Plateau Woes
I have stayed the same weight since September, 133 lbs. (for context, I am 5'7" and working to get down to my goal weight of 125 lbs.). I have actually gone up 3 lbs and come back down since then out of frustration. I actually stopped logging into mfp because I just felt like I'm not logging any progress, which made me feel worse. But now I am back again—at square one, working on losing 8 lbs. I am doing more bodyweight exercises—pushups, situps, high knee skips, pushups, fast paced walking mixed with jogging—everything. And I can't eat less that I am eating now because I wouldn't be able to concentrate at work or exercise for that matter. I need advice that helps me meet my goal, not a "You're good where you are, don't lose anymore".
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Sometimes more exercise is counterproductive as it makes hunger worse. Try just dropping some non protein calories. If you are doing low-carb, try bumping the carbs up a little bit maybe lower fat if fat calories are a bit high. That's dependent though on whether your body and brain runs better on carbs or fats
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So my first thought when someone has been stuck for 6 weeks or so at the same weight is: you are eating at maintenance and don't realize it. Your body is telling you what's happening, but you might be looking in the wrong direction at the reasons why.
Is it possible there are some logging inaccuracies that were small enough to not trip up your weight loss but now that you've lost a bunch you are down enough that it's at a maintenance level of CI? Are you really measuring/weighing everything to the gram? It's real easy to add a few 100 extra calories by eyeballing/guestimating and as you get closer to goal weight these might be enough to derail you.
Adding the extra exercise can be counter-productive to the scale, as well. New or increased intensity exercises can cause the body to retain water for muscle repair, which can mask losses on the scale. Every time I start a new exercise program I know the next 7-10 days are gonna show a bump on the scale from water retention (still sucks to see it on the scale though).
Keep in mind the reason they say the last 10 lbs are the hardest to lose is mostly because you have to be so on point with your diet, calories, logging, etc., that most people give up. I've found that the scale doesn't always reflect what my head thinks should be happening. Sometime the mirror and how your clothes fit are a better indicator of where you are in your journey as you get closer to what you think your "goal weight" should be.
Good job getting this close to your goal! Hopefully you can make a few tweaks and finish it soon! Good luck!
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Okay, lowering carbs i can do that. I suddenly dropped 2 pounds by today after checking my weight last week Friday, so some progress finally and happily. And realistically at this point 12anything will feel like I have met my goal, so just 2 more to go to finally make a dent.
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Yes, I have been eating st maintenance like 4 days each week to be able to feel alert and concentrate at work. I have been gradually cutting out more than recommended guidelines for added sugar but occasionally have a full stack of ihop pancakes or something moderate like that to balance things out. It been a bit tricky to remain on a 1200 cal diet and I am sure I've hit 2000 to 2400 some days but have never stopped working out. Will work on being more consistent with diet to see the progress because I really want it.
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133lbs and 5’7”
BMI 20.8
Healthy BMI range is 18.5 to 24.9
BMI is controversial and not the be all and end all of metrics.
Have you calculated your body fat percentage? (I use Health Status body fat % calculator). To my knowledge there is no 100% accurate body fat % calculator. I like this one because it calculates using 4 different methods. https://www.healthstatus.com/calculate/body-fat-percentage-calculator/
Are you working on body re-composition?
Is it possible 133lbs is the ‘right’ weight for you?
What do you expect to be different at 125lbs?
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Expecting to feel more lighter on my feet with the weight loss. I dropped 2 recently, coming down to 131, and it is amazing how much lighter I feel already with just 2 lbs loss. So, ai hope in just a few more pounds, it will feel like walking around without a bookbag, much lighter and freer.
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To avoid heartbreaks.... water weight manipulation/management (which is what a fast and substantial loss due to dropping carbs would be), is legitimate scale weight.
But it is not a change in adipose tissue.
Such management is mostly a temporary on and off water weight change based on recent carb intake changes and can best be considered "borrowed" instead of permanent.
Enjoy it for what it is: a temp boost and fun while you deal with longer term changes
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Yes, it could.be that. I just dropped down to 129. Will try to be more consistent thought with overall calories to keep it off.
