So, health really isn't the focus here I take it. Quite disa
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I wasn't being entirel fair to MFP on the whole with this post. I was frustrated by one post in particular. The response to whichvi believe was indicative of unhealthiness being encouraged. No one else seemed to notice or care about someone maintaining 118 pounds, at 5'7, with exercise on lss than 1500 a day . Less than 1500 Calories for maintenance is unheard of for a young individual who exercises. I really shocked me.
My apologies for lashing out at mfp on geneal. That wasn't fair. I will say that this was not an isolated even though...just the first time I was upset enough to respond.
I know what post you are referring to. I have seen some ppl who are tall with unhealthy weights and trying to lose more or maintain at those unhealthy weights. It is not normal for a tall woman to be 120 or less.....its just not. And I have seen others encourage them and set their goals to just as low and they just encourage eachother to get as low as they can before looking like a skeleton.
At 5'7 or higher you should NOT be 120 or less. EVER.
You dont look healthy - you look malnourished, you look like you are starving yourself...even if you do have some muscles. Its sick...and I have seen others encourage it and those are usually ppl with the same unhealthy goals. Granted there are a VERY FEW women in the world who are naturally stick thin - but its not the norm, its not common, and to make yourself one of them when its not natural for you makes you look grossly underweight.0 -
At 5'7 or higher you should NOT be 120 or less. EVER.
Generalizations like this really don't work. From age 16 I was 5'7" and around 100 pounds, and I didn't break 120 for maybe another 8 years. And I ate more than you would believe.0 -
I have been obese all my life, when I was 12 I already weighed 135lbs, when I got married I was 180 then had my 1st child and gained 60ibs. Now I have put my faith in God and trusted HIm to help me get rid of my bad eating habits. I am being told to eat more and I feel if I do I will be over eating for my height. I eat aprox 1200 cal a day sometimes less & walk 3-4 miles a day. Is it true if I would eat more I would lose. I have been on a plateau for 3 weeks now. I had gastric bypass in 1987 and went down to 169 from 280, since then I have been slowly climbing back up. My BMI is 39 and BMR shows 1500 cal, so according to that I guess I should eat at least 1500 cal to feed my body. Our family has never been health conscious so this is all new to me. Hoping you can help me so that I can start losing again even if it is only a pound a week.0
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At 5'7 or higher you should NOT be 120 or less. EVER.
Generalizations like this really don't work. From age 16 I was 5'7" and around 100 pounds, and I didn't break 120 for maybe another 8 years. And I ate more than you would believe.
I agree, there are some people who are just naturally skinny, and I would never tell them that there's no way they are healthy. For most people, I don't advise seeking that out, because if you're not already 5'8, 120, and eating whatever you want, you are not one of these naturally skinny people.
That said, I think weight and BMI are artificially imposed concepts with little to no bearing on actual health. Do you feel good? Really good, not just OK? Can you run a mile without curling up in the fetal position? How fast? Are you comfortable with the way you look? How much can you lift? Will lifting more than that, say at work cause you an injury? How's your flexibility?
Also, this is the internet. And everyone thinks they are right, and the rest are wrong. What probably only 5-10% of people consider is that people are in fact all different, in many ways, and just because something works for you, that doesn't make it the Holy Grail. And just because it didn't, that doesn't make it an awful waste of money invented solely to deceive the huddled masses.
So yes, the general idea of the site is health, but the membership is split on how to accomplish that. And its still the Internet, so, what can you do?0 -
At 5'7 or higher you should NOT be 120 or less. EVER.
Generalizations like this really don't work. From age 16 I was 5'7" and around 100 pounds, and I didn't break 120 for maybe another 8 years. And I ate more than you would believe.
I also said there are VERY FEW women who are naturally thin like that. I wont comment about you being 5'7 and 100 lbs but there are ppl with super high metabolisms...which is why I said there ARE a very few women out there like that. However, given the fact that these ladies are overweight currently and aiming for 120 or less....it is NOT natural for them to be that thin.....The lowest weight for women at 5'7 to even be considered barely healthy is 121. And that is the bottom of the spectrum. In other words...that 1 lb means you are underweight. Given the few exceptions....a tall woman should not aim for losing her weight down to that low. Its not natural for her - its unhealthy for her. Read all I write - not just one part. ALSO, a woman who is maintaining at 120-125 and insisting on losing down to 115....the OP is right - its not healthy to encourage that when she looks healthy and fabulous right where shes at.0 -
Then EDUCATE people instead of complaining!
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This is the post in which the OP is referring to:
I have a bmi of 18.5-18.9 (I think). So I'm healthy. And like many people I probably underestimate my calories. (not by much but It's not like I measure the cream in my coffee). So. no need to attack me- if I have my calories higher I gain because I eat to much and don't feel good. I have plenty of energy. I think everyone is built different, their isn't a one size fits all. Some people have slower metabolisms which actually is not a bad thing (though many people think it is). I use calories more efficiently. And I have been underweight my whole whole life and also a small eater so a bmi of 18.5 is at the high end of what I am used to and I am happy to be there.I average 1,250-1,300. Don't eat back my exercise cals and work out on average 30 or so minutes a day. I figure if it is part of the way I live, why eat back the calories. -I zig zag a ton! My weight has been a stable 118 pounds - 5'7in and I'm happy with that. If I wanted to loose I'd probably eat 1,000-1,200...maybe I have a slow metabolism? But I feel good and am satisfied with how much I eat
I've been counting calories for a very long long time and know that 1,300-1,400 calories I maintain, 1,600 up I gain, 1,000 ish I get smaller.
