Must we squat?

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Yes you have to squat - but so that you can get off the loo by yourself when you’re old, so that you greatly reduce your falling risk when old. But are squats as a younger person the only way to build leg strength? No there are tonnes of other ways, including sprint cycling, leg presses, plyos. I used to work with an orthopaedic surgeon and the people with strong leg muscles recover from falls in their 80s. The ones who are weaker have a much higher chance of dying from a broken hip.
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Squat the movement? Yes, we must. Essential for long-term independent life. We need to get up off the toilet, pick up boxes without over-much straining our backs, get down on the floor without toppling sideways like a falling tree . . . let alone get back up again.
Squat the exercise? Not essential, IMO. There are other ways to train and support the squat-the-movement muscular and flexibility requirements, and not all of them involve spending hundreds to thousands of dollars on a bike. (That's not a diss. Even low-end decent rowing shells cost more than low-end decent bikes. I only own one bike, but two shells.)
I suspect that for a lot of people, the most time efficient and convenient way to maintain squat-the-activity ability is to do squat-the-exercise, if only something like squats to chair level or below while watching TV or something. If they're not biking, rowing, or doing some other exercise that has benefits for maintaining daily life squatting capability, I'd encourage them to do squat-the-exercise.
Even when regularly doing a sport that involves oh, 800-1000 squat-like movements per hour against resistance (though horizontal rather than vertical), I still occasionally do some exercise-type-squats, with or without resistance beyond bodyweight.
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This thread reminded me that I've been meaning to start doing a few sets of squats a day. I did them yesterday, goblet squats, 3x15 and was like "eh, I'll need to add some weight" and then this morning I'm sore haha. Thanks for the reminder!!3
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No, hit the bike and ride up some hills.Alatariel75 wrote: »This thread reminded me that I've been meaning to start doing a few sets of squats a day. I did them yesterday, goblet squats, 3x15 and was like "eh, I'll need to add some weight" and then this morning I'm sore haha. Thanks for the reminder!!
I know what you mean! I do them and think “no big deal,” but, yep, I’m sore!1 -
No, hit the bike and ride up some hills.I thought this question was going to generate a lot more discussion. I suspect that a lot of people don't like doing squats. They're kind of like burpees-- one is easy, 20 is really hard!1
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Yes, gotta squat.Didn't realize you wanted discussion, thought you were simply asking a yes/no question, which was adequately answered earlier.
I love squats...didn't always, learned to love them based upon how much they impacted both my legs and everything else...believe it or not, my bench press improved when my squat improved, because there's a lot of synergy going on.
And if you think 20 squats is hard, you can imagine the day I did a 100-rep squat challenge. This was years ago, but I sure do remember it as if it were yesterday...3 -
My knees don't like them (osteoarthritis, torn meniscus), and I don't like them. Upthread, I said I do them occasionally. Occasional is the key word. I'd probably be better off if I did them - cautiously - more often, even though my legs are pretty strong from frequent rowing/biking. (Last time I did physical therapy for knee issues, the PT agreed that neither leg strength generally nor quad strength specifically were a significant factor in my problems. We worked on other things.)
But I'd never tell people not to do squats, assuming they're able.
Just because I do dumb stuff doesn't mean I should claim it's the correct course of action, and urge other people to do dumb stuff.1 -
Yes, gotta squat.Yes you need to squat, for the reasons outlined by both Claireychn and Ann. It doesn't have to be a weighted gym-based squat but you need to preserve that mobility and function.
I'm a natural squatter, it's always been my position of choice for doing lower level things like getting something from a bottom shelf or gardening. Or kissing one of the dogs. So I add weight and do some variations to challenge my muscles because I want to live independently for as long as possible into old age.4 -
No, hit the bike and ride up some hills.
Another variant of this question: do you need to do free-weight squats if you use the leg press machine? I find the machine to be very convenient.
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I'd say no. If you do the leg press, I would consider that an alternative to the free weight squat.
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Squatting is one of the five functional movements; pushing, pulling, squatting, hinging, and carrying. It’s a compound movement that stimulate the primary movement muscles and a host of accessory muscles. The squat can also utilize all three energy systems and the central nervous system by challenging balance and coordination. In terms of pure functionality, squatting offers the most benefits for the time and effort required.
One could replace squats with alternative exercises that impact the same anatomy. But it requires a lot of different exercises, including the additional time, to get similar stimulators effect. And there is no combination of exercises that demand similar power generation, balance and coordination as the simple squat. Of course, some sports enjoy better utility from alternative exercises and more power to them. For anyone, whether an athlete or a sedentary person, they will receive greater functional benefits from squatting throughout their lives.
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No, hit the bike and ride up some hills.
