A Perspective - It's Not About the Calories
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I am posting this article for people to read and discuss in an adult and civilized manner. If you are coming in to start a dispute or make disparaging comments, please post elsewhere.
There are many of us on this website that feel that the QUALITY of the calories and foods we consume is much more important than the QUANTITY.
Great Health and Weight Loss is NOT as simple as Calories In / Calories Out as everyone tries to say it is. If that were the case, everyone would lose weight effortlessly when they embark on a Weightloss journey.
This article is a different perspective on this topic.
http://hive.slate.com/hive/time-to-trim/article/its-not-about-the-calories
There are many of us on this website that feel that the QUALITY of the calories and foods we consume is much more important than the QUANTITY.
Great Health and Weight Loss is NOT as simple as Calories In / Calories Out as everyone tries to say it is. If that were the case, everyone would lose weight effortlessly when they embark on a Weightloss journey.
This article is a different perspective on this topic.
http://hive.slate.com/hive/time-to-trim/article/its-not-about-the-calories
The past few years have seen the launch of many admirable initiatives to solve the problem of childhood obesity in America, but I'd like to respectfully suggest that these programs are, quite simply, doomed to failure. This is not because the food industry will subvert their efforts. It's not because the children and parents in this country lack the willpower to tackle this problem and certainly not because they lack the motivation. It's because the advice these anti-obesity initiatives give isn't going to help, and the science they're based on is misguided.
Take Michelle Obama's Let's Move! campaign, one of the most high-profile examples of this mistaken approach to the problem. The principles of Let's Move! sound good. Who would be against getting kids to be more physically active and eat more fruits and vegetables? But anyone who thinks that will reverse the obesity epidemic is sorely mistaken.
Beneath all the program's talk of making healthier food choices and increasing physical activity, its fundamental tenet is that we get fat because of the "overconsumption of calories." This is how the White House's Task Force on Childhood Obesity phrased the problem in its May 2010 report (PDF). And so the way to induce our children to lose weight is to get them to consume fewer calories, which they'll do supposedly by eating less-energy-dense foods, and, of course, expending more energy through exercise—hence the name, "Let's Move!"
This approach is certainly convenient. As Michelle Obama has said, it doesn't require the "demonization of any industry." All foods are OK in moderation, and the more our kids exercise, the more they can consume without getting fat. Follow this simple prescription and all will be well.
Except it won't be. For the last 60 years, physicians and public-health authorities have been giving that exact same advice to obese people—children and adults—with little or no success. When researchers have tested diets that restrict how many calories are consumed—counseling their subjects to eat, say, 500 or 1,000 fewer calories a day than they normally would—the results have been depressingly predictable. The subjects experience modest weight loss (maybe nine or 10 pounds in the first six months), and then they gain the weight right back. Weight loss doesn't last.
A conspicuous example of how these kinds of diets fail is the Women's Health Initiative, the largest and most expensive nutrition trial ever conducted. The researchers enrolled nearly 50,000 mostly overweight or obese women into the trial, chose roughly 20,000 of them at random, and instructed that group to eat a low-fat diet, rich in fruits, vegetables, and fiber. These women were given regular counseling to motivate them to stay on the diet. If we believe what these women said they were eating, they also cut their average energy intake by well more than 300 calories a day.
The result? After seven-plus years on the diet, these women lost an average of one pound each (PDF). And their average waist circumference—a measure of what the diet-book authors like to call "belly fat"—increased. This suggests that whatever weight these women lost was not fat but lean tissue—muscle. It also suggests that getting people to increase their consumption of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is not the way to induce weight loss.
OK, so what about getting them to move more? Surprisingly, exercise is a relatively recent addition to the standard prescriptions for weight loss. Prior to the 1960s, clinicians used to argue that making an obese person exercise would just make them hungry—they'd work up an appetite—and that's the last thing you want for someone who needs to lose weight. Sure, healthy kids (and adults) are physically active, and lean kids (and adults) are more physically active than fat ones. But it doesn't mean you can turn obese kids (or adults) into lean ones just by putting them on a treadmill. Still, the idea that exercise could lead to weight loss took hold back in the 1970s—thanks in large part to the efforts of one influential nutritionist, Jean Mayer of Harvard University—and we've been hearing it ever since. By 1980, as the Washington Post reported at the time, about 100 million Americans had become active members of the "new fitness revolution … one of the late twentieth century's major sociological events."