Considering you're at the LOWEST weight to be considered healthy for your height it's not surprising that you're maintaining on a weight loss amount. 1250-1300 calories is "dieting" for MOST people and should be for you as well but I suspect that this is an unnaturally low weight for your body and it simply isn't losing because you're already at a dangerously low weight/body fat for your height.
Any ways. I'm not at a "dangerously low body weight", every time I go to the docs they say I'm doing great.
( really hope I don't get attacked for this post but If I do ell well.-Just trying to say that I believe people need to listen to their body's-it's ok to eat a little less if that feels right to you...maybe I'm wrong. But if I am you could tell me with out using caps locks...thnxs)
You're doing just fine hun. Keep it up.
I encouraged her because, if you actually read her response, you'd see she came a long way from where she was previously. So, *for her* the 18 point whatever BMI is good *for her* and she shouldn't have to be ridiculed from people who DON'T know her situation or history. Like you said, you've been here for a short while. Perhaps, you'd be better off reading a little more instead of pushing your standards off on others. I mean that in the nicest way possible.0 -
This is the post in which the OP is referring to:
I have a bmi of 18.5-18.9 (I think). So I'm healthy. And like many people I probably underestimate my calories. (not by much but It's not like I measure the cream in my coffee). So. no need to attack me- if I have my calories higher I gain because I eat to much and don't feel good. I have plenty of energy. I think everyone is built different, their isn't a one size fits all. Some people have slower metabolisms which actually is not a bad thing (though many people think it is). I use calories more efficiently. And I have been underweight my whole whole life and also a small eater so a bmi of 18.5 is at the high end of what I am used to and I am happy to be there.I average 1,250-1,300. Don't eat back my exercise cals and work out on average 30 or so minutes a day. I figure if it is part of the way I live, why eat back the calories. -I zig zag a ton! My weight has been a stable 118 pounds - 5'7in and I'm happy with that. If I wanted to loose I'd probably eat 1,000-1,200...maybe I have a slow metabolism? But I feel good and am satisfied with how much I eat I've been counting calories for a very long long time and know that 1,300-1,400 calories I maintain, 1,600 up I gain, 1,000 ish I get smaller.
Considering you're at the LOWEST weight to be considered healthy for your height it's not surprising that you're maintaining on a weight loss amount. 1250-1300 calories is "dieting" for MOST people and should be for you as well but I suspect that this is an unnaturally low weight for your body and it simply isn't losing because you're already at a dangerously low weight/body fat for your height.
Any ways. I'm not at a "dangerously low body weight", every time I go to the docs they say I'm doing great.
( really hope I don't get attacked for this post but If I do ell well.-Just trying to say that I believe people need to listen to their body's-it's ok to eat a little less if that feels right to you...maybe I'm wrong. But if I am you could tell me with out using caps locks...thnxs)
You're doing just fine hun. Keep it up.
I encouraged her because, if you actually read her response, you'd see she came a long way from where she was previously. So, *for her* the 18 point whatever BMI is good *for her* and she shouldn't have to be ridiculed from people who DON'T know her situation or history. Like you said, you've been here for a short while. Perhaps, you'd be better off reading a little more instead of pushing your standards off on others. I mean that in the nicest way possible.
okay, so this person has a BMI of 18.48, technically UNDERweight. She's eating 1300 calories MAX and not eating back her exercise calories. She said this explicitly. She knows from experience that 1000 calories = smaller, so she's done the starvation diet thing. She claims to be underweight her whole life BUT she counts her calories and has done so for a long time? Seems unnaturally underweight to me and attempting to justify it.
Then the response to that is "you're doing fine hun, keep it up"....now how is she doing fine? She's already said she's basically starved herself with 1000 calories a day..."1000 calories and I get smaller." she is borderline underweight. She eats a weight loss amount and doesn't eat back her calories even though she exercises for 30 minutes a day (so burning an extra 200-300 on top of her BMR). How is this okay? She is making no effort of eating how many calories her body requires. Seems like an unhealthy lifestyle to me.0 -
Unfortunately we don't all maintain or lose on the same number of calories, even at the same height and weight. If only it were that simple! I would love to be able to eat what my similar sized friends do, but due to individual factors (including medication I am on) I just can't.
At the end of the day we have to make decisions for ourselves and let others do the same, whatever they may be.0 -
You're wasting your time. It's very hard to communicate with the majority of users in this community. There's a serious lack of common sense going around here.
Ah, I don't think this is true. Most people follow a healthy weightloss programme. But there is certainly a vociferous minority who promote all kinds of nonsense. And there are a worrying number of people with florid eating disorders, and a clear pro-ana group in evidence that it vaguely shocks me isn't dealt with by the mods....0 -
This is the post in which the OP is referring to:
I have a bmi of 18.5-18.9 (I think). So I'm healthy. And like many people I probably underestimate my calories. (not by much but It's not like I measure the cream in my coffee). So. no need to attack me- if I have my calories higher I gain because I eat to much and don't feel good. I have plenty of energy. I think everyone is built different, their isn't a one size fits all. Some people have slower metabolisms which actually is not a bad thing (though many people think it is). I use calories more efficiently. And I have been underweight my whole whole life and also a small eater so a bmi of 18.5 is at the high end of what I am used to and I am happy to be there.I average 1,250-1,300. Don't eat back my exercise cals and work out on average 30 or so minutes a day. I figure if it is part of the way I live, why eat back the calories. -I zig zag a ton! My weight has been a stable 118 pounds - 5'7in and I'm happy with that. If I wanted to loose I'd probably eat 1,000-1,200...maybe I have a slow metabolism? But I feel good and am satisfied with how much I eat I've been counting calories for a very long long time and know that 1,300-1,400 calories I maintain, 1,600 up I gain, 1,000 ish I get smaller.
