What is considered low carb???

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  • 4theking
    4theking Posts: 1,196 Member
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    It depends on your caloric goal but I always consider under 150gms for me at 1800 calories........so if you were eating 1200 calories closer to 100gms.
  • digitalsteel
    digitalsteel Posts: 374 Member
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    I'd be happy to share my input for any specific questions. I've spent quite a few years studying nutrition, and have over a decade of experience in chemistry, physics and biology.
  • mckant
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    It depends on your caloric goal but I always consider under 150gms for me at 1800 calories........so if you were eating 1200 calories closer to 100gms.

    I try to stick to approximately 100 but even just getting that from fresh/raw veggies, yogurt, & a little bit of fruit seems tough (that's not my entire diet but just where I get most of my carbs from). How the heck do you do it?! :laugh: Personally, I find that doing it this way helps my stomach appear flatter and not as "poofy" or "pouchy" so I really would be interested to hear how you stick to that. Thanks!
  • Princessa1982
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    I'd be happy to share my input for any specific questions. I've spent quite a few years studying nutrition, and have over a decade of experience in chemistry, physics and biology.

    I guess, I really have no clue where to start asking, because i do not know the differences between good carbs, bad carbs, or if there is even a difference. Feel free to look at my food diary, any suggestions would be great!
  • singer201
    singer201 Posts: 560 Member
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    Check out marksdailyapple.com for one guideline for lower carb eating (Primal Blueprint).

    I keep my carbs <100 g/day no matter what my calorie limit, follow MFP's calorie recommendations (at first 1.5-2 lb. loss per week, now 0.5 lb. loss per week), and eat my exercise calories. The weight started coming off right away and is still coming off steadily, though more slowly now that I'm nearing goal weight. It's taken 8 months to lose 64 lbs., but I haven't really had a plateau.
  • digitalsteel
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    A good carb is one that does not raise your insulin. So, as an example, fiber is a carb that does not raise your insulin. Technicaly speaking, any carbohydrate molecule that is too big to fit through your cell walls will be fine. This is the principal artificial sweeteners use to be sweet, yet not cause problems for diabetics. In reality, the number of carbs needed by the human body are zero. You can survive a long and healthy life without any of them. I know that seems like a radical statement, but you don't have to take my word for it, the science is out there. That being said, there are benefits to including certain ones found in leaf vegetables.
  • MikeSEA
    MikeSEA Posts: 1,074 Member
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    Even radically low carb diets don't recommend "no carb." They just substitute some carbs for others, and overall lower the amount. Yes technically your body doesn't need carbs in the same way as it does other nutrients, but suggesting that one would live a long and healthy life with no carbs is a little disingenuous and presumes a lot about an individual.
  • audradanielle
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    Whenever I feel like I want to cut a few carbs, I usually just limit my carb intake. Eating carbs for breakfast or lunch only helps.
  • digitalsteel
    digitalsteel Posts: 374 Member
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    Even radically low carb diets don't recommend "no carb." They just substitute some carbs for others, and overall lower the amount. Yes technically your body doesn't need carbs in the same way as it does other nutrients, but suggesting that one would live a long and healthy life with no carbs is a little disingenuous and presumes a lot about an individual.

    You'd be surprised, feel free to follow whatever rules you feel will be healthy. However this is what studies show. Most of the recent "shedding of light" on this topic is proving to unravel what I already have. Just take a look, its in a book ;) actually several.
  • MikeSEA
    MikeSEA Posts: 1,074 Member
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    Even radically low carb diets don't recommend "no carb." They just substitute some carbs for others, and overall lower the amount. Yes technically your body doesn't need carbs in the same way as it does other nutrients, but suggesting that one would live a long and healthy life with no carbs is a little disingenuous and presumes a lot about an individual.

    You'd be surprised, feel free to follow whatever rules you feel will be healthy. However this is what studies show. Most of the recent "shedding of light" on this topic is proving to unravel what I already have. Just take a look, its in a book ;) actually several.

    As a point of clarification, were you suggesting that any information is valid because it calls itself a "study" or manages to get published?
  • digitalsteel
    digitalsteel Posts: 374 Member
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    Even radically low carb diets don't recommend "no carb." They just substitute some carbs for others, and overall lower the amount. Yes technically your body doesn't need carbs in the same way as it does other nutrients, but suggesting that one would live a long and healthy life with no carbs is a little disingenuous and presumes a lot about an individual.

    You'd be surprised, feel free to follow whatever rules you feel will be healthy. However this is what studies show. Most of the recent "shedding of light" on this topic is proving to unravel what I already have. Just take a look, its in a book ;) actually several.

