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What Do You Think of This Idea?

springlering62
springlering62 Posts: 9,133 Member

CEO and founder of Wonder, a food service company that owns GrubHub and Blue Apron, quoted in the Wall Street Journal:

Founder and Chief Executive Marc Lore ultimately wants to build Wonder into an AI-driven app that will automatically order personalized meals for customers.

“We’d be able to check your health through a bunch of diagnostics, allow you to set your health goals and your budgets, and then autonomously feed you breakfast, lunch and dinner from the assets that we’ve got,” said Lore, the former head of e-commerce at Walmart, who started Wonder in 2018.


Interesting concept. I “wonder” if this has anything to do with the big announcement MFP is teasing.

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  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 35,591 Member

    That is one of the last things I want. Ever.

    It'd probably sell, though. Whether it would actually stick or work for most people is a whole other question.

  • springlering62
    springlering62 Posts: 9,133 Member

    I think it’s intriguing. There’s def people here who lack, and I hate to use these terms but people don’t know how to cook these days, the skill, the knowledge, or the impetus to get started.

    One of my girls is very much into Hello Fresh, and she’s a brilliant cook, an artist whose art carries over to her presentation.

    She’s the last person I’d think would do this type of thing, but there ya go.

  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 10,210 Member

    Yeah, I understand that meal planning and cooking is a lot of effort for some people. I do enjoy it though. Thought: would likely only work in the US as just eating small cold bites outside of dinner and not cooking anything is quite common in parts of Europe. I just want to get my fresh croissant, or two slices of bread and good cheese for breakfast and lunch, not cook anything.

  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,492 Member

    Yeah, Marc Lore is an interesting guy but not prepared to give Walmart my AI generated diagnostics so they can feed me based on what they contend good health is. I'll call that meal "pie in the sky" and maybe he can use the residence of the future cities of Telosa he want to build. AI generated diagnosis is definitely the way forward in personal health care but believe it should be from a reputable heath care institution that has experience with this format.

  • springlering62
    springlering62 Posts: 9,133 Member

    I visited a “tech driven city in the desert” one time. It was a self contained dome/self supporting greenhouse that was an epic fail, and because a tourist oddity.

  • COGypsy
    COGypsy Posts: 1,419 Member

    I’d sign up for this in a heartbeat. To get varied, fresh meals every day would be fantastic. The grossest part about cooking for one is that anything you actually cook you have to eat for a hundred years or send down the drain because you’re so sick of it. Something fresh every day or two that required no shopping, prep, cook time, or clean up would be a literal gift from heaven. It would be like the Roomba of food!

  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 10,210 Member

    Is it impossible to cook for one in the US (assuming that where you are)? Because I cook for one and have no problem. Yeah, I often eat the same dinner two days in a row, or I cook a big stew and put a few portions into the freezer, but my cooking hardly ever takes more than 30 minutes and involves very few leftovers. Including fruit and grains I easily get close to 40 different plant-based things per week. I mean, if a veg is every so slightly wilted you can still eat it, and especially in winter they last for quite a while in the kitchen.

  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,492 Member

    I enjoy shopping, a lot, and of course I love to cook so ordering meals or food from an app makes me throw up in my mouth a little. I will admit though that for some people it might be the only time they take it upon themselves to eat healthier or are part of the growing cooking illiterate, where some help is appreciated. I do also admit to using Amazon for ordering certain items. Whatever makes an improvement in a persons life, I'm supportive. 😁

  • COGypsy
    COGypsy Posts: 1,419 Member

    If I cook a single serving, it’s mostly frozen ingredients because I can just scoop a handful. This week I made gnocchi with roasted Brussels sprouts and blistered tomatoes and I’m on day 4 and probably just throwing away what’s left. Same with the sheet pan pancakes I found a recipe for. Both recipes I like, but just can’t deal with the proportions. Other than some kind of single piece air-fried meat and frozen veg or a salad kit, I can’t imagine what would be a single serving or two of something. It’s honestly easier not to eat at all some nights.

  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 10,210 Member
    edited March 13

    I'm sorry. The last few days I had:
    1. a pulled chicken sandwich with a simple apple and cabbage slaw, all made by myself
    2. soy glazed pork mince balls with quick pickled veg and glass noodles twice (picked the veg once)
    3. wrap with chicken breast, mango, avocado, mozzarella with a yogurt lime sauce twice
    4. a portion of Scottish potato, beef and root vegetable stew from the freezer, with a bread roll
    5. malay inspired mie noodles with root vegetables and turkey breast.