Considering you're at the LOWEST weight to be considered healthy for your height it's not surprising that you're maintaining on a weight loss amount. 1250-1300 calories is "dieting" for MOST people and should be for you as well but I suspect that this is an unnaturally low weight for your body and it simply isn't losing because you're already at a dangerously low weight/body fat for your height.
Any ways. I'm not at a "dangerously low body weight", every time I go to the docs they say I'm doing great.
( really hope I don't get attacked for this post but If I do ell well.-Just trying to say that I believe people need to listen to their body's-it's ok to eat a little less if that feels right to you...maybe I'm wrong. But if I am you could tell me with out using caps locks...thnxs)
You're doing just fine hun. Keep it up.
I encouraged her because, if you actually read her response, you'd see she came a long way from where she was previously. So, *for her* the 18 point whatever BMI is good *for her* and she shouldn't have to be ridiculed from people who DON'T know her situation or history. Like you said, you've been here for a short while. Perhaps, you'd be better off reading a little more instead of pushing your standards off on others. I mean that in the nicest way possible.
okay, so this person has a BMI of 18.48, technically UNDERweight. She's eating 1300 calories MAX and not eating back her exercise calories. She said this explicitly. She knows from experience that 1000 calories = smaller, so she's done the starvation diet thing. She claims to be underweight her whole life BUT she counts her calories and has done so for a long time? Seems unnaturally underweight to me and attempting to justify it.
Then the response to that is "you're doing fine hun, keep it up"....now how is she doing fine? She's already said she's basically starved herself with 1000 calories a day..."1000 calories and I get smaller." she is borderline underweight. She eats a weight loss amount and doesn't eat back her calories even though she exercises for 30 minutes a day (so burning an extra 200-300 on top of her BMR). How is this okay? She is making no effort of eating how many calories her body requires. Seems like an unhealthy lifestyle to me.
She's doing fine because she's doing better than she was before, and her doctor says she's fine. That's all we need to know. A lot of people here are at different stages of their health/fitness/weight loss journey. Who are you to judge? That fact that she weighs more than she did previously before joining MFP, shows she's doing well! As time goes on, she may decide to increase her cals, but for now, let her move at the pace she and her doctor feels is comfortable.
Take the chip off of your shoulder. If you really wanted to help her, you wouldn't be so preachy about it. I've been here a tad longer than you and for some reason there's been an influx of new members lately who come on here and feel the need to force their way on everyone else. Please worry about yourself and if you want to help, try actually educating, instead of ranting; it'd help get your point across much better.0 -
Ah, I don't think this is true. Most people follow a healthy weightloss programme. But there is certainly a vociferous minority who promote all kinds of nonsense. And there are a worrying number of people with florid eating disorders, and a clear pro-ana group in evidence that it vaguely shocks me isn't dealt with by the mods....
Yes, there's certainly a subset of people who constantly seek validation for eating less than 1200 calories.0 -
And don't get me started on the VLC / HCG nonsense..... That just upsets me!0
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I noticed the same thing. People get 400 calories and everyone says "great job!" I just learned to look past it, it's an uphill battle and ignorance is rampant.0
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Please, enlighten us with your knowledge!!!!0 -
This is the post in which the OP is referring to:
I have a bmi of 18.5-18.9 (I think). So I'm healthy. And like many people I probably underestimate my calories. (not by much but It's not like I measure the cream in my coffee). So. no need to attack me- if I have my calories higher I gain because I eat to much and don't feel good. I have plenty of energy. I think everyone is built different, their isn't a one size fits all. Some people have slower metabolisms which actually is not a bad thing (though many people think it is). I use calories more efficiently. And I have been underweight my whole whole life and also a small eater so a bmi of 18.5 is at the high end of what I am used to and I am happy to be there.I average 1,250-1,300. Don't eat back my exercise cals and work out on average 30 or so minutes a day. I figure if it is part of the way I live, why eat back the calories. -I zig zag a ton! My weight has been a stable 118 pounds - 5'7in and I'm happy with that. If I wanted to loose I'd probably eat 1,000-1,200...maybe I have a slow metabolism? But I feel good and am satisfied with how much I eat I've been counting calories for a very long long time and know that 1,300-1,400 calories I maintain, 1,600 up I gain, 1,000 ish I get smaller.
Considering you're at the LOWEST weight to be considered healthy for your height it's not surprising that you're maintaining on a weight loss amount. 1250-1300 calories is "dieting" for MOST people and should be for you as well but I suspect that this is an unnaturally low weight for your body and it simply isn't losing because you're already at a dangerously low weight/body fat for your height.
Any ways. I'm not at a "dangerously low body weight", every time I go to the docs they say I'm doing great.
( really hope I don't get attacked for this post but If I do ell well.-Just trying to say that I believe people need to listen to their body's-it's ok to eat a little less if that feels right to you...maybe I'm wrong. But if I am you could tell me with out using caps locks...thnxs)
You're doing just fine hun. Keep it up.