No. You can do leg presses, box step ups, high knee steps, etc. Plenty of movements that mimic the same movement of a squat. Pick some you prefer and do them with some intensity in mind.
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oops.
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Yes you still have to do squats even if you're the guy or gal loading 900 pounds on the leg press machine. Remember, as mentioned above, squats are a basic human movement. One needs to train the movement (not necessarily with additional weight, although that is good). Reclining on a bench and extending your legs, isn't the same functional movement as a squat. Outside of the gym, how often do you recline on bench and extend your legs vs squatting down to pick up a child, get something from a low shelf or as mentioned getting off the toilet.
Just because something is convenient doesn't mean it's suitable for the task at hand.
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Definitely a good point with this. I don't think anyone needs to do heavy weights squats, but body weight or light weight squats are good for just about everyone to practice as a functional exercise.
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Yes, gotta squat.
Squat yes. Because there are so many instances where you need to use them naturally. Sitting in a chair and getting up, in and out of a car WITHOUT having to pull yourself out with your arms, up and down from the toilet etc.
One of the things that we've noticed in fitness is that many females squat much better than men because females have a tendency to balance and focus more on their lower body than men do. And with all the long commuting for many today and sitting at jobs all day, the lack of use of posterior chain, especially in males, later leads to things like back pain and weakness in glutes and legs.
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That’s a really interesting comment. Is the flip side that a lot of the women you see have poor overhead strength / poor grip strength? (From focusing on lower body and not the full body range?)
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Yes, gotta squat.
Another variant of this question: do you need to do free-weight squats if you use the leg press machine? I find the machine to be very convenient.
Squats work every muscle of the legs: quads, hamstrings, glutes, calves. Depending on foot placement, the leg press works every major muscle of the legs: quads, hamstrings, glutes, calves.
What's the difference? The leg press works the MAJOR muscles, but it does not hit the smaller stabilizing muscles. In a squat these stabilizer muscles are used to keep the legs and spine in proper alignment, helping shift your weight back in line if you start to lose balance, often unconsciously without you even being aware they are doing it. The leg press, however, cannot lose balance, the path of the weight movement is fixed and unchanging. Consequently, the stabilizer muscles have far less work to do, and do not get engaged often.
Now, the follow-up question: how important are these stabilizer muscles in the first place? For normal walking around and climbing stairs, maybe not. But ask anybody who's ever stepped on a toy in the dark, or misplaced their foot on the stair and it slipped off, or stepped on hidden ice and lost balance, or was carrying a small child who suddenly shifted their weight to reach for grandma and challenged your balance, or or or… These stabilizer muscles can be the difference between looking slightly clumsy but staying upright, vs falling and potentially getting injured.
Does this mean the leg press (and other machines) have no place in the fitness arsenal? Absolutely not! Sometimes a lifter is fatigued but wants to continue to work a muscle without risk of injury, so they use the machine to guide the movement path for them. Sometimes a person is recovering from injury, and the machine helps during rehab to strengthen muscles and joints. Some people new to lifting may feel intimidated by free weights, and feel safer working with machines while they gain experience until they feel ready to try the free weights.
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Yes, gotta squat.
That’s a really interesting comment. Is the flip side that a lot of the women you see have poor overhead strength / poor grip strength? (From focusing on lower body and not the full body range?)
Perhaps @ninerbuff or another certified trainer will have a different viewpoint, but in my personal experience of 15+ years lifting in a gym and observing those around me, I think it's fair to say the average male tends to overemphasize their upper body at the expense of their legs, while the average female overemphasizes their legs at the expense of their upper body. Of course, individuals will vary, and I have seen lifters of both genders who are equally skilled/strong across the entire body. But certainly not all…
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Yes, gotta squat.
I squat for the sake of the movement itself mostly. It is very important movement pattern imho. What I noticed is that once I added high rep weighted squats to my routine I feel way better and it makes everything else easier for me like moving around, getting up from the ground, play with the kids and it even made me stronger in other exercises. There are also a lot of variations of squats with free weights like back, front, goblet, jump or overhead squat and all of them come with their unique benefits.
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There is no mandatory exercise. Squats are a tremendous exercise for overall strength. As far a leg strength exercise, there are other exercises that target legs as good and sometimes even better.
A properly executed leg press for example, plus while resting, you can do some calf raises by dropping your feet down and doing calf raises. Then some leg curls afterwards. Doing these unilaterally sometimes also will allow the right and left legs to have a better strength balance.There are a lot of squat variations such as goblet squats, split squats, etc. Hack squats are an awesome exercise also. All these leg exercises need to be done in a full range of motion in order to have the most effect. Lower weight and better ROM is better than more weight and not going deep enough.
As an aside, lean back as much as possible and keep your toes pointed away from you when doing exrensions.
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