Fast before Thanksgiving binge bad idea?

I'm on a pretty good roll with my current goal to get down to a target weight in time for NYE. It's a pretty aggressive and ambitious goal but I feel like if I truly stick to my plan it's attainable.

We have an abundance of yummy food in the fridge planned for our Thanksgiving meal together (just my BF and I). I plan to enjoy my Thanksgiving without over indulging.

He usually gives me grief if I try to workout on Thanksgiving morning but this year I'm going to ignore him and do my thing anyway.

Tomorrow is Monday and I've been contemplating a fast before Thanksgiving, either 24 hours or.... longer??

I don't want to make the mistake of thwarting my efforts by fasting and then feasting and it backfiring by eating so much after a fast as if my body will hold onto the excess a bit easier after a fast.

Fasting after Thanksgiving is going to be impossible because we're going to both be off at home together with a fridge full of leftovers so I can't just not eat with all that food needing to be eaten.

A 72 hour fast is perhaps too aggressive to go from not eating too pigging out on high calorie stuff on Thursday.

Thoughts?

I might atleast aim for a 24 hour fast tomorrow into Tuesday and incorporate a really good few days of eating and working out leading up to Thursday. Hopefully with a workout on Thursday but that may not happen.

I try to do my really long walks on my 24 hours fasts right before it's time to break the fast to get maximum fat burn. Unfortunately as of right now it looks like even the weather isn't going to cooperate because I'm seeing rain both Tues AND Wed, either day I might be able to do this.

Again I am unsure what to do about fasting this week with the indulgent overeating following.

Answers

  • Lietchi
    Lietchi Posts: 7,359 Member

    I'm not a fan of fasting for extended periods of time. So my idea would be to just eat lower calories beforehand to 'bank' calories. (I'm also not a fan of deadlines for weight-loss, so we definitely have different approaches overall)

    Personally, for 'food holidays', I don't do much at all to prepare, it's only a few days 🤷🏼‍♀️ I just make sure to not get upset at my weight right afterwards because a lot of it will be water weight and extra food in my digestive tract.

  • KareninCanada
    KareninCanada Posts: 971 Member
    edited November 24

    Enjoy your holiday meal, plan for good choices, don't eat yourself sick, and get back on plan the next day.

    Prolonged fasting then overeating will just make you miserable both before and during the holiday. (And probably make your bf miserable as well.)

  • cupcakesandproteinshakes
    cupcakesandproteinshakes Posts: 1,317 Member
    edited November 24

    I just try and eat a little bit of what I fancy during celebration days. I don’t log food any more but when I did log, I would set mfp to my maintenance calories Overall I won’t gain or lose weight with this approach. Having maintenance days or even longer periods is good practice for the rest of your post weight loss life.

    I don’t have an issue with fasting, I just don’t think I would enjoy it. Or be able to do it!

  • lesdarts180
    lesdarts180 Posts: 3,607 Member

    "Binge" is never a good idea. Fasting is a subject of much debate, I won't comment here.

    It may be too late for this Thanksgiving but plan ahead for the next feasting day, and try not to have a ton of leftovers, if you cannot resist them. There will always be feast days in your future life (well, I would hope so) so try to learn how to deal with them.

    Eating a little less in the run-up to say, Christmas Day, or a birthday, is a good plan, followed by getting back on track to normal eating the next day. Make sensible choices, give away left-overs or bin them. You are not a dustbin, treat yourself well.

  • briscogun
    briscogun Posts: 1,268 Member
    edited November 24

    Fasting for days ahead of time seems awful! Why hurt yourself like that?

    I'm in maintenance now so it's a bit of a different midnset for me, but I will probably treat the next 3 days like I'm still trying to lose and calorie restrict, that way on Thursday I can enjoy myself a bit more. Now that doesn't mean I'm going to binge my way into oblivion, either. I can still eat lots of yummy food, doesn't mean my portions need to be off the charts doing it. Yes, the scale will go up on Friday due to water weight and excess "stuff" in my system, but I won't weigh for a day or two in all likelihood.

    Lots of people manage their calorie intake on a weekly basis, so if you stay under goal by say 750 calories for 4 days, that'll give you an extra 3,000 calories on day 5 and it'll still even out over the course of the week. I think fasting for that long would be hurtful to your system and potentially cause some crazy binging, but limiting calories for a few days ahead of time is a common strategy people use to mitigate the holidays.