I encouraged her because, if you actually read her response, you'd see she came a long way from where she was previously. So, *for her* the 18 point whatever BMI is good *for her* and she shouldn't have to be ridiculed from people who DON'T know her situation or history. Like you said, you've been here for a short while. Perhaps, you'd be better off reading a little more instead of pushing your standards off on others. I mean that in the nicest way possible.
okay, so this person has a BMI of 18.48, technically UNDERweight. She's eating 1300 calories MAX and not eating back her exercise calories. She said this explicitly. She knows from experience that 1000 calories = smaller, so she's done the starvation diet thing. She claims to be underweight her whole life BUT she counts her calories and has done so for a long time? Seems unnaturally underweight to me and attempting to justify it.
Then the response to that is "you're doing fine hun, keep it up"....now how is she doing fine? She's already said she's basically starved herself with 1000 calories a day..."1000 calories and I get smaller." she is borderline underweight. She eats a weight loss amount and doesn't eat back her calories even though she exercises for 30 minutes a day (so burning an extra 200-300 on top of her BMR). How is this okay? She is making no effort of eating how many calories her body requires. Seems like an unhealthy lifestyle to me.
She's doing fine because she's doing better than she was before, and her doctor says she's fine. That's all we need to know. A lot of people here are at different stages of their health/fitness/weight loss journey. Who are you to judge? That fact that she weighs more than she did previously before joining MFP, shows she's doing well! As time goes on, she may decide to increase her cals, but for now, let her move at the pace she and her doctor feels is comfortable.
Take the chip off of your shoulder. If you really wanted to help her, you wouldn't be so preachy about it. I've been here a tad longer than you and for some reason there's been an influx of new members lately who come on here and feel the need to force their way on everyone else. Please worry about yourself and if you want to help, try actually educating, instead of ranting; it'd help get your point across much better.
you are simply unbelievable. I'd be a much happier person if i never had to deal with someone with your attitude ever again. Call it a rant, call it whatever you want. I see you as nothing more than a "veteran" poster who doesn't know 2 s**ts about health/wellness. If you want to promote eating disorders go right ahead, doing better doesn't give her free reign to keep doing that very thing. Eating an apple is better than not eating anything but is an apple enough? Well, I'll just sit here and hope that someday they might add peanut butter. Until then, let's just praise them for eating an apple. Uh, no. Sorry, not helping the person. I'm sorry for FORCING health on people. I didn't realize that encouraging eating disorders was the preferred manner of going about things.0 -
I am maintaining on 1500 cals. I have a BMI of 22.5, right in the middle of healthy. I agree some people on here are aiming to be too thin, but eating 1500 cals a day hasn't anything to do with that.0
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... at some point, you shift from wanting to just LOOK nice to wanting to MOVE nice, and at that point, you realize you need to treat your body the same way as any other athlete - and train and fuel accordingly.
I think this is something that needs to be plastered everywhere!
Every now and then, I've seen someone on here who "wants to be a fitness model" and is doing some starvation type diet to get there. That's just so sad to me.... that "looking" fit is more important than "being" fit.
I don't have a visible 6 pack. But I do have some definition in my abs. My arms aren't cut. But they're strong. I have some jiggle on my thighs. But my legs can power me through six point two miles at 7mph, and I've only been running 10 months. I might not look like a fitness model.... but I'm fit, I'm strong, I'm healthy, and I'm eating pizza right now.
Having only "essential" body fat instead of a "fitness" or "athlete" level body fat isn't going to make me any more fit. It's just going to make me grumpy because I'll miss my beloved pizza.
I'm not saying don't go for it if that's what you want. Just remember that the "look" isn't what's most important. And remember to enjoy the journey.0 -
Then EDUCATE people instead of complaining!
Exactly...and there isn't anything wrong with eating 1200kCal a day as part of a weight loss regime, some people DO need to lose weight and in order to do so are going to need a calorie deficit to achieve that! This website alters the calories required to be consumed in relation to current weight, goal weight, activity level, and rate of weight loss to be achieved i.e 1 or 2lbs a week. It calculates them within healthy limits too. A small woman wouldn't be far off her daily caloric needs minus a small deficit at 1200 kCal... I started at that then slowed the rate of what I was losing and upped it. It encourages you to exercise too. I like to post on health and nutrition on here too. The website also lets you know if you're eating in balance. I.e. carbs/proteins and fats.0 -
MFP works on the idea that netting fewer than 1200 calories is where the trouble starts.
Personally, I go by the 10-calorie rule. Multiply your goal weight by 10 and eat that many calories. 205 would be 2050. 120 would be 1200. 90 = 900, etc. (Men add 600 calories to the end figure.)
You fail to realize that not all of us are of average height or average metabolism.
I've been losing safely at 1200 calories/day since January and my health has never been better! I'm sticking with this number permanently, as my ultimate goal is about 120 lbs. anyway.
Additionally, MFP says to NET 1200+. Anyone NOT eating their exercise calories is on their own (incorrect) interpretation. While incorrect, it may be sustainable and healthy for THEM as there are no hard-and-fast rules since EVERY body is different.
Don't be sad. You just have too strict an idea of what proper nutrition means. It's more fluid than that.
that's neat! I had never heard the 10x rule before. So simple!0 -
regularguy...
graduated summa cum laude: check
worked at a gym for 2+ years: check
worked as a teaching assistant at a top U.S. university in the anatomy and physiology department: check
struggled with and overcame an eating disorder: check
spent copious amounts of time reading/researching health/weight/fitness related issues: check
what are your credentials? Are you struggling with your weight? Please enlighten me.
