I don't think I'm eating enough.
aprilgranier
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Ok, it's only been 3 days, but MFP says I should eat 1200 calories and I really don't feel like 1200 calories is enough. I only started 3 days ago, and I have actually been eating about 1300 a day. I used to live a very sedentary life (averaged 1500 steps a day, and no workouts). Now, I'm working out twice a day. One is strength/yoga/isometrics (HotWorx) for 45 minutes and the second is walking for 45 minutes (about 3.3 speed). I am eating healthy and watching macros. I feel very hungry. I am NOT eating my exercise calories. I am going to put it back to 1200 calories and eat some of my exercise calories, but I don't want to end up eating too many of them and struggle with weight loss if my info isn't accurate enough. Help.
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Quick. Get this out there too: Height? Weight? Age? How many pounds did you tell mfp you wanted to lose per week when you did your set up? Are you logging everything you eat? Weighing it?
I can tell you right now, it's only been three days so you really don't have much to work with But my gut reaction is hell, yeah, you're eating too little!6 -
Totally most likely MFP put you on 1200 calories per day because you've chosen a far too high weightloss goal. It makes sense: in order to lose weight you need to eat less calories. In order to lose a lot quickly, you need to eat a lot less daily. Thus basically, not MFP put you on 1200 calories, you did this yourself. I urge you to play a bit with the guided setup and chose different weightloss goals, and see what happens.6
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As mentioned, you need to post your your stats. In some cases it’s ok.0
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To begin with 1200 assumes you will eat back your actual exercise calories and being afraid you may estimate them incorrectly does not invalidate the expectation! zero is guaranteed to be an incorrect estimate!
On top of that the 1200 likely indicates you said you should want to lose 2 lb a week
this may or may not be an optimal or even appropriate rate of loss for you.
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What I find helped me gauge my recommended calories is the website tdeecalculator.net
You put your stats in, height, weight, age, gender, body fat (if known) and estimated exercise. It will give you your estimated TDEE, your TDEE is how many calories your body burns in an average day.
If you'd like to lose 0.5lb a week = TDEE - 250 calories a day. Or ensure you have a weekly calorie deficit of 1750.
If you'd like to lose 1lb a week = TDEE - 500 calories a day. Or ensure you have a weekly calorie deficit of 3500.
If you'd like to lose 2lbs a week (only if you have a fair bit to lose!) = TDEE - 1000 calories a day. Or ensure you have a weekly deficit of 7000. Don't exceed this deficit unless instructed by a medical professional.
Your TDEE can change based on weight and body fat so recalculate after every 10lbs and adjust accordingly. Reduce your calorie deficit the closer to your goal weight you get, when you reach your goal weight increase your calories to your TDEE to maintain1 -
What I find helped me gauge my recommended calories is the website tdeecalculator.net
You put your stats in, height, weight, age, gender, body fat (if known) and estimated exercise. It will give you your estimated TDEE, your TDEE is how many calories your body burn on an average day.
If you'd like to lose 0.5lb a week = TDEE - 125 calories a day. Or ensure you have a weekly calorie deficit of 1225.
If you'd like to lose 1lb a week = TDEE - 250 calories a day. Or ensure you have a weekly calorie deficit of 3500.
If you'd like to lose 2lbs a week (only if you have a fair bit to lose!) = TDEE - 500 calories a day. Or ensure you have a weekly deficit of 7000. Don't exceed this deficit unless instructed by a medical professional.
Your numbers are all wrong.
0.5 lb loss = 250 (calorie deficit) per day
1 lb loss = 500 (calorie deficit) per day
2 lb loss = 1000 (calorie deficit) per day
Also, just to be clear for the sake of the person posting: Myfitnesspal doesn't use TDEE as a calculation when giving a calorie Goal. This site expects you to eat more on Exercise days (by logging the exercise) but TDEE calculators roll the exercise calories into your daily calorie needs.
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@cmriverside you are so right! I've edited my original comment, thank you for that.