  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 38,465 Community Helper

    I wouldn't do that. I especially wouldn't have done it during weight loss: On reduced calories, it's hard enough to get good overall nutrition and keep energy level up (so NEAT and exercise performance stay high) . . . without adding in long fasts.

    I admit my bias: I don't personally like fasts because I'm a hedonist. But I also don't think they're universally a great weight loss or health strategy, in objective terms.

    During weight loss, I handled holidays or other special planned eating-more occasions this way:

    • Maybe eat a small bit less each of a few days beforehand, maybe 100-150 calories under goal, at most.
    • Get in my regular workouts, and plan so that the holiday and its prep had minimum impact on that.
    • Go with minimal eating before the holiday meal, such as a very light breakfast. Ditto for after, if the holiday meal was mid-day.
    • Be reasonable at the holiday meal: Eat some of every food that was delicious, keep it to one plate, one dessert, and enjoy/savor every bit of it. Skip the meh stuff, unless I needed to eat a few bites to honestly compliment Aunt Pearl on her casserole or something.
    • Log it by estimating, but don't freak out when it's over goal. It's just data. Data doesn't have emotions. 😉
    • Go back to my regular healthy routine immediately after.
    • If I was less hungry the day(s) after, eat a little under calorie goal accordingly, but not deprivation level. (Don't want to try to "make up for it" and merely set up a future round of deprivation-triggered over-eating.)
    • Expect a big scale jump the next day, and maybe being up some for several days to a couple of weeks. It's not mostly fat regain, it's water retention and more waste than usual in the digestive tract, NBD.

    To me, the big lesson available here is to find and practice the habits that will facilitate staying at a healthy weight long term. That - not just weight loss - is the major goal or mission. "Lose weight fast" is a trap, and IMO a bad idea for many reasons. There will be many holidays in the future. Learn how to handle them and be happy at the same time.

    These days, now getting into year 10 of routinely maintaining a healthy weight (after about 30 pre-loss years of overweight/obesity), I've even relaxed a bit more than the above suggests. I've learned that I can be pretty indulgent on a holiDAY meal. As long as I just get back to my normal routine, don't let it become a holiMONTHs lifestyle, everything will be fine.

    The scale will be up for a couple of weeks, yeah. (If I weren't menopausal, hormonal weirdness might make it a bit longer.) It's not a big deal. As long as the majority of my days are what I need them to be - as is my routine autopilot habit at this point - everything will be fine longer term. I've proven that many times so far to my own satisfaction. (It took a few repeats to reach that level of calm, TBH. 😆)

    You will need to determine what's the best strategy for you, personally. That may be fasting, or some other approach different from what other people do. Personalization is key.

    However, I'd encourage you to think about how to use this holiday as an experiment, a learning experience, about what's going to work for you as a long-term, permanent approach to holiday eating. No matter what you choose, take a dispassionate look at it later, assess the pros and cons, decide how this did/didn't work for you, and adjust your plan for next time accordingly.

    Best wishes, and happy Thanksgiving!

  • yakkystuff
    yakkystuff Posts: 2,345 Member

    Just a thought on the words we use...

    For decades, "diets" have had "good food" lists and "bad food" lists

    We think if we did not "follow our diet plan perfectly then we are bad."

    The word "binge" also has 2 significant meanings - fun such as binge watch a show or binge excess hurt, too much, can't resist like a bender. Culturally, the fun has co-opted the word that is actually harmful/excess.

    Personally, I prefer to think of these things differently... for my samity…

    Food is not good or bad, I am not good or bad if I eat certain foods, or if I eat more or less.

    When I use those kinds of descriptions/words, there is an emotional negative/failure/remorse and guilt that gets attached and leads to self-recrimination, bad feelings

    and sometimes over-compensating to fix it - often by under-eating or over-exercising…

    which sets up a yo-yo diet pattern, that can progress into problematic dis-ordered thinking, dis-ordered eating, and deepen into serious to life threatening eating/thought dis-orders.

    On the flipside, our body needs enough food to live, maintain, gain or lose some weight - so totally appropriate to figure out how much to eat - at meals, across a day or few days or a week.

    To find food that helps our body.

    To enjoy some foods we personally enjoy, and include them in our overall eating, especially on special occasions such as holiday feast meals.

    There are certain times we typically change/adjust our food for reasonable reasons - such as sip fluids and broth when we are sick.

