Forks Over Knives Documentary..

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  • questionablemethods
    questionablemethods Posts: 2,174 Member
    Also, there isn't much money to be made in researching and telling people food and environment is contributing to disease. Pharmaceutical companies make money off of drugs. So if you identify a disease, it's more beneficial to them to make a drug for it, rather than try and figure out how to prevent it in the first place. The government is the same way. Big pharma, big food, and big ag give them money, they create the grants and fund the research that they want to fund.

    We agree there. And, not to be a conspiracy theorist, but I have heard of researchers (specifically some with results that don't incriminate saturated fat and cholesterol) getting essentially black-balled from publishing in some of the top-tier journals. I obviously don't know how true this is, but I am in academia (for a wee bit longer, at least) and I know that the much lauded peer-review process is far from flawless. Follow the money and the politics.
  • questionablemethods
    questionablemethods Posts: 2,174 Member
    duplicate.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    I recently started to watch it, hopefully I will get to watch some more tonight. I have been talking to my husband about it, I think that we still need to eat meat (lean) but not near in the quantities they we are eating now. It just floored me when the made the connection between casein, cancer and America. Totally blows your mind!!

    Wait, what link between casein and cancer? Casein is a milk protein, that:
    1. People have been drinking for millions of years.
    2. Is the protein manufactured by humans that makes up the majority of breast milk.

    Cancer is relatively new, how can anyone seriously try and say that casein is the connection to cancer? Haven't seen this documentary, but this absolutely laughable conclusion has pretty much destroyed it's credibility already.

    We've been studying the link between casein and cancer for a long time. You forget the food industry has far greater influence on what information gets to you.
    So, humans have been causing their own cancer for millions of years? Oh wait, cancer hasn't been around until relatively recently, much more recent than human casein consumption. What about Australian studies that show casein has antimutagenic properties? What about the fact that those studies from the China Study consisted of pumping rats full of ridiculous doses of casein? Or the fact that humans don't consume large amounts of casein without whey, which has been shown to have protective properties? It's kinda like concluding the sky is gray because I only look out the window on overcast days, and refuse to look out the window if the sun is out.
  • dietpop
    dietpop Posts: 37 Member
    I just watched Forks over Knives this week, as well as Fat Head.

    My mom is Chinese and we ate everything growing up. Beef, pork, ice cream, ... The main difference between us and the "American" neighbors was that we ate tons and tons of vegetables! They make you feel good.

    My gut feel is that you should eat what makes your body feel energized and healthy.
  • koosdel
    koosdel Posts: 3,317 Member
    I just watched Forks over Knives this week, as well as Fat Head.

    My mom is Chinese and we ate everything growing up. Beef, pork, ice cream, ... The main difference between us and the "American" neighbors was that we ate tons and tons of vegetables! They make you feel good.

    My gut feel is that you should eat what makes your body feel energized and healthy.

    I agree.

    There is no one diet to solve all that ails mankind. There is only choice and truth.. something these pop-documentaries fail to acknowledge.

    Choose the diet that suites you, and understand that I will do the same.
  • _GlaDOS_
    _GlaDOS_ Posts: 1,520 Member
    I recently started to watch it, hopefully I will get to watch some more tonight. I have been talking to my husband about it, I think that we still need to eat meat (lean) but not near in the quantities they we are eating now. It just floored me when the made the connection between casein, cancer and America. Totally blows your mind!!

    Wait, what link between casein and cancer? Casein is a milk protein, that:
    1. People have been drinking for millions of years.
    2. Is the protein manufactured by humans that makes up the majority of breast milk.

    Cancer is relatively new, how can anyone seriously try and say that casein is the connection to cancer? Haven't seen this documentary, but this absolutely laughable conclusion has pretty much destroyed it's credibility already.

    We've been studying the link between casein and cancer for a long time. You forget the food industry has far greater influence on what information gets to you.
    So, humans have been causing their own cancer for millions of years? Oh wait, cancer hasn't been around until relatively recently, much more recent than human casein consumption. What about Australian studies that show casein has antimutagenic properties? What about the fact that those studies from the China Study consisted of pumping rats full of ridiculous doses of casein? Or the fact that humans don't consume large amounts of casein without whey, which has been shown to have protective properties? It's kinda like concluding the sky is gray because I only look out the window on overcast days, and refuse to look out the window if the sun is out.