If you didn't know those 4 pounds are ehhh, take em or leave em. I'd like to lose them but I'm not going to starve myself to do. I don't need this website to lose it.
I simply thought, hey another community to get involved in. Why not ? I don't need your approval of my "credentials." If you think that the girl who posted that she eats 1250-1300 calories a day to maintain a nearly underweight BMI is healthy then please do some reading before you question my "credentials."
Age doesn't bring knowledge...it brings experience, maybe. It doesn't give you more of a right to tell me anything about health/wellness. I've done my research. I know more about human metabolism and physiology than MOST of the people here and I can say that with confidence.
I don't know everything but I work to fill in the gaps and learn from knowledgeable others. That's where my "credentials" come from.0 -
This is the post in which the OP is referring to:
I have a bmi of 18.5-18.9 (I think). So I'm healthy. And like many people I probably underestimate my calories. (not by much but It's not like I measure the cream in my coffee). So. no need to attack me- if I have my calories higher I gain because I eat to much and don't feel good. I have plenty of energy. I think everyone is built different, their isn't a one size fits all. Some people have slower metabolisms which actually is not a bad thing (though many people think it is). I use calories more efficiently. And I have been underweight my whole whole life and also a small eater so a bmi of 18.5 is at the high end of what I am used to and I am happy to be there.I average 1,250-1,300. Don't eat back my exercise cals and work out on average 30 or so minutes a day. I figure if it is part of the way I live, why eat back the calories. -I zig zag a ton! My weight has been a stable 118 pounds - 5'7in and I'm happy with that. If I wanted to loose I'd probably eat 1,000-1,200...maybe I have a slow metabolism? But I feel good and am satisfied with how much I eat I've been counting calories for a very long long time and know that 1,300-1,400 calories I maintain, 1,600 up I gain, 1,000 ish I get smaller.
Considering you're at the LOWEST weight to be considered healthy for your height it's not surprising that you're maintaining on a weight loss amount. 1250-1300 calories is "dieting" for MOST people and should be for you as well but I suspect that this is an unnaturally low weight for your body and it simply isn't losing because you're already at a dangerously low weight/body fat for your height.
Any ways. I'm not at a "dangerously low body weight", every time I go to the docs they say I'm doing great.
( really hope I don't get attacked for this post but If I do ell well.-Just trying to say that I believe people need to listen to their body's-it's ok to eat a little less if that feels right to you...maybe I'm wrong. But if I am you could tell me with out using caps locks...thnxs)
You're doing just fine hun. Keep it up.
I encouraged her because, if you actually read her response, you'd see she came a long way from where she was previously. So, *for her* the 18 point whatever BMI is good *for her* and she shouldn't have to be ridiculed from people who DON'T know her situation or history. Like you said, you've been here for a short while. Perhaps, you'd be better off reading a little more instead of pushing your standards off on others. I mean that in the nicest way possible.
okay, so this person has a BMI of 18.48, technically UNDERweight. She's eating 1300 calories MAX and not eating back her exercise calories. She said this explicitly. She knows from experience that 1000 calories = smaller, so she's done the starvation diet thing. She claims to be underweight her whole life BUT she counts her calories and has done so for a long time? Seems unnaturally underweight to me and attempting to justify it.
Then the response to that is "you're doing fine hun, keep it up"....now how is she doing fine? She's already said she's basically starved herself with 1000 calories a day..."1000 calories and I get smaller." she is borderline underweight. She eats a weight loss amount and doesn't eat back her calories even though she exercises for 30 minutes a day (so burning an extra 200-300 on top of her BMR). How is this okay? She is making no effort of eating how many calories her body requires. Seems like an unhealthy lifestyle to me.
She's doing fine because she's doing better than she was before, and her doctor says she's fine. That's all we need to know. A lot of people here are at different stages of their health/fitness/weight loss journey. Who are you to judge? That fact that she weighs more than she did previously before joining MFP, shows she's doing well! As time goes on, she may decide to increase her cals, but for now, let her move at the pace she and her doctor feels is comfortable.
Take the chip off of your shoulder. If you really wanted to help her, you wouldn't be so preachy about it. I've been here a tad longer than you and for some reason there's been an influx of new members lately who come on here and feel the need to force their way on everyone else. Please worry about yourself and if you want to help, try actually educating, instead of ranting; it'd help get your point across much better.
you are simply unbelievable. I'd be a much happier person if i never had to deal with someone with your attitude ever again. Call it a rant, call it whatever you want. I see you as nothing more than a "veteran" poster who doesn't know 2 s**ts about health/wellness. If you want to promote eating disorders go right ahead, doing better doesn't give her free reign to keep doing that very thing. Eating an apple is better than not eating anything but is an apple enough? Well, I'll just sit here and hope that someday they might add peanut butter. Until then, let's just praise them for eating an apple. Uh, no. Sorry, not helping the person. I'm sorry for FORCING health on people. I didn't realize that encouraging eating disorders was the preferred manner of going about things.