    As a point of clarification, were you suggesting that any information is valid because it calls itself a "study" or manages to get published?

    No, I understand your ideal, but I am not your typical "poser" poster. Like I said, the information is out there. Feel free to go over it yourself, you sound like you should be able to tell the difference.
  • MikeSEA
    MikeSEA Posts: 1,074 Member
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    No, I understand your ideal, but I am not your typical "poser" poster. Like I said, the information is out there. Feel free to go over it yourself, you sound like you should be able to tell the difference.

    Well, thanks, I suppose? :)

    I guess my point is that the information I've read that even remotely comes close to what you're suggesting amounts to very poor science with questionable conclusions and sloppy methodology. Soooo...if you have something you'd like to share that isn't published by someone with a book or brand to sell, I'm all ears.
  • digitalsteel
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    I don't know if this will be of help, but these are the journals I have read, I originally lumped them all together for someone else.

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  • MikeSEA
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    I'm sorry, is a wall of text lacking any contextual analysis supposed to signify something other than you can use a search function?
  • Grokette
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    A good carb is one that does not raise your insulin. So, as an example, fiber is a carb that does not raise your insulin. Technicaly speaking, any carbohydrate molecule that is too big to fit through your cell walls will be fine. This is the principal artificial sweeteners use to be sweet, yet not cause problems for diabetics. In reality, the number of carbs needed by the human body are zero. You can survive a long and healthy life without any of them. I know that seems like a radical statement, but you don't have to take my word for it, the science is out there. That being said, there are benefits to including certain ones found in leaf vegetables.

    :drinker: :flowerforyou: :love:
  • HonkyTonks
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    Good question! I like to think I am mostly low carb (I don't eat pasta rice potatoes etc) but I have read the atkins diet recommends about 50grams of carbs a day. I seem to average about 100! I don't know if I should be reducing my carbs, it just seems in order to do that I'd need to exclude some of the fruit & veg I am eating, and also milk (which would mean I'd have to give up coffee, which I'd find really really hard to do).
  • LowCarbForLife
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    I don't think there is any general consensus, even among the various low carb diet proponents, about what exactly is the cut off which make a diet "low carb". Many low carb diets start with an introductory period where you keep carbs at approximately 20 grams/day or less. You can then gradually move to higher levels according to what your metabolism can support. I think for most people 100 grams/day of CHO, which is 400 calories or about 25%of a 1600 calorie/day diet is still considered low carb.

    I think equally important to the question of how many carbs you consume is the issue of the type of carbs you eat. Eating carbs like sugars and many starches which quickly raise your blood sugar and in turn cause insulin spikes is much worse for you, imo, than eating carbs in the form of green vegetables. For example, you can eat a huge amount of avocados, artichokes, and asparagus and not generate nearly the same level of insulin response as when eating a proportionally much smaller amount of white bread. </$.02>
  • digitalsteel
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    I'm sorry, is a wall of text lacking any contextual analysis supposed to signify something other than you can use a search function?

    Wow, you really are not at the level I was expecting. How can you argue anything without understanding ALL the information. If I flip a coin 100 times, and withhold the answer half the time, I can convince you I have a coin with 2 heads. You need to be much better than that.
  • MikeSEA
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    I'm sorry, is a wall of text lacking any contextual analysis supposed to signify something other than you can use a search function?

    Wow, you really are not at the level I was expecting. How can you argue anything without understanding ALL the information. If I flip a coin 100 times, and withhold the answer half the time, I can convince you I have a coin with 2 heads. You need to be much better than that.

    You haven't presented any relevant sources of information yet. Quite frankly, given the formatting, I highly doubt you compiled that list yourself.

    Have fun selling snake oil to the public, skippy.
  • LowCarbForLife
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    Even radically low carb diets don't recommend "no carb." They just substitute some carbs for others, and overall lower the amount. Yes technically your body doesn't need carbs in the same way as it does other nutrients, but suggesting that one would live a long and healthy life with no carbs is a little disingenuous and presumes a lot about an individual.

    Just as a point of clarification there is a pretty large and active group of zero carb dieters out there. If you check some of the low carb forums like lowcarber.org you'll find plenty of them (look for M Levac). The ones I've interacted with are perfectly happy with their WOE. I believe that you would be making a poor assumption to think that they have not studied the relevant research and understand the science of their diet choice.

    I personally would not choose to go zero carb, but since your body has no physiological need for carbs is it definitely possible and many people do make that choice. I try to keep my carb total in the 20 to 100 gram range per day but typically it is in the lower end of the range.

    Please feel free to now resume the p*ssing match with the other fellow.
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