    Obviously some forms of cancer are genetic, and obviously casein isn't the only thing correlated with higher rates of cancer. Like I said, research in nutrition is tough. I don't ignore the studies that show the small benefits of casein, and we can never isolate one specific thing, like casein, as the cause of a disease that, even when located in one area, can come in many different forms. But there is more evidence for a plant-based diet (not necessarily a vegan diet) as being healthier than the consumption of mostly animal protein. Perhaps it's simply the fact that we consume a lot of animal protein without the consumption of enough plants. I would never tell anyone that casein is absolutely the cause of their cancer, but I do believe we don't do enough research and provide enough of the information from nutrition research to the public. We usually end up following fad diets, even those described as "lifestyle changes", most of which are loosely based on science, if at all.
  • HMonsterX
    HMonsterX Posts: 3,000 Member

    we ate tons and tons of vegetables! They make you feel good.

    No, they make YOU feel good. They make ME feel sick. Why do people always do this? Everyone is different, and just saying "you should eat more veg" isn't a very good way to go about it.
  • AlyRoseNYC
    AlyRoseNYC Posts: 1,075 Member
    I started watching it and couldn't get past the first few minutes. It seemed very biased.
  • DKBelle
    DKBelle Posts: 585
    I am from Hungary and it is same for me we have a big backyard full of fresh vegetables and fruits on it, but of course also eating meat that is already the biggest difference between eating habits :) I think you don't have to close out the meat totally but eating less of it will help you to maintain your body. Today the main problem especially in USA is that everything is processed even the meat so it is hard to eat healthy :)) I rather avoid the meats you buy in big stores.
    I just watched Forks over Knives this week, as well as Fat Head.

    My mom is Chinese and we ate everything growing up. Beef, pork, ice cream, ... The main difference between us and the "American" neighbors was that we ate tons and tons of vegetables! They make you feel good.

    My gut feel is that you should eat what makes your body feel energized and healthy.
  • Have you ever watched it?
    How did you like it. I think I will become vegetarian after this documentary and also avoid Dairy :)

    I watched it on Netflix. It was very interesting. Although I dont think I cud ever become a vegetarian, I am strongly thinking about ditching the dairy. Turns out its actually pretty bad for my health--PCOS'er.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,001 Member
    Ain't giving up my meat because of a documentary.
  • It was excellent! Since watching this documentary, I've decided to go vegan 2-3 days each week.
  • I just recently watched it and have since given up dairy which I'd already been working on before--I was down to just greek yogurt and cottage cheese as regular dairy sources--but have officially given it up completely... and truthfully I was debating the whole vegan thing but am still unsure... I have doubled my vegetable intake (do a lot of juicing) and have always ate a lot of fruit and I only eat meat once a day and might reduce that to the occasional meal when my body is craving the protein, still researching and deciding... and I agree that we need to avoid the processed/chemical laden foods--that's whats causing the multitude of disease we see today--whether humans are herbivores or omnivores naturally--just look back on the history of disease--they didn't expound until we started adding all this preservatives/hormones and god knows what else to our foods! So regardless of being a meat eater or a plant eater--keep it clean and natural and I believe you'll beat out the majority of Americans in health...

    Since I have given up dairy and started juicing--the one thing I notice already (been about 2 weeks no dairy and a week and half juicing--one to two juices a day) is that I sleep so much better! I fall asleep quicker and sleep sounder during the night, I also wake up less!
  • OfficialPR
    OfficialPR Posts: 1,578 Member
    Watched it this evening and am still digesting...but quite an amazing thing what dairy/meat are doing to humans..still not jumping to be a vegan but less of those two items going forward
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,229 Member
    Great vegan propaganda as far as the disease aspect went. The China Study showed that people who ate the most meat and dairy had the least amount of cancer and disease, yes weird, but true. People should buy local if they can and support sustainable farming..........
  • kenzietea
    kenzietea Posts: 614 Member
    Society needs to learn to take everything with a grain of salt. It seems like common sense to me, humans were genetically created to eat whole foods with minimal processing. So, of course your health will improve on a near whole foods diet. Regardless of my beliefs on veganism- (I am vegan)- not everything one reads is true and non bias and I suggest to everyone who watches that documentary to do research of their own before jumping on the bandwagon to such a drastic lifestyle change. But, I must say, becoming Vegan was the best choice I have ever made :)
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