No need to take that tone and start swearing. I'm now done engaging you. Take care.0 -
This is the post in which the OP is referring to:
I have a bmi of 18.5-18.9 (I think). So I'm healthy. And like many people I probably underestimate my calories. (not by much but It's not like I measure the cream in my coffee). So. no need to attack me- if I have my calories higher I gain because I eat to much and don't feel good. I have plenty of energy. I think everyone is built different, their isn't a one size fits all. Some people have slower metabolisms which actually is not a bad thing (though many people think it is). I use calories more efficiently. And I have been underweight my whole whole life and also a small eater so a bmi of 18.5 is at the high end of what I am used to and I am happy to be there.I average 1,250-1,300. Don't eat back my exercise cals and work out on average 30 or so minutes a day. I figure if it is part of the way I live, why eat back the calories. -I zig zag a ton! My weight has been a stable 118 pounds - 5'7in and I'm happy with that. If I wanted to loose I'd probably eat 1,000-1,200...maybe I have a slow metabolism? But I feel good and am satisfied with how much I eat I've been counting calories for a very long long time and know that 1,300-1,400 calories I maintain, 1,600 up I gain, 1,000 ish I get smaller.
Considering you're at the LOWEST weight to be considered healthy for your height it's not surprising that you're maintaining on a weight loss amount. 1250-1300 calories is "dieting" for MOST people and should be for you as well but I suspect that this is an unnaturally low weight for your body and it simply isn't losing because you're already at a dangerously low weight/body fat for your height.
Any ways. I'm not at a "dangerously low body weight", every time I go to the docs they say I'm doing great.
( really hope I don't get attacked for this post but If I do ell well.-Just trying to say that I believe people need to listen to their body's-it's ok to eat a little less if that feels right to you...maybe I'm wrong. But if I am you could tell me with out using caps locks...thnxs)
You're doing just fine hun. Keep it up.
I encouraged her because, if you actually read her response, you'd see she came a long way from where she was previously. So, *for her* the 18 point whatever BMI is good *for her* and she shouldn't have to be ridiculed from people who DON'T know her situation or history. Like you said, you've been here for a short while. Perhaps, you'd be better off reading a little more instead of pushing your standards off on others. I mean that in the nicest way possible.
okay, so this person has a BMI of 18.48, technically UNDERweight. She's eating 1300 calories MAX and not eating back her exercise calories. She said this explicitly. She knows from experience that 1000 calories = smaller, so she's done the starvation diet thing. She claims to be underweight her whole life BUT she counts her calories and has done so for a long time? Seems unnaturally underweight to me and attempting to justify it.
Then the response to that is "you're doing fine hun, keep it up"....now how is she doing fine? She's already said she's basically starved herself with 1000 calories a day..."1000 calories and I get smaller." she is borderline underweight. She eats a weight loss amount and doesn't eat back her calories even though she exercises for 30 minutes a day (so burning an extra 200-300 on top of her BMR). How is this okay? She is making no effort of eating how many calories her body requires. Seems like an unhealthy lifestyle to me.
She's doing fine because she's doing better than she was before, and her doctor says she's fine. That's all we need to know. A lot of people here are at different stages of their health/fitness/weight loss journey. Who are you to judge? That fact that she weighs more than she did previously before joining MFP, shows she's doing well! As time goes on, she may decide to increase her cals, but for now, let her move at the pace she and her doctor feels is comfortable.
Take the chip off of your shoulder. If you really wanted to help her, you wouldn't be so preachy about it. I've been here a tad longer than you and for some reason there's been an influx of new members lately who come on here and feel the need to force their way on everyone else. Please worry about yourself and if you want to help, try actually educating, instead of ranting; it'd help get your point across much better.
you are simply unbelievable. I'd be a much happier person if i never had to deal with someone with your attitude ever again. Call it a rant, call it whatever you want. I see you as nothing more than a "veteran" poster who doesn't know 2 s**ts about health/wellness. If you want to promote eating disorders go right ahead, doing better doesn't give her free reign to keep doing that very thing. Eating an apple is better than not eating anything but is an apple enough? Well, I'll just sit here and hope that someday they might add peanut butter. Until then, let's just praise them for eating an apple. Uh, no. Sorry, not helping the person. I'm sorry for FORCING health on people. I didn't realize that encouraging eating disorders was the preferred manner of going about things.
So you a random stranger who knows nothing about this girls situation or physical health on the internet knows better than the Doctor the girl goes to see. Interesting.0 -
she posted the bit about the doctor AFTER i already pointed out her very low weight and low calorie intake. i was making an observation based on the limited information she provided. I didn't say I knew better than her doctor.
regardless, the point is still valid. Other people have also observed unhealthy behaviors being encourage and/or applauded.0 -
This is the post in which the OP is referring to:
I have a bmi of 18.5-18.9 (I think). So I'm healthy. And like many people I probably underestimate my calories. (not by much but It's not like I measure the cream in my coffee). So. no need to attack me- if I have my calories higher I gain because I eat to much and don't feel good. I have plenty of energy. I think everyone is built different, their isn't a one size fits all. Some people have slower metabolisms which actually is not a bad thing (though many people think it is). I use calories more efficiently. And I have been underweight my whole whole life and also a small eater so a bmi of 18.5 is at the high end of what I am used to and I am happy to be there.I average 1,250-1,300. Don't eat back my exercise cals and work out on average 30 or so minutes a day. I figure if it is part of the way I live, why eat back the calories. -I zig zag a ton! My weight has been a stable 118 pounds - 5'7in and I'm happy with that. If I wanted to loose I'd probably eat 1,000-1,200...maybe I have a slow metabolism? But I feel good and am satisfied with how much I eat I've been counting calories for a very long long time and know that 1,300-1,400 calories I maintain, 1,600 up I gain, 1,000 ish I get smaller.
