what is the best ratio on fat protien and carbs?

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  • oksoitsjen
    oksoitsjen Posts: 21 Member
    I'm on 40c/30f/30p... So, I guess in in the Zone! Ha. I have had a very hard time staying within my fat goal everyday, but I don't go over on calories. I'm only busting on the macro side. BUT, I also have a hard time hitting my protein goal... It's a process but I really enjoy the flexibility that comes with the Macro type lifestyle.
  • oksoitsjen
    oksoitsjen Posts: 21 Member
    firefly171717 wrote: »
    I'm attempting to do 40C 30 F 30 Protein, But darn, its hard to cut that fat! Any suggestions on that?

    I'm trying too! I honestly spend tons of time looking for fat free snacks... If I can keep my snacks with little to no fat I seem to do a better job of not going over... Fat free Fage yogurt is my favorite thing right now. I usually add 2 tbs of sugar free chocolate syrup and splenda. Totally packed with other crap, but it's working for me right now!
  • DebKDrake
    DebKDrake Posts: 1 Member
    Babies grow faster than we do and need nutrition to build tissue and bones and nerves. Mother's milk is about 5% protein. As adults the mitochondria make energy from carbohydrates. It can turn protein into carbohydrates to be used for energy but that requires a process that is hard on the liver and kidneys and is acidic to the body. The body then compensates by pulling minerals, from the bones if necessary, to alkalize which often leads to osteoporosis.
    We really don't need as much protein as people think. But even starchy vegetables like potatoes, rice and corn and wheat all have about 8-12% protein. That's all we need but we will get more from beans which can be 28% protein.
    We need more fiber and nutrients which are found in vegetables and starches. There aren't very many vitamins and minerals found in fat and protein. That leaves people 'hungry and craving' even when they've eaten enough calories. They're craving the starches, fiber and nutrients.
    They also found that it is protein and fat that cause insulin resistance. When diabetics cut them down to just what is found in vegetables, they usually have to cut back on insulin within a few days and often come off insulin altogether despite eating 80% carbs.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,996 Member
    I'm doing 35% carbs, 40% protein and 25% fat. For YEARS. If I ever do a contest again, I'll likely do a stricter diet which is lower in carbs for 8 weeks. But not looking at doing that right now!

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  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,226 Member
    DebKDrake wrote: »
    Babies grow faster than we do and need nutrition to build tissue and bones and nerves. Mother's milk is about 5% protein. As adults the mitochondria make energy from carbohydrates. It can turn protein into carbohydrates to be used for energy but that requires a process that is hard on the liver and kidneys and is acidic to the body. The body then compensates by pulling minerals, from the bones if necessary, to alkalize which often leads to osteoporosis.
    We really don't need as much protein as people think. But even starchy vegetables like potatoes, rice and corn and wheat all have about 8-12% protein. That's all we need but we will get more from beans which can be 28% protein.
    We need more fiber and nutrients which are found in vegetables and starches. There aren't very many vitamins and minerals found in fat and protein. That leaves people 'hungry and craving' even when they've eaten enough calories. They're craving the starches, fiber and nutrients.
    They also found that it is protein and fat that cause insulin resistance. When diabetics cut them down to just what is found in vegetables, they usually have to cut back on insulin within a few days and often come off insulin altogether despite eating 80% carbs.

    Right out of the vegan playbook.
  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 9,944 Member
    Really old thread. I’m usually on around 65 carbs, rest whereever it falls. Protein is a reflux trigger and fat satiates not at all, thus usually just cooking oil, cheese, what’s naturally in veg, leaner meat, bread, etc
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    DebKDrake wrote: »
    Babies grow faster than we do and need nutrition to build tissue and bones and nerves. Mother's milk is about 5% protein. As adults the mitochondria make energy from carbohydrates. It can turn protein into carbohydrates to be used for energy but that requires a process that is hard on the liver and kidneys and is acidic to the body. The body then compensates by pulling minerals, from the bones if necessary, to alkalize which often leads to osteoporosis.
    We really don't need as much protein as people think. But even starchy vegetables like potatoes, rice and corn and wheat all have about 8-12% protein. That's all we need but we will get more from beans which can be 28% protein.
    We need more fiber and nutrients which are found in vegetables and starches. There aren't very many vitamins and minerals found in fat and protein. That leaves people 'hungry and craving' even when they've eaten enough calories. They're craving the starches, fiber and nutrients.
    They also found that it is protein and fat that cause insulin resistance. When diabetics cut them down to just what is found in vegetables, they usually have to cut back on insulin within a few days and often come off insulin altogether despite eating 80% carbs.

    Paging @AnnPT77 for a fact check.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,325 Member
    DebKDrake wrote: »
    Babies grow faster than we do and need nutrition to build tissue and bones and nerves. Mother's milk is about 5% protein. As adults the mitochondria make energy from carbohydrates. It can turn protein into carbohydrates to be used for energy but that requires a process that is hard on the liver and kidneys and is acidic to the body. The body then compensates by pulling minerals, from the bones if necessary, to alkalize which often leads to osteoporosis.
    We really don't need as much protein as people think. But even starchy vegetables like potatoes, rice and corn and wheat all have about 8-12% protein. That's all we need but we will get more from beans which can be 28% protein.
    We need more fiber and nutrients which are found in vegetables and starches. There aren't very many vitamins and minerals found in fat and protein. That leaves people 'hungry and craving' even when they've eaten enough calories. They're craving the starches, fiber and nutrients.
    They also found that it is protein and fat that cause insulin resistance. When diabetics cut them down to just what is found in vegetables, they usually have to cut back on insulin within a few days and often come off insulin altogether despite eating 80% carbs.

    I'd intended to comment on this when I had time, even before being whistled into the thread. I can't imagine why someone would wake up a 2016 zombie thread to post it.

    There are a lot of things in this post that are misleading at best, howlingly inaccurate at worst. I'm not going to pick all of that apart.

    Let's just say this: It completely ignores things like bioavailability and completeness of protein, which matter. Among other problems.

    Fully plant based eating can be done healthfully, and it's only mildly more difficult to get good nutrition fully plant based - for an intelligent person who's paying attention - than it is when eating as an omnivore. (I'm a vegetarian, BTW, not an omni.) The average person would be better off nutritionally getting much more of their eating from plants, absolutely.

    If someone wants to explore vegan nutrition, this is a good evidence-based source:

    https://veganhealth.org/

    This is one case where I agree with neanderthin: The quoted post is predominantly vegan advocacy claims, not well-founded.

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