The fact that this fitness revolution happened to coincide with the beginning of the present obesity epidemic is mostly a coincidence, but it certainly speaks to the idea that getting kids to move more is not the answer. Indeed, reviews of the efficacy of physical activity to induce any significant weight loss long-term are virtually unanimous that it doesn't. The American Heart Association and the American College of Sports Medicine pointed out this fact back in 2007, when they published joint physical-activity guidelines (PDF). As they put it, the data supporting the idea that increasing our energy expenditure will lead to weight loss—or even a slowing of weight gain—"are not particularly compelling." Making it possible for children to enjoy the benefits of physical activity is a wonderful thing, but expecting that they'll lose weight by doing so is naive.
The truth is, the conventional wisdom about why we get fat is simply wrong. It's not about energy balance; it's not about "overconsumption of calories" or "taking in more calories than we burn." It's about something else entirely: how the human body regulates fat metabolism and the accumulation of fat in our adipose tissue. This seems so obvious that it should go without saying—getting fat is a disorder of accumulating too much fat, so of course we should pay attention to how our bodies regulate fat accumulation —but this idea never managed to spread to the clinicians dealing with obesity, obsessed as they were with the notion that their patients were simply eating too much and exercising too little. (The 120-page Childhood Obesity Task Force report, tellingly, does not mention anything about how fat accumulation is regulated in the human body.) The real question to ask is why we accumulate fat—or more specifically, why our fat cells store more calories as fat than they release into the circulation to be burned for fuel.
So here is the answer: Fat accumulation in the human body is regulated fundamentally by the hormone insulin. If insulin levels increase, so does fat accumulation. If insulin levels decrease, fat is released from the fat cells and used for fuel. There's nothing controversial about this fact. You can find it in most biochemistry and endocrinology textbooks, like this one that the Library of Medicine makes available online. It's just considered irrelevant to the problem of obesity.
And here's the catch: Insulin levels, for all intents and purposes, are controlled by the carbohydrates in the diet. The more refined and easily digestible those carbohydrates (the higher the glycemic index, as nutritionists would say), the more insulin will be secreted. And the sugars we consume—i.e., sucrose, the stuff we put in our coffee, as well as high-fructose corn syrup—will cause long-term increases in insulin production.
It's been known for centuries that carbohydrates are fattening. The Frenchman Jean Anthelme Brillat-Savarin made this observation back in 1825 in The Physiology of Taste, one of the most famous books ever written about food. Restricting carbohydrates has been the theme of one wildly successful diet book after another ever since. Through the 1950s, the diets prescribed for obesity at medical school hospitals—at Harvard, Cornell and Stanford, for instance—restricted starches and sweets, allowing meat and eggs to be eaten freely. In 1963, a British Journal of Nutrition article by one of the two foremost dietitians in the United Kingdom began, "Every woman knows carbohydrate is fattening: this is a piece of common knowledge, which few nutritionists would dispute."
So what happened? By the late 1950s, the University of Minnesota nutritionist Ancel Keys was arguing that fat caused heart disease, with little to no real data to back it up. But the American Heart Association quickly threw its weight behind the idea, the health reporters of the era followed, and even Congress got on board. The evidence never came around to support the idea—as the Women's Health Initiative also demonstrated (PDF)—but with the AHA behind it, the low-fat-is-good-health dogma has dominated nutritional advice to this day. And because a low-fat diet is, by definition, high in carbohydrates, the latter stopped being perceived as inherently fattening and became known instead as "heart-healthy" diet foods.
Then, in 1980, the USDA published its first edition of the Dietary Guidelines for Americans, telling us to eat more and more carbs and less and less fat. That message also coincides with the beginnings of the obesity epidemic—and this time, it's probably not a coincidence.
So if we're serious about preventing childhood obesity in this country, we need to pay attention to what actually regulates the accumulation of fat in the human body.