    A holiday meal with family and friends is a typical time we adjust - sometimes we eat extra, or choose different foods, we track or don't track. We eat more at the feast and less before and after or not...

    All of these are very personal preferences - we are adults and we get to decide our personal strategy, quantity for our body plus the other why, when, where and whats that are ok emotionally.

    On a personal note, I am good with doing something different for special, infrequent times - like a feast or sick days.

    I don't care to use the word 'binge' for a holiday feast/celebration festive meal.... if a person is making intentional/traditional choices about the feast

    because the word 'binge' carries the negative meaning… traditionally, it can mean a complulsive, can't stop/resist eating the food or a bender with substances like alcohol or drugs

    So, sometimes people who do struggle with binge eating will also struggle with a ginormous, publicly permissable binge - at the feast, and then after even, sometimes for days & weeks after…

    It really is a very personal thing.

    I think we can change our thinking and actions through practice. We can help ourself make forward progress when we figure out a strategy to try, practice that, then adjust amd practice more at the next feast/time -

    choose a strategy that fits in with our goals, and our desires... No guilt, choose, do, adjust, do more. Most importantly, enjoy - enjoy all of it and the time with family & friends :)

  • SafariGalNYC
    SafariGalNYC Posts: 2,472 Member

    Re workouts on Thanksgiving - I love my nearby SoulCycle turkey burns - I do an indoor cycle and then dinner later.. kudos on your holiday workout!


    re fasting- if you are going to workout on Tday - I wouldn’t fast too much. Eating lighter maybe the way to go.

    It’s personally refreshing to read about someone not wanting to overindulge on a holiday.

    Enjoy! 😉

  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 38,465 Community Helper

    I was glad to see @yakkystuff's post above. Thinking this over after my PP, I had a similar reaction to the big-drama wording of the OP. "Binge" "fast" "pigging out" "thwarting my effort" "feasting" "backfiring" "maximum fat burn" "indulgent overeating" . . . .

    This isn't an epic battle between good and evil. It's not a morality play. Ideally, IMO, it's a search for a more positive, stable, permanent - and yes, enjoyable - lifestyle.

    Those words sound extreme, judgemental. YMMV, but personally I don't find that kind of thinking helpful for weight management planning.

  • nossmf
    nossmf Posts: 15,936 Member

    I want to change focus slightly by looking at a couple phrases from the OP:

    • "I don't want to make the mistake of thwarting my efforts by fasting and then feasting and it backfiring by eating so much after a fast as if my body will hold onto the excess a bit easier after a fast."
    • "I try to do my really long walks on my 24 hours fasts right before it's time to break the fast to get maximum fat burn."

    Whether there's some scientific merit to these ideas is debatable, but even those who believe they are true will likely admit the impact is minor. It's like talking about the magic "2-hr protein window" to maximize your body's intake of nutrients following a weightlifting workout. Could there be some degree of actual benefit? Sure. Is it likely going to mean the difference between success and failure? Absolutely not.

    Professionals doing fitness for a living, whether athletes or photo targets or actors, can debate about the utility of magic windows to avoid or indulge. But for the 99.99% of the rest of us, it's our actions during our lives which make the true impact, whether we are over or under calories over the course of several weeks, not on a single day or doing something different once after a prolonged period of something else.

    Your body won't magically transform a single large meal into a pound of body fat, regardless whether you fast before, exercise before, or do nothing of the sort. Your body won't magically burn an extra pound of fat because you exercise at the end of the day instead of at the beginning (or vice versa).

  • justinejacksonm
    justinejacksonm Posts: 78 Member

    Thank you all for your thoughtful replies!!

    Yesterday I made the choice to just make very healthful choices about what I'm eating. I had a nice light nutritious dinner and today I got up and had a very account active morning before work. Little bit of cardio, weights, Pilates and long relaxing walk. I've been eating a little lighter today and will maintain this until Thursday just to give my body a little wiggle room without my holiday feasting being too hard on my GI tract the way it might if I do a full on fast before.

    Will eat slowly until I'm satiated without being a glutton but enjoy my meal. I'm still planning to get up and do some sort of workout and then Friday since my other half will be working and I'm off I'll have my morning to spend with a nice long leisurely workout of some sort. I'll likely get up Friday and do this in a fasted state before I eat just to try and help move through/clear out some of the lingering bulk from the previous night's meal.