And definitely agreed, log exercises and keep mindful of the deficit created. Eat calories to ensure that the total deficit isn't too steep.1 -
OP: 1200 calories plus all exercise calories was way too low for me when I started, and I'm in the demographic where it could possibly be necessary (older, non-tall, sedentary outside of intentional exercise). I wasn't unpleasantly hungry, but lost too fast at first, got weak and fatigued after a few weeks. It took multiple weeks to recover once I started eating more. I was lucky that there were no worse health consequences, because there can be.
No one needs any of that. Be careful!
Also, yes to what Riverside said about MFP not using TDEE. If you get a TDEE estimate, and include planned in your activity level, then use that as your MFP calorie goal, don't log exercise separately on MFP or you're double counting. If you got your estimate from MFP, and didn't include exercise in your activity level (as its instructions intend), then do log any intentional exercise (or sync a fitness tracker) and eat those calories, too. Don't underfuel or undernourish yourself. (Getting the right percents for macros is still poor nutrition, if total calories is too low.)
It's a matter of personal taste/preference, but I'd recommend a different TDEE calculator, if you want to compare TDEE estimates (which include exercise in the base calories) vs. MFP (which doesn't intend to, if instructions are followed):
https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/
Yes, that one I just linked looks more scary at first, because the user interface has lots of options, and it's a funny color.
I'm suggesting it because:
1. It has more activity level options
2. Each activity level has a better, more complete description
3. It gives a estimates using several research-based formulas, so you can see a range of statistical possibilities, and maybe also viscerally understand that these are all just estimates
4. Some of the formulas let you input a body fat percent, if you're the rare person who has a good estimate of that
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My first thought when people say that MFP gave them 1200 a day to eat is that they said they want to lose 2lbs/wk --- which for many is too high of a rate of weight loss to really be successful. If you want to lose 2lbs/week you have to cut 1000 a day from your maintenance calories, which most people (especially if they are sedentary) simply don't have or they'd be below their BMR. So sometimes ppl just don't have much wiggle room to create a deficit.
If you feel hungry...you need to eat. And MFP is set up so you DO eat back your cardio exercise calories so you should do that as well. MFP sets your daily calorie goal at a deficit already when you say you want to lose weight.
You should include your age, sex, height, and current weight for people to have an idea of how to help reconfigure your daily calorie goal. But my guess would be that you can eat more than 1200 calories and still be in a deficit and lose weight. And also not be hungry like you are saying.1 -
@aprilgranier MFP often calculates ridiculously low intakes. 1200 calories is the daily recommended intake for a toddler. Are you just starting out with dieting or have your dieted for years? Are you looking for actual weight loss or are you more interested in body recomposition? What was your daily intake prior to the 1200 calories? Did you keep a food journal or log beforehand to see how much you were actually consuming? These factors ALL play a major role in what is an appropriate intake for you. MFP doesn’t know YOU, it just calculates based on a few metrics. Let me know if you have any questions or you can send me a friend request0
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@aprilgranier MFP often calculates ridiculously low intakes. 1200 calories is the daily recommended intake for a toddler. Are you just starting out with dieting or have your dieted for years? Are you looking for actual weight loss or are you more interested in body recomposition? What was your daily intake prior to the 1200 calories? Did you keep a food journal or log beforehand to see how much you were actually consuming? These factors ALL play a major role in what is an appropriate intake for you. MFP doesn’t know YOU, it just calculates based on a few metrics. Let me know if you have any questions or you can send me a friend request
No need to blame MFP, MFP just calculates based on the parameters selected by users and some users choose inappropriate weight loss rates. And those who are sedentary/shorter/older need fewer calories and therefore get lower calorie goals, even when choosing shower rates of loss.
MFP blocks the lowest intake to 1200 fortunately, or the resulting calorie goal might be even lower for some.6 -
I have always been afraid to voice this opinion on MFP for fear of being shouted down, but I am not so sure that the calculations everyone is complaining about are a bug. First of all, they are true. If you are sedentary and trying to lose weight at anything approaching a noticeable pace (like 1 lb or so a week), unless you are obese the calorie recommendation is going to be relatively low. Like in the 1500-1200 range low. But in part I think it is set that way — with exercise calories being accounted for after — to remind you daily that you could get up and move a bit (at least many people can). While exercise is not the primary way of losing weight, it looks to me like MFP may be encouraging at least 30 minutes or so of moving to add another 100-200 calories to the roster for the day. That may actually be high for what people will burn if they aren’t used to exercising. But on the other hand, not all of us are as sedentary as we think in our daily lives.