That means we're going to have to demonize some industries, or at least the products they're selling. It's not enough to tell kids to eat healthier foods and make fruits and vegetables available and affordable for all, nice as that may be. We have to tell children (and their parents) that carbohydrate-rich foods—especially sugars and liquid sugars, like fruit juice and soda—are literally fattening. We're going to have to tell those kids and parents that if they don't want to be fat, they're going to have to avoid those foods. It's not a convenient message, and the food industry may not like it, but it's a message that might actually work.
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I guess it's a game of semantics for me. It really is a game of calories in/calories out. The problem is that the calories out part can be complex and highly individual--and definitely controversial.
The laws of thermodynamics are what they are; you can't change them. At the same time, the rates of those interactions are governed by biochemical processes, and I think quality definitely plays a role there.
I'm hesitant to make value statements about one being much more important than the other. I prefer specific, well-structured and contextualized arguments.0 -
I think the largest problem is that people don't quite make the eating habits a lifestyle change. I had a nutritionist who focused on me eating wholesome foods and foods that are not "starchy" (such as potatoes, corn and grapes) and only lean proteins. I kept that weight off for a very long time until I started eating fatty foods and carbs all over again.0
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I do agree that everyone is different and body types are different and the way we lose is individualized.
I also know that I was never successful at losing and keeping weight off until I started monitoring my carbohydrate intake. I lost weight faster on a high protein low carb diet than I ever have before, and I lost more. Calories in/calories out and exercise are part of it, but if I let the carbs go wild, I simply don't lose as much on a weekly basis, even if I stay within my calorie limit and exercise 5-6 days a week.
Other people will say that water doesn't make a difference, but if I don't drink at least sixty ounces of water a day it seems I lose slower, my skin looks worse over time, and I have less energy for exercise.
I'm all about making kids move more - but it doesn't really make a difference if they are walking for 30 minutes and burning 200 calories while they are eating 1500 calories at a sitting for a meal.0 -
I am posting this article for people to read and discuss in an adult and civilized manner. If you are coming in to start a dispute...
By that you mean posting a different viewpoint to yours?
There are many of us on this website that feel that the QUALITY of the calories and foods we consume is much more important than the QUANTITY.
Indeed there are. And there are many of us on this website who feel the QUANTITY of the calories and food we consume is much more important than the QUALITY.
Great Health is NOT as simple as Calories In / Calories Out as everyone tries to say it is.
Fixed for you.
Weight loss IS as simple as Calories in / Calories out. Great Health isn't. Remember, there's a vital difference, and it's that difference which matters. Some don't have Great Health as their primary reason.0 -
"The truth is, the conventional wisdom about why we get fat is simply wrong. It's not about energy balance; it's not about "overconsumption of calories" or "taking in more calories than we burn." It's about something else entirely: how the human body regulates fat metabolism and the accumulation of fat in our adipose tissue. This seems so obvious that it should go without saying—getting fat is a disorder of accumulating too much fat, so of course we should pay attention to how our bodies regulate fat accumulation "
except it is about energy balance, the obese didn't get obese from simply eating at maintenance or in a deficit they got obese from over eating
"If insulin levels increase, so does fat accumulation. If insulin levels decrease, fat is released from the fat cells and used for fuel."
and yet insulin does not have to be present for fat to be stored
"And here's the catch: Insulin levels, for all intents and purposes, are controlled by the carbohydrates in the diet"
wrong again, protein is also highly insulingenic
"It's been known for centuries that carbohydrates are fattening. "
would someone please like to enlighten me when de novo lipogenesis occurs?0 -
However, I will throw in the argument that lifestyle has a lot to do with it. The popularity of videogames and computers and tv? Plays a HUGE role. I lived abroad in Europe for a while and LOST weight because every day I was walking to the stores and staying off my butt. I wouldn't say that I ate healthfully (just made sure everything was in moderation) but children today aren't as outdoorsy and active as they used to be because there are other ways to have fun...0
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Thanks for the article Grokette!0
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I agree and disagree at the same time.
For example:
"Great Health and Weight Loss is NOT as simple as Calories In / Calories Out as everyone tries to say it is. If that were the case, everyone would lose weight effortlessly when they embark on a Weightloss journey. "
Calorie restriction is not easy, so saying that weight loss would be effortless if calories in vs. calories out were the only factor is not really fair. However, I do agree that the quality of the calories that you eat makes a difference - it affects your health and choosing the right kind of foods can help with cutting the calories and still being able to feel satisfied with what you are eating.