Considering you're at the LOWEST weight to be considered healthy for your height it's not surprising that you're maintaining on a weight loss amount. 1250-1300 calories is "dieting" for MOST people and should be for you as well but I suspect that this is an unnaturally low weight for your body and it simply isn't losing because you're already at a dangerously low weight/body fat for your height.
Any ways. I'm not at a "dangerously low body weight", every time I go to the docs they say I'm doing great.
( really hope I don't get attacked for this post but If I do ell well.-Just trying to say that I believe people need to listen to their body's-it's ok to eat a little less if that feels right to you...maybe I'm wrong. But if I am you could tell me with out using caps locks...thnxs)
You're doing just fine hun. Keep it up.
I encouraged her because, if you actually read her response, you'd see she came a long way from where she was previously. So, *for her* the 18 point whatever BMI is good *for her* and she shouldn't have to be ridiculed from people who DON'T know her situation or history. Like you said, you've been here for a short while. Perhaps, you'd be better off reading a little more instead of pushing your standards off on others. I mean that in the nicest way possible.
okay, so this person has a BMI of 18.48, technically UNDERweight. She's eating 1300 calories MAX and not eating back her exercise calories. She said this explicitly. She knows from experience that 1000 calories = smaller, so she's done the starvation diet thing. She claims to be underweight her whole life BUT she counts her calories and has done so for a long time? Seems unnaturally underweight to me and attempting to justify it.
Then the response to that is "you're doing fine hun, keep it up"....now how is she doing fine? She's already said she's basically starved herself with 1000 calories a day..."1000 calories and I get smaller." she is borderline underweight. She eats a weight loss amount and doesn't eat back her calories even though she exercises for 30 minutes a day (so burning an extra 200-300 on top of her BMR). How is this okay? She is making no effort of eating how many calories her body requires. Seems like an unhealthy lifestyle to me.
She's doing fine because she's doing better than she was before, and her doctor says she's fine. That's all we need to know. A lot of people here are at different stages of their health/fitness/weight loss journey. Who are you to judge? That fact that she weighs more than she did previously before joining MFP, shows she's doing well! As time goes on, she may decide to increase her cals, but for now, let her move at the pace she and her doctor feels is comfortable.
Take the chip off of your shoulder. If you really wanted to help her, you wouldn't be so preachy about it. I've been here a tad longer than you and for some reason there's been an influx of new members lately who come on here and feel the need to force their way on everyone else. Please worry about yourself and if you want to help, try actually educating, instead of ranting; it'd help get your point across much better.
you are simply unbelievable. I'd be a much happier person if i never had to deal with someone with your attitude ever again. Call it a rant, call it whatever you want. I see you as nothing more than a "veteran" poster who doesn't know 2 s**ts about health/wellness. If you want to promote eating disorders go right ahead, doing better doesn't give her free reign to keep doing that very thing. Eating an apple is better than not eating anything but is an apple enough? Well, I'll just sit here and hope that someday they might add peanut butter. Until then, let's just praise them for eating an apple. Uh, no. Sorry, not helping the person. I'm sorry for FORCING health on people. I didn't realize that encouraging eating disorders was the preferred manner of going about things.
No need to take that tone and start swearing. I'm now done engaging you. Take care.
Yeah, you know, she didn't swear. She quite deliberately *didn't* swear.0 -
she posted the bit about the doctor AFTER i already pointed out her very low weight and low calorie intake. i was making an observation based on the limited information she provided. I didn't say I knew better than her doctor.
regardless, the point is still valid. Other people have also observed unhealthy behaviors being encourage and/or applauded.
Welcome to the internet. It happens.
I would suggest from this point forward instead of attacking the whole community over a few threads that you go into the threads and offer advice to the contrary.0 -
she posted the bit about the doctor AFTER i already pointed out her very low weight and low calorie intake. i was making an observation based on the limited information she provided. I didn't say I knew better than her doctor.
regardless, the point is still valid. Other people have also observed unhealthy behaviors being encourage and/or applauded.
Welcome to the internet. It happens.
I would suggest from this point forward instead of attacking the whole community over a few threads that you go into the threads and offer advice to the contrary.
good suggestion you live and learn. my fault. 0 -
This is the post in which the OP is referring to:
I have a bmi of 18.5-18.9 (I think). So I'm healthy. And like many people I probably underestimate my calories. (not by much but It's not like I measure the cream in my coffee). So. no need to attack me- if I have my calories higher I gain because I eat to much and don't feel good. I have plenty of energy. I think everyone is built different, their isn't a one size fits all. Some people have slower metabolisms which actually is not a bad thing (though many people think it is). I use calories more efficiently. And I have been underweight my whole whole life and also a small eater so a bmi of 18.5 is at the high end of what I am used to and I am happy to be there.I average 1,250-1,300. Don't eat back my exercise cals and work out on average 30 or so minutes a day. I figure if it is part of the way I live, why eat back the calories. -I zig zag a ton! My weight has been a stable 118 pounds - 5'7in and I'm happy with that. If I wanted to loose I'd probably eat 1,000-1,200...maybe I have a slow metabolism? But I feel good and am satisfied with how much I eat I've been counting calories for a very long long time and know that 1,300-1,400 calories I maintain, 1,600 up I gain, 1,000 ish I get smaller.