Just for comparison … I am 5’8” and I am underweight at the moment and trying to gain weight back after not mastering maintenance when I wanted to stop losing. I went to a nutritionist who works with my endocrinologist and had my resting metabolic rate measured with a machine in order to calculate the calorie intake I need in order to GAIN 1-2 lbs a week. After all the measuring and calculating my daily calorie intake to gain weight is only 1750 -1900 calories if I am sedentary. I am eating that much now (with settings on MfP calculated for maintenance — I was not doing any real intentional exercise lately other than walking so had my calories set at 1535 daily for maintenance by MFP but I was exceeding them regularly to try to gain back weight. So hitting an average of around 1700). It am apparently more active than I think given the eldercare that I provide for my family so should have set my activity level higher. The nutritionist says based on calculations essentially confirming what I was already doing based on MFP settings I should be eating about 300 calories more a day than I am now. Of course this makes sense because that is what I was cutting daily to lose weight too. So in my case it all comes down to not estimating my activity level correctly.
I say this with caution, because I think people often overestimate activity rather than underestimate it, and underestimate calories consumed rather than overestimate. I weigh everything and record everything and had a long history for the nutritionist to review
BTW I am trying to ensure bone density (calcium and vit d) so 300 extra calories for these purposes equals 1 8oz latte without sugar using low fat milk (made at home), plus either a plain greek yogurt , or about 24 almonds. I also learned of chocolate calcium supplements called adora that are just like little individual chocolates and I get to have 2-3 a day. There is also a lot more salmon and broccoli in my future!1 -
One other thought very specific to @aprilgranier … you say you started 3 days ago and went from totally sedentary to working out twice a day for 45 min each time plus significantly reducing calories. A lot of people start out new routines with a big bang like that and it is just too much to sustain. It is a huge change all at once to go from zero to 90 min exercise and revamp eating. Don’t beat yourself up for feeling tired and hungry - I am sure you are. The risk of doing too much all at once is that you give up because it feels too hard and too unnatural. How about picking one thing to work on and then adding others in as you master each step. Getting a good eating routine down will make the biggest/most noticeable difference for most people. So how about just tracking what you eat for a week and going for a walk every day. Then at the end of the week looking at your calories and macros and seeing if there is stuff you can swap out that costs you a lot of calories for not a lot of satiety etc. When that feels stable add something else in. That way you are constantly making progress, but making smaller more sustainable changes and you have less risk of burning out or injuring yourself. Also less risk of getting so hungry that you say forget it I am ordering a large pizza and a gallon of ice cream and not coming out until its all gone …6
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westrich20940 wrote: »My first thought when people say that MFP gave them 1200 a day to eat is that they said they want to lose 2lbs/wk --- which for many is too high of a rate of weight loss to really be successful. If you want to lose 2lbs/week you have to cut 1000 a day from your maintenance calories, which most people (especially if they are sedentary) simply don't have or they'd be below their BMR. So sometimes ppl just don't have much wiggle room to create a deficit.
If you feel hungry...you need to eat. And MFP is set up so you DO eat back your cardio exercise calories so you should do that as well. MFP sets your daily calorie goal at a deficit already when you say you want to lose weight.
You should include your age, sex, height, and current weight for people to have an idea of how to help reconfigure your daily calorie goal. But my guess would be that you can eat more than 1200 calories and still be in a deficit and lose weight. And also not be hungry like you are saying.
