I need help

Hi ya’ll. I am a 38 year old woman, 112 lbs, 5’3. I want to lose 3 lbs and gain muscle. I have been walking 9000-12000 steps a day and weight exercising for a month. Loving the exercise. But I am struggling to stick to 1200 calories a day. It feels impossible. I never even ate breakfast. Now I have to aim to get to protein goal, but I still need my fruit. How am I supposed to maintain a healthy diet on 1200 calories and get all the nutrients I need?
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  • sollyn23l2
    sollyn23l2 Posts: 1,754 Member
    You're already at the low end of normal BMI, so yes, it will feel extremely difficult. I agree with Tom that if you want to build muscle you're going to have to up your calories and focus on weight training first. But, your body, your choice, do as you see fit.
  • HoneyBadger302
    HoneyBadger302 Posts: 2,068 Member
    edited September 18
    At your size, gaining muscle is going to require eating more, or a very very slow recomp, which will take a lot of time (think months or years, not weeks).
    That is a fair bit of activity to try and only eat 1200 kcal - perhaps your goal is a bit aggressive? Shooting for more like 1 pound/month may make the entire process a lot more tolerable! You don't get the insta-results, but with only a few pounds to lose, you should be eating pretty close to what will be maintenance for you, but losses will be very slow at that point and barely noticeable with day to day (scale) weight fluctuations.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,166 Member
    Have you lost any weight eating that many calories, walking that many steps, and doing exercise for the month? If so, how much?

    There are some scenarios where you might not see a scale change for a whole month while in an actual calorie deficit, but not many unfortunately.

    I have known a very few people here on MFP - petite ones - who did find ways to get adequate nutrition on calories that low, but it took a lot of care and discipline. 1200 is very low for many women, especially active women. If appetite is part of the struggle, that's a whole other dimension.

    I'd like to help if I could, but I feel like I'd need to know more about what you've been eating, how well you're hitting nutritional goals, and whether your weight has changed at all over the month.

    Without more info, I kind of agree with others that you might eat a bit more and focus on a good progressive strength training program. I suspect you're going for an appearance goal, and a number on the scale generally isn't as important as body composition (muscle/fat ratio) when a person is as low in the normal weight BMI range as you are. (You're BMI 19.8 at 112 pounds, where the normal range would be 18.5-24.9. BMI isn't perfect, but given where you are in it and that you only want to lose 3 pounds, I'm assuming you're already fairly slim.)

    Best wishes!
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,166 Member
    edited September 18
    (Oops, duplicate post.)
  • nicolletteleroux
    nicolletteleroux Posts: 12 Member
    Thank you all for for the comments!! It means a lot. I have not lost any weight on the scale, I am staying constant. But I have definitely seen changes in appearance. More toned, definitely. So it is helping. It’s just the 1200 that’s impossible. I mean, I can do it, but I really don’t want to. I feel like I would become depressive if I ate 1200. I love food!
  • nicolletteleroux
    nicolletteleroux Posts: 12 Member
    Oh yes, my average calories I consume in a day is around 1400-1700. Then I feel good.
  • sollyn23l2
    sollyn23l2 Posts: 1,754 Member
    Oh yes, my average calories I consume in a day is around 1400-1700. Then I feel good.

    Perfect!
  • csplatt
    csplatt Posts: 1,205 Member
    I’m curious what difference you think three pounds will make when you are already so small. Are you trying to get more visible abs?
  • fmh1512
    fmh1512 Posts: 4 Member
    Hi I sometimes stay on 1200 c. For few weeks. My tips are: Increase protein reduces hunger. Theres so much hidden sugar too - so look for low GI alternative swap outs. I always have good breakfasts. Eg 1 whole egg and one/two egg whites with tomato, peppers and 50g ham is 200cals and around 30g protein (I use frylight spray) - you can make and take to work. Michael Mosley 800 recipe book has loads meals for 400 kcal. And my latest fav meal is pork schnitzel made with Tesco pork medallions (5% fat) as I’m fed up of chicken. I ate it with carrot swede mash and green veg. (No potatoes). Filling and low cal. http://natashaskitchen.com/
    Three weetabix- no sugar - can be filling.
  • nicolletteleroux
    nicolletteleroux Posts: 12 Member
    csplatt wrote: »
    I’m curious what difference you think three pounds will make when you are already so small. Are you trying to get more visible abs?

    I want to look and feel better. I have never weighed more than 105-109, except when I was pregnant and when I quit smoking. Now I am 112 and flabby. If I look good, I won’t mind weighing 112. If that makes sense.
  • csplatt
    csplatt Posts: 1,205 Member
    Got it. What does your maintenance seem to be based on your tracking?
  • tomcustombuilder
    tomcustombuilder Posts: 2,208 Member
    To reiterate, flabby at 112 means body composition is off. Get on a good lifting program, get your diet in order and forge ahead.

