put that in a bottle.0
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I take it you are joking??
If not, then you are the manufacturing industry's dream consumer..... may I interest you in a bridge I have for sale???0 -
Are you saying that science knows 100% what is in each and every vegetable and fruit, and can replicate this into an easily-digestible pill that suits every person on earth?
...Why make supplements when you can just eat food?0 -
I don't think you can get the same nutrition from supplements as you get from the real thing. That is just my opinion.:happy:
This ^^^ also...At least in my case I'll say I'm not a person that normally monitors sodium in my diet because I'm healthy but during my first pregnancy I ended up having a c-section 'cause of high blood preassure. Veggies and fruit are very low in sodium. I'm stuggling to stay under the 2,500 sodium a day, the only way I can do it is with veggies and fruit. Proccessed foods have way too much. I might end up changing my whole way of eating after pregnancy for good anyway to keep healthy.0 -
Science cannot reproduce what nature does best.
It probably (wait, I'm going to go with definitely) makes your body work harder to chew, swallow and digest an orange than it does swallowing a pill with some water - so in the long run it'd be better for your body to keep working by eating the real deal.
Yeah?
YEAH. I kinda can't believe anyone is asking this. This reminds me of mid-(20th)century sci-fi modernism - like it's some kind of futuristic dream to get our nutrients from pills and gels, like the astronauts!! Oh, and a steak!!
There's actually scientific understanding about this, and you might look some of that up (on real sites like WebMD or National Institutes of Health, not just Google...). For one thing, and in brief, the beneficial phytochemicals, vitamins and minerals in produce often occur in complementary combinations and yes, they are actually better absorbed as whole foods.0 -
I take it you are joking??
If not, then you are the manufacturing industry's dream consumer..... may I interest you in a bridge I have for sale???
HAHA - what she said!0 -
Supplements/vitamins tend to upset my stomach. Maybe I haven't tried the right ones, but I think I'd rather stick with food.0
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Personally I prefer to get my antioxidants etc fresh, which is why i grow my own fruit and veg as much as possible. I'd much rather go cut a fresh lettuce and some tomatoes and pick some cherries or strawberries in my own back yard than go down to the supermarket or healthstore and buy 3 day old produce or a bottle of synthesized nutrients - where's the enjoyment in that?
My insides prefer natural foods to processed ones, they are so much easier to digest. Half the reason I"m the size I am is because of my former addiction to processed carbs and salt, so by eating as close to natural as I can works for me. Give me a baked sweet potato and a couple of slices of wholemeal bread - I'll choose the sweet potato every time.
Also, supplements are freakin' expensive! For the cost of a bottle of mutivitamins I can grow a whole garden bed full of fresh produce, and get a lot more enjoyment out of it. Did our ancestors have access to bottles of supplements? No. They had to live on roots, leaves, grains and berries and whatever meat they could catch. They were stronger than we are today and more active, and diabetes, hypertension, allergies etc all didn't exist.
Sorry about the lengthy diatribe, but this is a touchy subject for me
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Ok, rant over xx0 -
It is proven it is better to get the nutrients from the actual project and not supplements!! Eat fruits and veggies!0
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Wow, people are really up in arms about this aren't they? lol
I guess in my opinion they are of course a good filler and if you don't eat some vegetable fiber well.......you would have to add it anyway with another supplement or things just wouldn't work right so to speak.
People are really defensive about their veggies huh?0 -
Because fruit and veggies have all sorts of phytonutrients and antioxidants which have beneficial effects for the body that haven't even been studied yet.
Because it is unwise to assume that the employees in a complementary healthcare company who formulate these vitamin and mineral products are experts in human nutrition who do nothing else in their jobs but keep up with the nutritional literature. I doubt very much this is the case for many products. And vitamin and mineral supplements are not evaluated for efficacy - in the US, the FDA does not evaluate them at all for safety, efficacy, anything.
Because even when experts formulate total parenteral nutrition products for registration with the FDA/MHRA/TGA/MEDSAFE/whatever which must be evaluated for safety and efficacy before use (unlike the supplements you take at home), they make mistakes which cause micronutrient deficiencies or overdoses, and the nutritional status of people using these products needs to be monitored to prevent this.
Because fruit and vegetables are very filling foods for very little calories, and managing satiety is one of the keys to managing weight.
Because fruit and vegetables taste yummy.
Need any other reasons?
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One could say that about all food including meat I suppose. Why not just take some protein tablets instead of chewing on a steak or a chicken?
1) I think vegetables and fruits taste good. So I'd say that's probably the number one reason to keep eating them. Food is tasty. I don't want to live on tablets and shakes.
2) What if we haven't identified all the nutritional benefits of any given food? Sure, we know we all need Vitamin C, but until recently no one talked about needing omega 3s or antioxidants, so there were no supplements for them. However, if you were eating naturally, you probably consumed a good amount by eating fish, nuts, and fresh veggies/fruits.