Here's more on picking a sustainably weekly weight loss goal:
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aprilgranier wrote: »Ok, it's only been 3 days, but MFP says I should eat 1200 calories and I really don't feel like 1200 calories is enough. I only started 3 days ago, and I have actually been eating about 1300 a day. I used to live a very sedentary life (averaged 1500 steps a day, and no workouts). Now, I'm working out twice a day. One is strength/yoga/isometrics (HotWorx) for 45 minutes and the second is walking for 45 minutes (about 3.3 speed). I am eating healthy and watching macros. I feel very hungry. I am NOT eating my exercise calories. I am going to put it back to 1200 calories and eat some of my exercise calories, but I don't want to end up eating too many of them and struggle with weight loss if my info isn't accurate enough. Help.
If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.
https://support.myfitnesspal.com/hc/en-us/articles/360032625391-How-does-MyFitnessPal-calculate-my-initial-goals-
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
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It all depends on your current weight and how much and how fast you want to lose. Hunger is to be expected if trying to lose weight. Controversial to say, but its the truth. I wouldnt recommend 1200 as a long term approach. Maybe do it for a few weeks and see how you go. And it usually only gives you 1200 if sedentary, so yes I would defo eat back the exercise cals. But eat them back healthy. Best of luck. 🙏🙏🤞2
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Yep……….
Hunger is to be expected if trying to lose weight. Controversial to say, but its the truth.^^^^^
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I guess it depends what you mean by hunger.
Yes losing weight will probably mean some times of stopping b efore being totally full or of feeling a bit peckish but not having a snack and waiting for next planned meal.. that sort of thing.
But if you are ravenously hungry most of the time you probably need to rethink your plan.6 -
You need to embrace a certain amount of hunger. Your body is telling you that it doesn’t want to tap into fat stores and you’re telling it to shut the hell up, you’ll get nothing and like it. Provided the deficit isn’t too large, the hunger will subside in time. Each time you lower calories it’ll happen.
People don’t like hunger hence why some will never lose weight. Food choice will greatly alleviate the problem.5 -
1200 seems too low whatever goal you have. It all depends on your goal but eat when you feel hungry. Eat healthy, drink alot of water, eat alot of proteins and adjust carbs and fat depending on your goal. 1200 MIGHT be the right number if you on the last week before fitness contest. Add me if you want more help0
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1200 seems too low whatever goal you have. It all depends on your goal but eat when you feel hungry. Eat healthy, drink alot of water, eat alot of proteins and adjust carbs and fat depending on your goal. 1200 MIGHT be the right number if you on the last week before fitness contest. Add me if you want more help
I think you need to learn more about the maintenance calorie needs of women, especially those who might be petite, older, less active. 1200 can be the right number - even for maintenance, let alone weight loss - for people who are not "on the last week before fitness contest" . . . who will never need to reach that level of leanness, and don't even want to.
Yes, many non-fitness-comp women do go for too-low calories for their own good. OP may be in that camp, because it's pretty common. But - sadly - 1200 can be the right number for some. Some people - usually larger, younger, more active men - find it hard to believe that that's true. But it is.
I "ate when I was hungry" (I thought) for a long time, was overweight for decades, and reached class 1 obesity. Then I ate in a sensible calorie-managed way - no, not 1200, and no, not hungry doing it - and reached a healthy weight, have maintained a healthy weight for 7 years since. For anyone with a long history of being overweight (among others), "eat when you're hungry" is pretty useless advice.8 -
1200 seems too low whatever goal you have. It all depends on your goal but eat when you feel hungry. Eat healthy, drink alot of water, eat alot of proteins and adjust carbs and fat depending on your goal. 1200 MIGHT be the right number if you on the last week before fitness contest. Add me if you want more help
I'm not sure I agree with the bolded part.
Many people don't have a good sense of "when they are hungry." When I was overweight, if I ate when I was hungry, I'd keep gaining. This is why MFP was a good tool for me; it helped me track how much I ate and modify it over time to reach my goal. Over time I did get better about hunger cues, although there's still times I think I'm hungry when I'm not.
If you THINK you are hungry, drink some water. You might just be thirsty. If you're still hungry, and if your calorie budget says you might not need to be, eat something low calorie and with fiber, like veggies or even an apple. If you aren't hungry enough to eat carrots, you aren't really hungry.