I also don't believe that carbs are evil - they have their place, but like everything else you need to choose the right kinds of carbs.
As for exercise, it can help, but as the saying goes: weight loss starts in the kitchen. If you are not eating properly, then (for most people) exercise is not going to do it.
I also do think that different things work for different people and we all have to find our own way. BUT. The quality of the calories we are eating is a huge factor. That I do agree with.0 -
And if insulin is what makes us fat, please explain
McLaughlin T, et al. Differences in insulin resistance do not predict weight loss in response to hypocaloric diets in healthy obese women. Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, 1999; 84 (2): 578-581.
de Luis DA, et al. Differences in glycaemic status do not predict weight loss in response to hypocaloric diets in obese patients. Clinical Nutrition, Feb 2006; 25 (1): 117-122.
Due A, et al. No effect of inhibition of insulin secretion by diazoxide on weight loss in hyperinsulinaemic obese subjects during an 8-week weight-loss diet. Diabetes, Obesity and Metabolism, Jul 2007; 9 (4): 566-574.0 -
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"Then, in 1980, the USDA published its first edition of the Dietary Guidelines for Americans, telling us to eat more and more carbs and less and less fat. That message also coincides with the beginnings of the obesity epidemic—and this time, it's probably not a coincidence. "
interestingly enough correlation =/= causation. what else happened over the last 30 yrs? hmmm overall caloric consumption has increased and people have become more sedentary. to blame it on a single macro nutrient is just silly0 -
Weight loss IS as simple as Calories in / Calories out. Great Health isn't. Remember, there's a vital difference, and it's that difference which matters. Some don't have Great Health as their primary reason.
Yes, this is so true. I often make the mistake of thinking everyone wants to be healthy and thin. There are a lot of people on these boards that simply want to be thin. I'm usre they don't want to be unhealthy, but their primary goal is to "look good naked".0 -
I'm thinking about mashing all the theories together and eating nothing but1800 calories worth of bacon per day... I'm thinking I lose that last 15 pounds by Christmas! Woohoo! lol0
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I agree OP. My experience is that low calorie isnt working. I eat a low calorie and diet for the past 2 weeks and nada. I am doing low carb and low calorie and I think I'm eating too few calories.
I am a low carb defender. I didnt work out and lost lots of weight doing just low carb. You can keep it up for years. You can cheat here or there, but grains are simply not needed to stay healthy. Grains are cultural, but not needed. people make excuses for grains cause they taste good and not good for you. Good carbs such as fruits and veggies are the exceptions, but I'm tired of notions suchs as caloriein/calorie out. It doesnt work for everyone and surely not for me. I do under 1000 and work out and the scale hasnt budged or i've gain a few then back down.0 -
Weight loss IS as simple as Calories in / Calories out. Great Health isn't. Remember, there's a vital difference, and it's that difference which matters. Some don't have Great Health as their primary reason.
Yes, this is so true. I often make the mistake of thinking everyone wants to be healthy and thin. There are a lot of people on these boards that simply want to be thin. I'm usre they don't want to be unhealthy, but their primary goal is to "look good naked".
Yes. AT THIS TIME their primary goal is simply to lose weight.
When they get to their goal, THEN they may start to want to get healthier. This is how I'm doing it too. We all know being healthy and being thin, or at least "normal" are two different things.0 -
Calorie restiction has NEVER worked for me to loose weight.. at least not long term and to retain any weight loss I achieved from that method I had to starve myself. For me high fat, high protein and low carbs is what has consistantly worked. However there is no doubt that eating less and exercise works for some people.. I think that is why it is such a popular approach , it works for some in the short term.. the problem is most people can't live that way forever.. they feel deprived.. so they go off the "diet" and gain back every lb they lost plus more... I can name a handful of people right now that got really thin eating that way.. but they got to the place they were eating less than 1000 calories a day ,. they exercise themselves to death and live on "diet" food to stay that way.. doesn't seem possible to maintain that for the rest of your life.0
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throwing my thoughts across the board and speaking as a lifetime yoyo dieter who is now 58 years old I believe the reason I can lose weight but always gain it all back is because I know how to diet but not how to maintain my weight.People who are naturally thin seem to have no problem in this area,however for people like me there is always an issue of how much do I consume to maintain because having been fat from birth I have no leveller and I think this site may be the answer to a lifetime of trying to STAY slim.It is true that it is not all about weight but also health but as you get older the health issue becomes a much stronger reason to perservere,choices are important because thin people still die young and it does not give them the secret to a long life but the likelihood to be unhealthy still lies with the obese as it is such a strain on the body.I just thank god I have found this site and hope this will teach me the art of maintainence when I get to my goal.0
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I agree OP. My experience is that low calorie isnt working. I eat a low calorie and diet for the past 2 weeks and nada. I am doing low carb and low calorie and I think I'm eating too few calories.