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sorry I’m going to kick your “I don’t want advice” request in the teeth.
I was 125 on my wedding day. When I started losing weight at 56, (5’7” like you, and over 225) I honestly didn’t expect to be successful. I kept blowing through goals. So I thought “wedding day weight will be the perfect goal!”’
I got within a couple of pounds. I was skin and bones, tired, mean, and determined.It wasn’t until a trusted (and much revered and loved) trainer texted me a photo of myself from behind with the simple comment “stop losing or I’m dropping you” that I realized …
125 at “this” age was waaaaaay different than 125 at “that” age The weight sits on you differently What looked thin back in tha day now looked like a worn out, underfed, nag horse.In my pursuit of that wedding day goal, I had dropped muscle I had fought to gain. I literally looked like a grandaddy longlegs.
I’m not telling you what to do. if 125 is your goal and you’re “light” and happy there, then so be it but I will say, having weighed in at 148 this morning , I’m wearing the same clothes I did at 127, I’m curvier (nice curves), I've got great muscle, and I’ve got kids young enough to be my grandkids scratching their heads and clearly reading their faces thinking,”did she just do that? Wasn’t she in the class before this, too? Didn’t I just see her in the gym? In the pool?”Task a trusted spouse, partner, friend, family member, trainer or whatever to take photos of you when you don’t know it. Look at those photos. Evaluate those photos. Be honest with yourself. Is your goal appropriate or is it some number you pulled out of your bottom like I did? Are you on a potential path to an eating disorder and rationalizing it by “feeling lighter”?
Ok will get off my high horse now, but take it from someone your height, unless you’re really young, 125 is probably going to age you instead of the result you’re looking for.
And BTW, my wedding dress swims on me. And I’m 23 pounds higher than on my wedding day.
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I used to weigh 118bto 123lbs for most of my life, then I was injured (a sports injury) and had to take medication that contributed to weight gain in addition to eating as if I am exercising all day. You are not kicking anything teeth. It's good advic3, but I have never been overweight a single day of my life and now that I am recovered, I am working on removing the excess weight that is absolutely foreign to me.
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Well explained. There’s so many people here chasing poor choices, it’s hard to tell sometimes.
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Thank you. It's about choices. And I think as well being able to laugh at myself sometimes for the some of the choices I've made, then learning from them and moving on--living the life that I want.
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I wonder how you look? 5 7 and 133.. and you workout.. which means you are fit. Is there a chance you look pretty darned good now, and there's a thought it your head that you have to weight 125?
There's no shame in readjusting your goal weight. I totally understand how you don't want to eat less if it is hard now. You have to live your life. Maybe flex your calories or take a day off from dieting once a week and see if that jumpstarts a loss?
I've done that in the past.. the more I exercised and ate perfectly.. I never lost. When I ate a few meals off and took days of rest from exercising I started losing again.
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That's true. When i was eating lesser, it sucked. I like my "favorite things"-- belgian waffle, whipped cream, and chocolate of course—and wouldn't choose to lose weight without those things. I do have 125 in my head, which is actually a little higher than what I used to weigh a year ago, but it allows for more flexibility and I really love how incorporating more strength training has been making my body feel and move so well.
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I feel like I was in a similar situation. I’m also 5’7”, starting weight 140 lbs., goal weight about 133. I’m post menopausal, fairly active and muscular build. I gained about 10-13 lbs over about two years. I started logging and reducing calories in October. The first few weeks showed very little difference and lots of fluctuations.
Now I’m down about 5 lbs and my calories are around 1300-1500. What has made some difference for me is cutting out sugar and sweets, subbing with erythritol and baking my own keto brownies ( I have a sweet tooth), eating most of my calories in the middle of the day, and not snacking/grazing before bed. I have not felt overly hungry.I had gotten into a bad habit of eating cookies, crackers, and other sweets right before bed and going to bed in a full stomach. Now when I go to bed, I don’t feel overly full. I have a cup of tea if I feel tempted to snack.