It does take time to get in touch with when you actually ARE hungry; many people can't really trust their "gut" until they develop that sense better.9 -
Knowing when I was hungry was not really a thing for me when I started on MFP. That took a while to sink in.
What also took a while to sink in was that after weight loss and a good while of managing eating by MFP/Fitbit/and scale it became remarkably clear that I DID know when I was hungry.
And, of course, I remain perfectly capable of overeating, whether hungry or not.4 -
I'm also on a 1200 calorie a day as I wish to lose 2lb a week, I was very inactive like yourself but now do 100 mins of walking a day & some resistance band training to keep some upper body strength, I'm on week 5 and yes sometimes I get hungry especially of an evening but I stave it off with a handful of nuts (I save some exercise calories specifically for this reason) I advise using a BMR calculator to work out how many calories you need per day, if the numbers are to be believed I have a deficit of 800 cals per day, last week I'd lost 1kg but have had a week of no loss, I weigh weekly so its more difficult to work out, take a good look at your nutrition i see you are meeting macros but with what kind of foods? oats and bulgar wheat are my friends but I weigh everything to ensure I'm not going over the top, a typical day food wise is overnight oats topped with fruit, homemade squash & sweet potato soup, salmon & bulgar pilaf with greens, piece of fruit & handful of nuts. Feeling hungry is definitely a thing but if you are getting the right nutrition it subsides, don't go at it too heavy you need to be able to see this through long term, all the best0
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tomcustombuilder wrote: »You need to embrace a certain amount of hunger. Your body is telling you that it doesn’t want to tap into fat stores and you’re telling it to shut the hell up, you’ll get nothing and like it. Provided the deficit isn’t too large, the hunger will subside in time. Each time you lower calories it’ll happen.
People don’t like hunger hence why some will never lose weight. Food choice will greatly alleviate the problem.
I disagree.
You may or may not need to cope with some degree of hunger but this idea that it is an essential part of weight loss - no it isnt.3 -
paperpudding wrote: »tomcustombuilder wrote: »You need to embrace a certain amount of hunger. Your body is telling you that it doesn’t want to tap into fat stores and you’re telling it to shut the hell up, you’ll get nothing and like it. Provided the deficit isn’t too large, the hunger will subside in time. Each time you lower calories it’ll happen.
People don’t like hunger hence why some will never lose weight. Food choice will greatly alleviate the problem.
I disagree.
You may or may not need to cope with some degree of hunger but this idea that it is an essential part of weight loss - no it isnt.
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tomcustombuilder wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »tomcustombuilder wrote: »You need to embrace a certain amount of hunger. Your body is telling you that it doesn’t want to tap into fat stores and you’re telling it to shut the hell up, you’ll get nothing and like it. Provided the deficit isn’t too large, the hunger will subside in time. Each time you lower calories it’ll happen.
People don’t like hunger hence why some will never lose weight. Food choice will greatly alleviate the problem.
I disagree.
You may or may not need to cope with some degree of hunger but this idea that it is an essential part of weight loss - no it isnt.
That's not been my experience, though I'd not suggest that my experience is universal.
However, I've not gotten to bodybuilder competition levels of leanness (nor do I wish to) - only into what's usually considered to be the border zone around the fit/average line for women, i.e., roughly low-mid to mid-20s percent BF. I'm guessing, but I'd speculate that the average woman isn't shooting for much lower than that. Still, their experiences with hunger may differ.
But overall, I'm with @paperpudding - since I haven't struggled with hunger, I think hunger is not an essential universal element of weight loss. Individuals' experiences differ.
I'm also not disputing those who do routinely experience hunger at reduced calories. I tend to believe others' subjective experiences as they report them - each of us is the world's greatest expert on our own subjective experience, IMO.
I'd encourage those who do experience hunger when dieting to experiment with food choice, eating timing, rate of loss, and other relevant variables to see if they can improve the situation . . . but improvement isn't guaranteed, of course.7 -
tomcustombuilder wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »tomcustombuilder wrote: »You need to embrace a certain amount of hunger. Your body is telling you that it doesn’t want to tap into fat stores and you’re telling it to shut the hell up, you’ll get nothing and like it. Provided the deficit isn’t too large, the hunger will subside in time. Each time you lower calories it’ll happen.