I am a low carb defender. I didnt work out and lost lots of weight doing just low carb. You can keep it up for years. You can cheat here or there, but grains are simply not needed to stay healthy. Grains are cultural, but not needed. people make excuses for grains cause they taste good and not good for you. Good carbs such as fruits and veggies are the exceptions, but I'm tired of notions suchs as caloriein/calorie out. It doesnt work for everyone and surely not for me. I do under 1000 and work out and the scale hasnt budged or i've gain a few then back down.
" but I'm tired of notions suchs as caloriein/calorie out. It doesnt work for everyone and surely not for me"
so if it doesn't work for everyone, how do they lose weight? keto diets only work if you are in a caloric deficit0 -
As a person with Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome with Insulin Resistance...I can see this perspective in a different light....when you have too much insulin in your blood stream...it is eating all the sugars you have...thus causing you too feel more hungry...so you eat and then more insulin is released....and the vicious cycle keeps going....so there are two factors in insulin resistance 1) too much insulin hormone in your blood stream 2) eating beyond your caloric needs....this causes weight gain...
I honestly believe that all this garbage food out there like all these sugars and chemicals going into our bodies is making our bodies not be able to function as they were intended...instead our genes are becoming damaged so we can not process even healthy carbs, etc....
I do believe people should eat less sugars, eat more healthy options, eat based on your caloric needs and exercise...all of it....that is the lifestyle change...0 -
protein is also highly insulingenic
True, insulin is needed to bring amino acids to your muscles, but with the absence of carbohydrates, your body uses fat as it's primary fuel source. When you consume carbohydrates and fat, the fat automatically gets stored, and the carbohydrates are used for energy.
When people argue calories in/calories out doesn't work, they aren't saying that they don't believe in thermodynamics. It's more like saying that we shouldn't make that our main focus. People on low carbohydrate diets are usually lower calorie diets, it's just that people eat less unintentionally.
Just to throw this out there... a SAD that reduces overall calorie intake, also lowers ones overall carbohydrate intake. Not making any assumptions with this statement, just adding more fuel to the fire.0 -
For those of you that feel it is as simple as Calories In / Calories out, explain this:
Before going low carb I was eating at or below what I was told was my caloric needs and still kept gaining and gaining and gaining on a low fat, high carb, calorie controlled eating plan.
When I went to the Endocrinologist and she and the Dietician she sent me to put me on Atkins with in the same calorie needs I was previously told I miraculously started losing weight.
So, at 1500 calories of low fat, high carb and moderate protein I was gaining weight like nobodies business. And, I was exercising at high intensities for hours on end 5-6 days a week, plus running and playing basketball with my husband. I was highly active.
After seeing an Endocrinologist and a Dietician at the Strelitz Diabetes Institute in Norfolk, VA and she put me on Atkins at the same calorie intake 1500 calories per day with high fat, moderate protein and low carb and less cardio, focused mostly on strength training.
If it is about Calories In / Calories Out, how did I lose weight on the low carb plan, but not the tradiitonal low fat plan previously prescribed?????
P.s - I measured my food on both plans.0 -
If it is about Calories In / Calories Out, how did I lose weight on the low carb plan, but not the tradiitonal low fat plan previously prescribed?????
P.s - I measured my food on both plans.
a possible undiagnosed metabolic disorder?
regardless this is a N=1 situation, controlled studies have repeatedly shown the energy balance equation holds.0 -
There are many of us on this website that feel that the QUALITY of the calories and foods we consume is much more important than the QUANTITY.0
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I agree OP. My experience is that low calorie isnt working. I eat a low calorie and diet for the past 2 weeks and nada. I am doing low carb and low calorie and I think I'm eating too few calories.