Curious if you have noticed any change since your post? It takes time, especially when it’s a lower percentage you want to lose.
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exercising more makes hunger worse cause you are increasing your expenditure. it also allows you to eat more food for effectively the same amount of calories, so I don't see how cutting exercise would be a good idea for anybody, rather that just increasing intake as you increase expenditure.
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it depends on how much exercise you're talking about. Some people overdo it. You need to find your sweet spot. Also some types of exercise causes more hunger.
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The issue with exercise is that it can (in some people) increase appetite. So they eat more and cancel out any calorie deficit.
I’m one of them. If I don’t exercise my appetite falls off a cliff and I will find it easier to lose weight by calorie restriction. I exercise a reasonable amount and my appetite is through the roof.
Having said that, I think pretty much everyone on here is in favour of exercise for the health benefits and it’s good to do. Just be aware that exercise can increase appetite beyond the intended calorie limit in some people.
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In addition to what others said - and a thing that could apply in OP's case: Some people reduce daily life activity levels when they exercise, thus burning fewer calories than expected in daily life, effectively wiping out some of the exercise calories.
The effect can be subtle. Even reduced spontaneous movement - fidgeting and similar unconscious movements - can represent as much as a couple of hundred calories daily. That's without even considering cases where exercise induces persisting fatigue that makes a person sit more, rest more, sleep longer, etc.
There's research about this effect. Look up "exercise calorie compensation" or "exercise energy compensation". However, the findings are mixed. In some studies that present the details, it looks like some people are "compensators" (when they exercise more, they do less in daily life) but others "non-compensators" (most/all exercise calories increase TDEE), and the degree of compensation varies individually.
(Yes, compensation pretty clearly seems to happen at a population average level - Hadza versus developed world, blahblahblah. But Michael Phelps, the much-Olympic-medaled swimmer, consumed 8000-10000 calories daily during peak training and didn't get fat doing it. Individuals vary, and for weight management we care about our own individual case, not our national average.)
Common sense might suggest that if people over-exercise for their current fitness level, they're more likely to put themselves in the "compensator" category and not get all the calorie benefits from the added exercise. I suspect that's part of the picture, especially since professional endurance athletes besides Phelps have massive calorie needs compared to us regular duffers. I haven't seen any research, though, that tries to correlate compensation with exercise load and starting fitness level.
The implied question to OP is "are you over-exercising?". If so, slow the bus down, and build back up more gradually. Yes, exercise is good for a body, worth doing, potentially (probably) increases calorie needs. But it's not necessarily a complete linear calorie burn add-on, in actual life practice.
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A "full stack" of IHOP pancakes starts at 720 calories, and that's before syrup, and doesn't include all the other food items usually ordered along with (eggs, bacon, OJ, etc). Wonderful meal if you have the calories room for it, but for someone trying to stick to 1200 cal diet, the "IHOP day" would guaranteed throw you up over the 2k mark, quite possibly higher depending what else you had that day in other meals.
All that to say that occasional breaks from ultra-low cal plans can be totally reasonable, but if the meal doubles your day by itself, better be aware of it instead of "I'm sure I may have".
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I'm starting to feel some skepticism about the overall situation, TBH. You mention "never been overweight a single day of my life" which suggests to me that you may also not have a lot of experience with planned, intentional weight loss, either.
It's the calories. That's what matters. The food calories, mostly, for most of us, much more than the exercise calories. Are you actually consistently logging your food every day?
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- You've been "gradually cutting out more than recommended guidelines for added sugar". Added sugar is irrelevant unless eating it takes you over a sensible average calorie level.
- "I am sure I've hit 2000 to 2400 some days". If you were logging, you'd know, or darned close to know it. Are you guessing? Eyeballing?
- You "have never stopped working out". For most of us, exercise makes only a small contribution to weight loss. I get that you were active until injury and medications triggered weight gain. The average person doing average exercise burns about 5% of daily calories via intentional exercise. Heavy exercisers might get 10-15%, but not much more than that alongside a normal life with a job, home chores, etc. (Without the exercise, 5% calories adds up surprisingly fast, though - for me, it'd be around 11 pounds gained in a year.)