    If your goal is just to see the scale go down that is your right to do so. To each her own.
  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 9,928 Member
    Yeah, what the others said: losing 3lbs won't really change your looks. Rebuild your muscles
  • csplatt
    csplatt Posts: 1,205 Member
    yirara wrote: »
    Yeah, what the others said: losing 3lbs won't really change your looks. Rebuild your muscles

    agree with all these people. eat at maintenance and lift.
  • nicolletteleroux
    nicolletteleroux Posts: 12 Member
    Great advice!!! Thank you!! I have added weight training and I am going to stick with it. Will 1500 calories be good then? And I am eating more protein!
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,166 Member
    Great advice!!! Thank you!! I have added weight training and I am going to stick with it. Will 1500 calories be good then? And I am eating more protein!

    Good plan, both the weight training and protein.

    On the calorie front, what matters isn't theory, it's experience. Use your weight change averaged over whole menstrual cycles, or 4-6 weeks if you don't have cycles, to find the right calorie level. Working assumption, even though it's approximate: 500 calories per day is a pound a week, then use arithmetic for partial pounds. Keep monitoring: You might find that your calorie needs change over time.

    I think most of us are recommending that you eat at least maintenance calories, i.e., the calorie level that keeps your weight more or less steady over those multi-week periods.

    A small bit above maintenance calories would increase probability of muscle mass gain. That would mean weight gain, maybe even a very small bit of (temporary) fat gain, but not much.

    (You could think of any small fat gain - which you know how to lose later if necessary, right? - as an investment in gaining muscle.)

    Gaining a tiny bit of weight over the multi-week period - probably doesn't need to be more than about half a pound a week on average, could be less - that's probably good.

    You can trust your own observations, as long as you're looking at that multi-week average: If you're getting stronger, looking more "toned" (muscular), and your clothes are getting very gradually looser or even fitting the same for a while as your weight creeps very gradually up . . . that should be pretty good.

    Maybe start doing tape measurements at various points (making sure you have benchmarks to measure at the exact place), and front/side/back full-body photos in form-fitting clothing, as other checks on progress. (Tip: Don't do photos in undies. When great things happen long term, I'll bet you're going to want to share your progress photos. ;) Maybe bikini, or sports bra and form-fitting shorts. You don't have to share them ever if you don't want to, but don't cut off the option by using clothes that would be unshareable!)

    Body composition - muscle/fat ratio - is more important than the raw number on the scale, when it comes to appearance.

    Just my opinions, though.

    P.S. You might get some good reassurance or insights from people who participated in this thread: https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10177803/recomposition-maintaining-weight-while-losing-fat/p1
  • nicolletteleroux
    nicolletteleroux Posts: 12 Member
    Hi Ann. Thank you for your comment. I am averaging between 1400-1600 calories a day now. Exercising with weights 5-6 days a week and walking 10 000 plus steps a day. I have gained 4lbs in the last week. But I did have salty food on the weekend, which I’m sure factors in. I am still seeing improvement in the way I look, even with the scale going up. I just don’t know whether I should be pushing for a calorie deficit now or not? I never used to even eat breakfast, now it feels like I’m eating more than ever to get all the protein in.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,166 Member
    Hi Ann. Thank you for your comment. I am averaging between 1400-1600 calories a day now. Exercising with weights 5-6 days a week and walking 10 000 plus steps a day. I have gained 4lbs in the last week. But I did have salty food on the weekend, which I’m sure factors in. I am still seeing improvement in the way I look, even with the scale going up. I just don’t know whether I should be pushing for a calorie deficit now or not? I never used to even eat breakfast, now it feels like I’m eating more than ever to get all the protein in.

    I'm sure you know that if you didn't eat 14,000 calories (cumulatively) above maintenance calories, there's no way you gained 4 pounds of body fat. If you ate 1600 gross calories every day (on average), you only ate 11,200 calories during the whole week. That math doesn't math.

    If you recently started eating those increased calories, that would mean more food residue on average in your digestive tract on its way to being waste, and a bit more water retention to digest the additional food, either of which adds scale weight. Better odds that some things like that plus the salty weekend food would account for 4 pounds on the scale.

    Especially if you're feeling better and looking better, I'd encourage you to ride it out on that routine for a full menstrual cycle, to compare body weight at the same relative point in at least 2 different cycles. (4-6 weeks if you don't have cycles.) That will give you a better idea of the net average effect of the new plan on your body weight (and how you feel).

    I wouldn't be terribly surprised if you still ARE at a calorie deficit (maybe a small one), if the 1400-1600 is gross calories. A small calorie deficit can even take longer than one menstrual cycle to stop playing peek-a-boo on the bodyweight scale with digestive waste and water retention fluctuations. (At one point when I was losing slowly, even my weight trending app thought I was maintaining/gaining for 4-6 weeks, but my past experience told me it was wrong. After another week or two, there was a sudden scale drop of a couple of pounds or so, and my weight was right where I expected to be.)

    Hang in there: Assuming your logging and estimates are even close to accurate, I think this plan will be better for your health and your goals in the long run . . . but it will take some patience and persistence.

    Best wishes!

  • nicolletteleroux
    nicolletteleroux Posts: 12 Member
    Thank you Ann! This is encouraging!
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,166 Member
    Thank you Ann! This is encouraging!

    @nicolletteleroux, if you feel up to it, maybe let us know how things are going in a month or two, once the new routine has had time to settle in?