    I just use the same fresh veg over and over again if needed, in a variety of dishes that contain very limited cooking. Ok, the stew took longer, but I made 5 portions, ate two, put the rest in the freezer. The rest was done in under 30 minutes.

  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 35,591 Member

    I don't even find it difficult, let alone impossible.

    Maybe being vegetarian makes it easier, I don't know because I've never been other than vegetarian in adulthood. From being married to an omnivore and from childhood, I understand that fresh meat/fish generally spoil faster, may come in grocery stores in standard-ish sized chunks that may involve more prep/storage, and maybe other issues. Maybe that creates roadblocks, maybe not.

    I also understand that a lot of people now literally don't know how to cook, but I'm totally comfortable with cooking, and happy to do it most of the time without recipes. I'll admit I turn to formulaic things like frozen veg + protein + sauce/seasonings when I don't have time or feel tired or whatever. But I have enough experience to understand how to cook a lot of more complicated things without a recipe, plus how to read a recipe to figure out what I call the "structural ingredients" (the things that need to be in certain proportions) then adapt the other ingredients to my taste. I feel like that experience is somewhat empowering.

    I wouldn't like this kind of service because I don't necessarily even know what I want to eat until I'm in the midst of cooking it. I almost never pre-log, maybe just pre-log dinner if I'm not sure whether I'm getting in enough protein or something like that.

    All of that plan-y, formulaic stuff is totally alien to my personality and preferences, let alone someone else making the plan. Just no.

    I'm also with Neanderthin on this one: While I'd be interested in a report on how my genetics and microbiome and what-not relate to good personalized nutrition, I want that to be done by a respected health care provider or university nutrition lab, not a grocery purveyor.

  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 35,591 Member

    Are we assuming that these would be already-prepared meals, and fresh, besides?

    Blue Apron has frozen meals that are prepped, or fresh meal kits you have to cook. I've heard of some local services that will deliver prepped, fresh meals that maybe just need to be baked or preheated, but it seems like the mass-market services are frozen or DIY kits.

    Since a lot of food kits and such even in the grocery store aren't aimed at singles, I wonder whether these would be.

  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 35,591 Member

    Some of my friends have used the meal kit services to learn to cook, or to broaden their cooking skillset/experience, or to have meals 2-3 times per week that were seasoned/prepared very different from their usual without buying big bottles of spices and other ingredients that they wouldn't use up (since the kits contain pre-measured amounts).

    I'm sure there's a market for this, if it could be done adequately, even though I don't want any part of it myself. My tastes and preferences for sure aren't a thing other people share, and I honestly don't have an emotional investment in persuading others to share them. Variety in tastes and preferences is part of what makes interacting with others interesting, in my world.

  • springlering62
    springlering62 Posts: 9,133 Member
    edited March 13

    I haven’t been impressed with the meal kits. I don’t care for all the single or small packet servings of sour cream, salad dressings, shredded cheese, seeds, croutons, spices etc.

    When I’ve made them for the kids when visiting, I just feel like I have a big pile of trash. Plus the delivery boxes and sometimes coolant.

    I’m no Thunberg, but the mountain of waste disturbs me, and gives me a very processed vibe, even though it’s the darn same ingredients I’d be using in more (hesitate to call it ) “bulk”’packaging.

    I also like my protein, and find their protein serving sizes to be woefully inadequate. Four ounces is laughable, in my world, anyway. I’ve been known to sneak extra chicken into the Hello Fresh meals I’ve made when visiting.

  • COGypsy
    COGypsy Posts: 1,419 Member

    I think it's Home Chef that has heat up meals at my grocery store. They just need a final cook in the air fryer and many are a good size for about two meals for me. I've done the mail order Factor meals that come fresh and just need to be heated up. Those weren't too bad, but the order quantities never quite worked out for me. There's a company in town that does crockpot meals that you just dump and go and they're really good—but are family sized and some of the ingredients don't always freeze well. I also found a fitness company that did premade meals, but they were in a cursed building that no one stays in business at for very long. (Seriously, so many places have been there—it's got to be the building!)

    It's just a challenge to find food that's tasty, healthy, and convenient for single portions. It was so much easier when I cooked for a household than it is dealing with food for one!