Considering you're at the LOWEST weight to be considered healthy for your height it's not surprising that you're maintaining on a weight loss amount. 1250-1300 calories is "dieting" for MOST people and should be for you as well but I suspect that this is an unnaturally low weight for your body and it simply isn't losing because you're already at a dangerously low weight/body fat for your height.
Any ways. I'm not at a "dangerously low body weight", every time I go to the docs they say I'm doing great.
( really hope I don't get attacked for this post but If I do ell well.-Just trying to say that I believe people need to listen to their body's-it's ok to eat a little less if that feels right to you...maybe I'm wrong. But if I am you could tell me with out using caps locks...thnxs)
You're doing just fine hun. Keep it up.
I encouraged her because, if you actually read her response, you'd see she came a long way from where she was previously. So, *for her* the 18 point whatever BMI is good *for her* and she shouldn't have to be ridiculed from people who DON'T know her situation or history. Like you said, you've been here for a short while. Perhaps, you'd be better off reading a little more instead of pushing your standards off on others. I mean that in the nicest way possible.
okay, so this person has a BMI of 18.48, technically UNDERweight. She's eating 1300 calories MAX and not eating back her exercise calories. She said this explicitly. She knows from experience that 1000 calories = smaller, so she's done the starvation diet thing. She claims to be underweight her whole life BUT she counts her calories and has done so for a long time? Seems unnaturally underweight to me and attempting to justify it.
Then the response to that is "you're doing fine hun, keep it up"....now how is she doing fine? She's already said she's basically starved herself with 1000 calories a day..."1000 calories and I get smaller." she is borderline underweight. She eats a weight loss amount and doesn't eat back her calories even though she exercises for 30 minutes a day (so burning an extra 200-300 on top of her BMR). How is this okay? She is making no effort of eating how many calories her body requires. Seems like an unhealthy lifestyle to me.
I've read this whole thread, and I have to agree that people telling this girl that she's doing fine eating 1000 calories a day and not eating back her exercise calories (meaning she's only NETTING about 700-800 calories a day) is bad advice. She's not technically anorexic, but encouraging this behavior could lead to that. Her BMI is at the upper end of UNDERweight, which means it would only take a gain of a few pounds to be back in the healthy range. Anorexics are in danger of organ failure due to insufficient fuel to keep those organs functioning. My niece went through a time a couple of years ago where she developed a phobia of swallowing. She was terrified she would choke to death if she swallowed food. She ended up in the hospital working with a psychologist. The insurance paid for it because after only a few weeks of this, she was dangerously malnourished. They had to do some intense work with her to get her over her fear. Thankfully, she did conquer it and is back to a healthy weight now, but if she hadn't, she could have eventually died from it. Being seriously underweight can be just as dangerous to your health as being obese; the health issues each causes may be different, but the end result can be the same.
I don't question the motives of the OP; I think she was genuinely concerned. If she wasn't, she wouldn't have bothered to post in the first place. She also stated that she works with people with eating disorders, and I'm sure it's very frustrating to her to see people giving unhealthy advice because she sees the aftereffects of that unhealthy advice.
I did some BMI calculations, and my ideal weight range is between 107 and 145. 107 is completely unrealistic for me. I'm aiming for 135-140, allowing for some slight fluctuations in weight while still remaining in the healthy range. If I get to 140 and I feel like I need to lose a little more, I'll address that then. But I have a feeling after a lifetime of being 50-70 pounds overweight, I will be thrilled with 140! I'm sure I'll have to experiment at that time with what my maintenance intake will be, but hopefully by then I will have developed a habit of healthier eating and I won't have to count every bite I put in my mouth. I'm hoping maintenance will be about 1800 or so. I'll always have to watch sugar and carbs due to my PCOS, but hopefully I will be able to eat what I want to, within reason, and not have to stress about it.
OP, I know you've kind of been slammed for expressing your thoughts, but I appreciate it. I've not really run into anyone such as the person you mentioned (must be reading the wrong threads), but those folks are walking a dangerous path and they need someone to tell them the truth. Don't stop doing that, even when people slam you. It's like the people pushing the HCG diet...yikes! I always speak up about that one because it seems SO dangerous. If they don't like me for it, so be it.0 -
Seriously, my diet is living proof that I eat what I want. It depends on the person.0
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regularguy...
graduated summa cum laude: check
worked at a gym for 2+ years: check
worked as a teaching assistant at a top U.S. university in the anatomy and physiology department: check
struggled with and overcame an eating disorder: check
spent copious amounts of time reading/researching health/weight/fitness related issues: check
what are your credentials? Are you struggling with your weight? Please enlighten me.
If you didn't know those 4 pounds are ehhh, take em or leave em. I'd like to lose them but I'm not going to starve myself to do. I don't need this website to lose it.
I simply thought, hey another community to get involved in. Why not ? I don't need your approval of my "credentials." If you think that the girl who posted that she eats 1250-1300 calories a day to maintain a nearly underweight BMI is healthy then please do some reading before you question my "credentials."
Age doesn't bring knowledge...it brings experience, maybe. It doesn't give you more of a right to tell me anything about health/wellness. I've done my research. I know more about human metabolism and physiology than MOST of the people here and I can say that with confidence.
I don't know everything but I work to fill in the gaps and learn from knowledgeable others. That's where my "credentials" come from.
Did anyone here ASK for your advice? You come off as a pompous, know-it-all bi***. If you want to share your nuggets of wisdom, maybe post here for a while in a helpful manner not as a young, new member who thinks she can school people here.0
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