    I'm cheering for great long-term results for you, but I know patience is easier mentioned than exercised. ;):flowerforyou:
  • nicolletteleroux
    nicolletteleroux Posts: 12 Member
    Hi ya’ll! Just an update - I am eating an average of 1600 calories a day. I eat enough protein and I exercise 5-6 days a week. I weigh 116 this morning. Which is making me stress, because it looks like the weight keeps creeping up. However, I look and feel better. I am very bloated and I believe that’s the increased protein intake’s doing. Still trying to figure out the constipation and bloating. When should I start cutting calories? Or shouldn’t I?
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,166 Member
    Hi ya’ll! Just ean update - I am eating an average of 1600 calories a day. I eat enough protein and I exercise 5-6 days a week. I weigh 116 this morning. Which is making me stress, because it looks like the weight keeps creeping up. However, I look and feel better. I am very bloated and I believe that’s the increased protein intake’s doing. Still trying to figure out the constipation and bloating. When should I start cutting calories? Or shouldn’t I?

    If you look and feel better, you're on the right track. Those things matter more than a number on the scale. No one but you even knows what that number is.

    The constipation and bloating is a concern. "Bloating" is kind of a vague term, one people use to describe various actual symptoms, so it's hard to comment on that. I don't know whether you're perceiving water retention, an enlarged-looking abdominal area after eating (or in general), gassiness (like with burping or flatulence), or something else.

    But constipation can certainly increase body weight while it's happening.

    The things that tend to cause constipation:

    * Food allergies or sensitivities
    * Too little fiber in one's diet, or maybe even not the right types of fiber.
    * Insufficient hydration.
    * Insufficient fat intake (this may be particularly common in people cutting calories, since fats are calorie dense)
    * A diagnosable health condition (can be ruled out bt y improving the other factors).

    Two other things have some chance of helping relieve/avoid constipation: Exercise, especially exercise that moves the midsection; probiotic foods (like live culture yogurt/kefir, raw vinegar, live culture kim chi/sauerkraut, miso, etc.). Probiotic supplements are a potential, but it's usually best to get nutrients from food, and probiotic research is still a little young about what should be included in supplements, whereas probiotic foods are pretty time-tested.

    I'd encourage you to try diagnosing/improving the bloating and constipation symptoms, since that could result in the weight gain (without being added fat). You may also still have some healthful water retention in the picture related to exercise among other possible causes.

    It sounded like your goals were about health and appearance. If you're looking and feeling better, that's the key thing. But I can understand that you would feel better still if you could get rid of the constipation plus bloating to the extent that can be reduced through health-promoting means (i.e., not things like diuretics, unless prescribed by a doctor).

    Best wishes!
  • nicolletteleroux
    nicolletteleroux Posts: 12 Member
    Thank you! I am gluten intolerant and have been advised to avoid oats too. The statement regarding fat makes sense, because I have cut out 90% of fats like peanut butter and avocado. I am struggling to find a healthy balance between getting enough protein, fruits, veggies and fibre on 1600 calories a day. But I am getting there!!!
  • springlering62
    springlering62 Posts: 8,396 Member
    edited October 29
    Hi, Nicolette. I’m kinda late to the party so to speak, but thought I’d share my own experience.

    I was so “successful” with weight loss, I didn’t know what to set as a goal, so decided to shoot for wedding day weight of 125 (at 5’7”). I got all the way down to 129, which was 20.2 BMI.

    I mention this because we get weird ideas we should weigh a certain amount, based on a happier point in time, or what someone else or some chart says is “appropriate” or desirable for us.

    When I was 25, being low BMI looked fine on me. I was just a skinny gal.

    At age 59, though, similar low BMI/weight looked absolutely awful on me- even though I’d been weight training for a year

    I know this is an extreme example, but if you’ve got a number in your head, constantly reevaluate it, from both an appearance and a health aspect.

    I made to conscious decision to out some weight back on and ultimately ended up at a happy 142.

    All those tiny clothes I bought at 129? Well guess what, at a more muscular 142, they all still fit (except a few narrow sleeves that couldn’t handle my “guns” 😇)

    What I learned was that increasing weight wasn’t a cardinal sin, and that “extra” weight could actually sit better on my changing body - and look darn good, too. I was ultimately very pleased that I made the decision to add weight.

    I think, based on what you’ve said here, you’re doing an excellent job of monitoring and evaluating. You’re showing wisdom, knowledge and grace towards yourself and your one and only wonderful body.

    Don’t buy into a flat number. That’s a trick.

    FWIW, I’m currently up ten higher than I’d like, following weeks of extensive travel and subsequent illness. You know what? While I’m “fluffier” than I’d like, those clothes still fit, and I’m back in my groove to reach my happy place again. Maintenance combined with age combined with good nutrition and good exercise, your shape is always a work in progress.

    You are your own sculptor.
  • nicolletteleroux
    nicolletteleroux Posts: 12 Member
    Thank you so much for this message! You make so much sense! I am truly seeing and feeling a difference. Not just my body, but my mind is benefiting from this. I am pushing on and will keep you updated.