I am a low carb defender. I didnt work out and lost lots of weight doing just low carb. You can keep it up for years. You can cheat here or there, but grains are simply not needed to stay healthy. Grains are cultural, but not needed. people make excuses for grains cause they taste good and not good for you. Good carbs such as fruits and veggies are the exceptions, but I'm tired of notions suchs as caloriein/calorie out. It doesnt work for everyone and surely not for me. I do under 1000 and work out and the scale hasnt budged or i've gain a few then back down.
I honestly don't see much of anything working out for you long term if you are all ready to throw in the towel after just two weeks with no results. Especially when you are doing it wrong in the first place.0 -
The author and his/her qualifications would be very helpful in knowing whether to take the article seriously. But...A conspicuous example of how these kinds of diets fail is the Women's Health Initiative, the largest and most expensive nutrition trial ever conducted. The researchers enrolled nearly 50,000 mostly overweight or obese women into the trial, chose roughly 20,000 of them at random, and instructed that group to eat a low-fat diet, rich in fruits, vegetables, and fiber. These women were given regular counseling to motivate them to stay on the diet. If we believe what these women said they were eating, they also cut their average energy intake by well more than 300 calories a day.
???? The Women's Health Initiative was not a study about weight loss, it was about the health of postmenopausal women.
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/whi/
The WHI was launched in 1991 and consisted of a set of clinical trials and an observational study, which together involved 161,808 generally healthy postmenopausal women.
The clinical trials were designed to test the effects of postmenopausal hormone therapy, diet modification, and calcium and vitamin D supplements on heart disease, fractures, and breast and colorectal cancer.
Prior to the 1960s, clinicians used to argue that making an obese person exercise would just make them hungry—they'd work up an appetite—and that's the last thing you want for someone who needs to lose weight.
Too bad no references are provided. I was born in 1961 and have always heard that exercise is a good way to lose weight. So if that actually was never heard of before, well, it sure caught on quick. I'll have to ask my mom and aunts (most of whom are heavy) if they were told not to exercise by their clinicians.It's been known for centuries that carbohydrates are fattening. The Frenchman Jean Anthelme Brillat-Savarin made this observation back in 1825 in The Physiology of Taste, one of the most famous books ever written about food. Restricting carbohydrates has been the theme of one wildly successful diet book after another ever since. Through the 1950s, the diets prescribed for obesity at medical school hospitals—at Harvard, Cornell and Stanford, for instance—restricted starches and sweets, allowing meat and eggs to be eaten freely. In 1963, a British Journal of Nutrition article by one of the two foremost dietitians in the United Kingdom began, "Every woman knows carbohydrate is fattening: this is a piece of common knowledge, which few nutritionists would dispute."
Carbohydrates are fattening. Wow, news flast. Fats are fattening too. So is protein. These are all high calorie foods and therefore fattening when you eat more than you burn. (another news flash)So what happened? By the late 1950s, the University of Minnesota nutritionist Ancel Keys was arguing that fat caused heart disease, with little to no real data to back it up. But the American Heart Association quickly threw its weight behind the idea, the health reporters of the era followed, and even Congress got on board. The evidence never came around to support the idea—as the Women's Health Initiative also demonstrated (PDF)—but with the AHA behind it, the low-fat-is-good-health dogma has dominated nutritional advice to this day. And because a low-fat diet is, by definition, high in carbohydrates, the latter stopped being perceived as inherently fattening and became known instead as "heart-healthy" diet foods.
Then, in 1980, the USDA published its first edition of the Dietary Guidelines for Americans, telling us to eat more and more carbs and less and less fat. That message also coincides with the beginnings of the obesity epidemic—and this time, it's probably not a coincidence.
Actually, Ancel Keys work suggested that people who eat diets rich in saturate fat had more heart disease (something which as been shown to be true in numerous more recent studies). It was the USDA. that chose to recommend lowering all types of fat because they thought the general public was too stupid or too lazy to differentiate.So if we're serious about preventing childhood obesity in this country, we need to pay attention to what actually regulates the accumulation of fat in the human body.
