Help With a Research Paper on Fad Diets
sxy4suma
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Hi Everyone... Before I ask my question please let me say I know this is a very "hot" topic on here and I am not looking for a debate on weather it is healthy, safe, sustainable, able to maintain or even if it is pee. AND YES I USED THE SEARCH!!!
You guessed it I have an HCG question. I am not looking to take it I just want to hear the opionion of a few people.
MY QUESTION ---
If the weight loss is from the 500 calorie diet alone how do people lose so much weight so fast? From what I have learned
1 pound equals 3500 calories right? Many people claim to have lost 7-10 pounds in one week. So erring on the safe side lets say 7 pounds is a 24,500 calorie defficet. If I do the BMR calculations on a 30 year old female that weights 200 pounds her BMR is around 1400 a day so that is 9,800 calories in a week minus the 3500 they eat makes it a 6,300 calorie defficet. That is not even 2 pounds a week.
So the calorie in calorie out buffs please help me understand this. My calculations may be off I just want to know what I am talking about when I write about this diet.
Please keep it friendly and informative I really need help!!!
P.S. Sorry I couldn't spell check I am an awful speller!!!
You guessed it I have an HCG question. I am not looking to take it I just want to hear the opionion of a few people.
MY QUESTION ---
If the weight loss is from the 500 calorie diet alone how do people lose so much weight so fast? From what I have learned
1 pound equals 3500 calories right? Many people claim to have lost 7-10 pounds in one week. So erring on the safe side lets say 7 pounds is a 24,500 calorie defficet. If I do the BMR calculations on a 30 year old female that weights 200 pounds her BMR is around 1400 a day so that is 9,800 calories in a week minus the 3500 they eat makes it a 6,300 calorie defficet. That is not even 2 pounds a week.
So the calorie in calorie out buffs please help me understand this. My calculations may be off I just want to know what I am talking about when I write about this diet.
Please keep it friendly and informative I really need help!!!
P.S. Sorry I couldn't spell check I am an awful speller!!!
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Water weight would be my guess, if you're talking about the first week.0
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I thought about that too. And it does seem to be the first week people lose the most. I would guess that would be a big contributer. But when you look at the full cycle people have lost 30+ pounds in 40 days that can't be all water AND if you are supposed to drink 2 litters of water wouldn't that replace it? I have also thought well muscle weighs more than fat maybe it is muscle weight but I would immagin that to be A LOT of muscle by the end of a cycle... What do you think?
I am guniuinly curious and unedgucated on the subject so please don't take it as a debate as much as curiosity.0 -
Assuming they actually have some energy, they could be exercising as well, which would up their caloric deficit.0
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Assuming they actually have some energy, they could be exercising as well, which would up their caloric deficit.
Thats an interesting thought. Although they are not supposed to I guess they could. But if the defficet difference is like 18,200 calories thats a lot of exercise in a week.
You guys are awesome by the way!!! Thanks for the help... Keep it coming please.0 -
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I guess I should have put HCG in the topic... Not getting many answers...0
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BUMP!!! Cause I wana know too!!!0
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BMR isn't 'how much an average person would burn in a day with normal activity,' it's 'how much would be burned if that person was essentially in a coma.' Your estimation of how much an average person would burn in an average day is off, thus throwing off the rest of your calculations.0
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If a person was in a coma wouldn't the burn less than someone not in a coma? That being said wouldn't it just make the difference higher?0
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I haven't done HcG so I can't answer your questions, but you probably need to go back and research the BMR for your sample made-up person. Its highly doubtful that a 30 year old weighing 200 pounds has a BMR as low as 1400 calories per day. It would be very shocking if that was the case.
anyway, good luck on your paper. I would recommend using "whether" instead of "weather", however.0 -
I hadn't thought about it that way. Perhaps the real world enters into this. For the same reason a person could eat right, exercise, burn more calories than they ate and then gain weight.
At the beginning it is probably a lot of water weight.
They are also probably losing muscle too.
You also have to keep in mind these people are overweight, so their body burns more calories just to maintain, so the calculations are going to be all askew. A person that weighs 300 lbs is going to need more calories to sustain, than a person who weighs 150lbs. If they both start consuming the same number of calories then the one that weighs more with lose more. Their daily activities are different.
Their body is going to react differently due to the shock factor too. (Their bodies have go to be in shock with that low of eating.) Some bodies will fight it some with thrive.
Unless you have a body bugg with them all in a completely controled environment you are going to get more variables, than you know what to do with. Gender, age, weight, muscle mass, all of these things will alter the outcome.
Good luck on your paper. I don't know what angle you are going for, but best wishes anyway.0 -
If a person was in a coma wouldn't the burn less than someone not in a coma? That being said wouldn't it just make the difference higher?