- You "wouldn't choose to lose weight without" "belgian waffle, whipped cream, and chocolate of course". That's possible, but if you're truly aiming for 1200, belgian waffle isn't going to be frequent or in large portions, because a single waffle with nothing on it is going to take up to 25% of that day's calories, and not deliver a lot of nutrition from those calories. This is similar to noss's point about the IHOP stack.
- Lowering carbs won't do anything more than reduce water weight, unless lowering carbs means fewer calories.
- What's your TDEE, the maintenance calories you say you're eating at 4 days per week? If you said how old you are, I missed it, but if I guessed 30, your TDEE with daily exercise might be in the 2100-2300 range, and the high end of that would be with quite intense exercise daily. If you're eating 1200 3 days, exactly actual maintenance 4 days, your expected weight loss rate even at a TDEE of 2300 would be under a pound a week with perfect accuracy and compliance. (2300-1200 = 1100 calorie deficit; x 3 is 3300; roughly 3500 calories in a pound). If actual TDEE is less than 2300, slower than that. Slow loss can take weeks to show up in weight loss trend lines, amongst routine daily multi-pound fluctuati2300 ons in water retention and digestive waste in transit.
- Whatever your TDEE estimate is for eating at maintenance, where did that estimate come from? Individuals vary from calculator values, even fitness tracker values. It's rare to vary a lot, but it happens. (Long logging experience tells me that MFP and a good fitness tracker are each around 25-30% off for me.)
Given that you mention eating at maintenance 4 days to avoid negative side effects, I'd feel obligated to point out that "a diet" doesn't need to be 1200. If TDEE is 2300 in reality, you'd burn around 16500 calories per week. You can lose a pound a week on average by cutting about 3500 calories from that week any way that works best: Eat 1133 calories 3 days, 2300 4 days; 1857 7 days; nothing one day, 1100 one day, 2300 5 days . . . any variation on that arithmetic is going to get to about the same place averaged over a period of time. Sure, some are easier than others. It doesn't have to be a pound a week, either. Slower is fine, especially with so little to lose. It'll just take longer to see the results on the scale.
You say you'll "work on being more consistent with diet". That's heading down the right line. If you want to get predictable results, then logging consistently and accurately is a good way to go. It's fine to eat at maintenance some days and a deficit other days if that works best for you, but the actual average calorie level needs to fall below actual TDEE in order for weight loss to occur.
The best way to know actual TDEE is to track carefully for a full menstrual cycle if you have those, or 4-6 weeks if you don't, and use your logs plus the actual average weekly weight change to get a personalized estimate of your TDEE.
I'm not trying to be mean here, I'm trying to be clear and honest. Whatever course you choose is totally your call. If that's approximation, that's OK, as long as you're OK with unpredictable results. Calorie counting isn't for everyone, and that's not a diss.
Best wishes!
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@HS7793 It's been a month since your original post.
Nov 4 133 lbs; Nov 5 131lbs; Nov 7 129lbs. —> Those are really dramatic losses over a couple of days.Do you have an update for us? Have you broken your plateau?
What is your weight now?
How do you feel?
Did you implement any changes based on the replies provided?
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I'm also 5'7", but late 40s F. On my wedding day nearly 25 years ago I weighed 147, so that's been my goal these last few years (coming down from an all time high of 238.8 lbs 7 years ago, 217 lbs 13 months ago).
My hubs and other trusted family and friends have taken to saying for the last 6 weeks,"don't lose any more weight." I'm at 155 lbs. They've pointed out, and I can kind of see it too, that I look more fit at 155 now than I did at 147 all those years ago. I train with weights twice a week, run twice, bike three times, swim once (yep, I do triathlons). Back then, I did no weight training and worked out 30 min with an exercise video or jogged 5 days a week.
I 100% get the motivation of reaching a big goal. You may need to hit 125 for the mental boost alone, I don't know. But if you reach it and find yourself angry or crying all the time, with low to no energy, don't be afraid to add a few pounds of muscle back on.
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