That means we're going to have to demonize some industries, or at least the products they're selling. It's not enough to tell kids to eat healthier foods and make fruits and vegetables available and affordable for all, nice as that may be. We have to tell children (and their parents) that carbohydrate-rich foods—especially sugars and liquid sugars, like fruit juice and soda—are literally fattening. We're going to have to tell those kids and parents that if they don't want to be fat, they're going to have to avoid those foods. It's not a convenient message, and the food industry may not like it, but it's a message that might actually work.
This is the message we've been getting for 30 years. Lay off the sugar and switch to whole grain carbs. So, again, not much of a news flash.
And the food industry has listened. Whole grains are much more affordable and available than they were 20 - 30 years ago.0 -
Yes. AT THIS TIME their primary goal is simply to lose weight.
When they get to their goal, THEN they may start to want to get healthier. This is how I'm doing it too. We all know being healthy and being thin, or at least "normal" are two different things.
I guess I take a the perspective that excess weight is a symptom of poor health in many people (yes, there are exceptions) not really the cause (although it can be a vicious cycle of inflammation). I feel like if you can address the health -- with nutrition not just pills -- then the symptoms will likely also come under control.0 -
For those of you that feel it is as simple as Calories In / Calories out, explain this:
Before going low carb I was eating at or below what I was told was my caloric needs and still kept gaining and gaining and gaining on a low fat, high carb, calorie controlled eating plan.
When I went to the Endocrinologist and she and the Dietician she sent me to put me on Atkins with in the same calorie needs I was previously told I miraculously started losing weight.
So, at 1500 calories of low fat, high carb and moderate protein I was gaining weight like nobodies business. And, I was exercising at high intensities for hours on end 5-6 days a week, plus running and playing basketball with my husband. I was highly active.
After seeing an Endocrinologist and a Dietician at the Strelitz Diabetes Institute in Norfolk, VA and she put me on Atkins at the same calorie intake 1500 calories per day with high fat, moderate protein and low carb and less cardio, focused mostly on strength training.
If it is about Calories In / Calories Out, how did I lose weight on the low carb plan, but not the tradiitonal low fat plan previously prescribed?????
P.s - I measured my food on both plans.
If its not about calories in / calories out then how am I able to lose weight by just restricting my calories? Maybe because not everyones bodies works the same.....0 -
If it is about Calories In / Calories Out, how did I lose weight on the low carb plan, but not the tradiitonal low fat plan previously prescribed?????
P.s - I measured my food on both plans.
You most likely have a metabolic disorder of some kind and replaced fat with refined carbs. For a healthy adult with no underlying medical conditions calories in / calories out works for weight loss. But for health a good mix of proten, healthy fat, and healthy carbs are ideal.0 -
The author and his/her qualifications would be very helpful in knowing whether to take the article seriously. But...
Given that the author is none other than Gary Taubes, maybe there is a reason why he wasn't mentioned. Taubes is well known for "creative" fact selection.0 -
Weight loss IS as simple as Calories in / Calories out. Great Health isn't. Remember, there's a vital difference, and it's that difference which matters. Some don't have Great Health as their primary reason.
Yes, this is so true. I often make the mistake of thinking everyone wants to be healthy and thin. There are a lot of people on these boards that simply want to be thin. I'm usre they don't want to be unhealthy, but their primary goal is to "look good naked".
Yes. AT THIS TIME their primary goal is simply to lose weight.
When they get to their goal, THEN they may start to want to get healthier. This is how I'm doing it too. We all know being healthy and being thin, or at least "normal" are two different things.
I am sure you don't speak for everyone. I've posted health information several times and met with the response of "I don't really care, I just want to look good naked." I would suggest losing weight and getting healthier at the same time, but I am glad to hear that you have a goal of gettting healthy at some point.0 -
Actually, Ancel Keys work suggested that people who eat diets rich in saturate fat had more heart disease (something which as been shown to be true in numerous more recent studies).
So, Ancel Keys showed a correlation? Could saturated fat have just been along for the ride?
I think the tables might be (slowly) turning on the saturated fat causes heart disease thing. Here's one post about it which I have linked to before: http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cardiovascular-disease/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-studies-old-and-new/0
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