So I'd keep eating natural foods as much as possible, in case there's stuff in there that science doesn't know about yet and hasn't reproduced.
And also, see point 1, they taste good
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I think we (humans) only know about 1/10th of 1% of what we THINK we know.
Not very long ago, we "knew" the Humors of the body caused illness...Black Bile, Yellow Bile, Blood, and Phlegm. Physicians were taught that "bloodletting" would relieve the excess and cure the patient. We believed that night air caused mortal illness, as did bathing in wintertime. We had no knowledge of germs or viruses, or the means for dealing with them. Infection meant amputation or death. Period.
There could be literally millions of micro- vitamins and minerals and nutrients that we don't know about or understand. We identified some nutrients that we believe will keep us healthy. Does that mean we identified them all? How do we "know"?
It's nice to feel that we can use supplements to ensure at least an adequate intake of (what we believe to be) the most important nutrients. But I wouldn't stake my health on supplements alone.0 -
Totally agree, we are by no means healthier than we used to be, humans are diseased and why do you think that is?? Um the food.I don't think you can get the same nutrition from supplements as you get from the real thing. That is just my opinion.:happy:
Is that "Myth" or "Truth?" Less than a hundred years ago the life expectancy was about 45 YEARS! We NOW have MORE ACCESS to FRESH Vegetable, Fruits and Fresh Meats than EVER BEFORE, in HISTORY! We have NEVER before in History been EXPOSED to the STUFF we are NOW Exposed to: Preservatives, Air Pollution, Water Pollutants, Carcinogens, in Everything from Plastics to Woods we place on our floors and toys...), FAST FOOD "JOINTS," Lack of needed activity because we live in a Technology and Service driven World/Country...
So, we ARE Healthier and Live Longer than in the past, AND that's the POINT of Eating and Living Healthy...QUANTITY and QUALITY Of LIFE! I know perfectly healthy people who eat veggies and/or fruit maybe twice a week. In fact the healthiest people/that have lived longest and had good quality to their lives/Health-wise, eat very LIMITED Veggies and Fruit. They eat/ate veggies/fruit IN SEASON, ate/eat grains and fresh meats.OH, and they eat 1 or 2 meals a day MAX, total (1500-1800 Cals per day.)0 -
Science cannot reproduce what nature does best.
It probably (wait, I'm going to go with definitely) makes your body work harder to chew, swallow and digest an orange than it does swallowing a pill with some water - so in the long run it'd be better for your body to keep working by eating the real deal.
Yeah?
YEAH. I kinda can't believe anyone is asking this. This reminds me of mid-(20th)century sci-fi modernism - like it's some kind of futuristic dream to get our nutrients from pills and gels, like the astronauts!! Oh, and a steak!!
There's actually scientific understanding about this, and you might look some of that up (on real sites like WebMD or National Institutes of Health, not just Google...). For one thing, and in brief, the beneficial phytochemicals, vitamins and minerals in produce often occur in complementary combinations and yes, they are actually better absorbed as whole foods.
THIS!!!0 -
Back in the day when people ate fruits, veggies less processed food were not OBESE!!!
EXACTLY!!!
I wish so much that I had listened to my Mom who wanted me to eat healthy, instead of my Dad you wanted to give me a Snickers!!!0 -
Wow, people are really up in arms about this aren't they? lol
I guess in my opinion they are of course a good filler and if you don't eat some vegetable fiber well.......you would have to add it anyway with another supplement or things just wouldn't work right so to speak.
People are really defensive about their veggies huh?
Not so much defensive... as incredulous!0 -
Personally I prefer to get my antioxidants etc fresh, which is why i grow my own fruit and veg as much as possible. I'd much rather go cut a fresh lettuce and some tomatoes and pick some cherries or strawberries in my own back yard than go down to the supermarket or healthstore and buy 3 day old produce or a bottle of synthesized nutrients - where's the enjoyment in that?
My insides prefer natural foods to processed ones, they are so much easier to digest. Half the reason I"m the size I am is because of my former addiction to processed carbs and salt, so by eating as close to natural as I can works for me. Give me a baked sweet potato and a couple of slices of wholemeal bread - I'll choose the sweet potato every time.
Also, supplements are freakin' expensive! For the cost of a bottle of mutivitamins I can grow a whole garden bed full of fresh produce, and get a lot more enjoyment out of it. Did our ancestors have access to bottles of supplements? No. They had to live on roots, leaves, grains and berries and whatever meat they could catch. They were stronger than we are today and more active, and diabetes, hypertension, allergies etc all didn't exist.
Sorry about the lengthy diatribe, but this is a touchy subject for me)
Ok, rant over xx
Oh, my! You said it perfectly! Thank you!0
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