People don’t like hunger hence why some will never lose weight. Food choice will greatly alleviate the problem.
I disagree.
You may or may not need to cope with some degree of hunger but this idea that it is an essential part of weight loss - no it isnt.
I might disagree. Part of managing ones diet is to figure out what keeps you full. The other part is expectations. If you have little left to lose then you can't expect to lose at a high rate. It will be slow.
Your name indicates you're a bodybuilder? Then things might be different if you want to get into competitive shape. But TO is a woman who will never have such a low fat percentage, and, based on the bit she wrote not a competitive sports person where every bit of fat is a negative aspect but just an average person. So I guess we should be using average person assumptions.5 -
tomcustombuilder wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »tomcustombuilder wrote: »You need to embrace a certain amount of hunger. Your body is telling you that it doesn’t want to tap into fat stores and you’re telling it to shut the hell up, you’ll get nothing and like it. Provided the deficit isn’t too large, the hunger will subside in time. Each time you lower calories it’ll happen.
People don’t like hunger hence why some will never lose weight. Food choice will greatly alleviate the problem.
I disagree.
You may or may not need to cope with some degree of hunger but this idea that it is an essential part of weight loss - no it isnt.
I might disagree. Part of managing ones diet is to figure out what keeps you full. The other part is expectations. If you have little left to lose then you can't expect to lose at a high rate. It will be slow.
Your name indicates you're a bodybuilder? Then things might be different if you want to get into competitive shape. But TO is a woman who will never have such a low fat percentage, and, based on the bit she wrote not a competitive sports person where every bit of fat is a negative aspect but just an average person. So I guess we should be using average person assumptions.
Food choice is always a factor, however at some point there just may not be enough calories available to stave off some level of hunger. Hunger not meaning a constant state as it’s generally just at certain times. Everyone has a different “set point” of what the body will and won’t allow which will dictate what will be possible, so yes many factors…..
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tomcustombuilder wrote: »tomcustombuilder wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »tomcustombuilder wrote: »You need to embrace a certain amount of hunger. Your body is telling you that it doesn’t want to tap into fat stores and you’re telling it to shut the hell up, you’ll get nothing and like it. Provided the deficit isn’t too large, the hunger will subside in time. Each time you lower calories it’ll happen.
People don’t like hunger hence why some will never lose weight. Food choice will greatly alleviate the problem.
I disagree.
You may or may not need to cope with some degree of hunger but this idea that it is an essential part of weight loss - no it isnt.
I might disagree. Part of managing ones diet is to figure out what keeps you full. The other part is expectations. If you have little left to lose then you can't expect to lose at a high rate. It will be slow.
Your name indicates you're a bodybuilder? Then things might be different if you want to get into competitive shape. But TO is a woman who will never have such a low fat percentage, and, based on the bit she wrote not a competitive sports person where every bit of fat is a negative aspect but just an average person. So I guess we should be using average person assumptions.
Food choice is always a factor, however at some point there just may not be enough calories available to stave off some level of hunger. Hunger not meaning a constant state as it’s generally just at certain times. Everyone has a different “set point” of what the body will and won’t allow which will dictate what will be possible, so yes many factors…..
I disagree with most of this.
Food choices have a HUGE impact on perceived hunger. So do habits. What many often perceive as "hunger" isn't true hunger. It's a feeling sometimes based on the body expecting something it is used to having - a snack and such-and-such time. It can take a little while to retrain the body not to expect that. It's not always easy to do, and fortunately it doesn't take TOO long. So even if you do struggle with some hunger for snacks you're accustomed to having, if you can see the bigger picture and just put up with a little "empty feeling" (I don't call that the same as hunger) for a week or two, it very well may reduce on its own. You can also use fiber-rich foods or foods with some healthy fats and protein to make your body feel fuller to get through this stage. After that, you may still have some work to do.
I think our brains are amazing organs. They can give us signals based on hormones and also from habits. If you make the effort to change the habits, the brain will accept it. It's worth a try.6
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