Yes. Say, for example, this made up person with the BMR of 1400. This person also goes to the store, cleans house, walks the dog, makes dinner, etc. Overall, let's estimate 2000 cals burned. Over a weeks time, that's another 4200 cals not eaten in your calculations. Also, dlaplume makes some good points as well. There are so many factors involved.0 -
Thank you hmalin and dlaplume2. Both good points. Without a controlled enviornment it is hard to know all the veriables I was just hoping to get an idea. As far as my angle it strictly a research paper so I have no opinion on WHEATHER it is a good or bad thing.0
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Have you read Dr. Simeon's original book about the HCG protocol, "Pounds and Inches"? He explains that the hcg helps us to burn our abnormal fat stores that we already have in our body. Look at men who aren't on hcg or anything, they go on a diet and bam, lose faster than women and we attribute it to the fact that they have more muscle mass so the muscle helps them burn fat. I think the hcg must be working in somewhat the same way.
I'm about to finish my 3rd round of HCG since May, have lost a net of 55 lbs and feel great and am eating so healthily. I can't explain HOW it works. I just know that it does.0 -
Have you read Dr. Simeon's original book about the HCG protocol, "Pounds and Inches"? He explains that the hcg helps us to burn our abnormal fat stores that we already have in our body. Look at men who aren't on hcg or anything, they go on a diet and bam, lose faster than women and we attribute it to the fact that they have more muscle mass so the muscle helps them burn fat. I think the hcg must be working in somewhat the same way.
I'm about to finish my 3rd round of HCG since May, have lost a net of 55 lbs and feel great and am eating so healthily. I can't explain HOW it works. I just know that it does.
There isn't a shred of peer-reviewed science to support that HGC does a thing to promote weight loss, and plenty to show that it doesn't do a thing.0 -
He explains that the hcg helps us to burn our abnormal fat stores that we already have in our body. Look at men who aren't on hcg or anything, they go on a diet and0
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Thank you hmalin and dlaplume2. Both good points. Without a controlled enviornment it is hard to know all the veriables I was just hoping to get an idea. As far as my angle it strictly a research paper so I have no opinion on WHEATHER it is a good or bad thing.
I'm sorry I didn't mean to imply any secret angle. I meant as to what angle you were looking at as far as technical medical aspects, societies opinion on fad diets, whether or not there is an scientific evidence that they work or not, maybe the placebo aspect of whether the results are real or just optomistic thinking. That kind of angle.
As with most topics you show me ten surveys for it and I will show you 10 against it, from any angle. I was just curious to know which angle you were coming from. It would also depend on what class it was for. If it's science then the technical aspect comes into play. If it was english, any thing could go. If it were a political class or socialogy, then the way society accepts these would be pertinent.
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How do we know they wouldn't have lost just as much by eating the 500 calories alone?0
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Thank you hmalin and dlaplume2. Both good points. Without a controlled enviornment it is hard to know all the veriables I was just hoping to get an idea. As far as my angle it strictly a research paper so I have no opinion on WHEATHER it is a good or bad thing.
I'm sorry I didn't mean to imply any secret angle. I meant as to what angle you were looking at as far as technical medical aspects, societies opinion on fad diets, whether or not there is an scientific evidence that they work or not, maybe the placebo aspect of whether the results are real or just optomistic thinking. That kind of angle.
As with most topics you show me ten surveys for it and I will show you 10 against it, from any angle. I was just curious to know which angle you were coming from. It would also depend on what class it was for. If it's science then the technical aspect comes into play. If it was english, any thing could go. If it were a political class or socialogy, then the way society accepts these would be pertinent.
Just my 2 cents
Sorry I know that came off a little definsive. The capital wheater was to aknowledge the spelling error mentioined by a previous post. lol
The paper will be for a Health class. It mainly discusses the long term effects of fad dieting. While I will be talking about what it may or may not do to the body I didn't want to get into that on here. I totally agree with you though everything you find with a positive opionion you will find just as many negatives. I wish it was for a Science class I would love to run a controlled science project on this... Wouldn't that be fun.0 -
How do we know they wouldn't have lost just as much by eating the 500 calories alone?
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While we don't know that without doing a study but if we are to assume the calorie in calorie out method is correct then the weght loss wouldn't be the same... I guess if anyone reading this that has any experience on anarexia and how fast the weight is lost would pipe in that would be greatly appreciated.0 -
BMR isn't 'how much an average person would burn in a day with normal activity,' it's 'how much would be burned if that person was essentially in a coma.' Your estimation of how much an average person would burn in an average day is off, thus throwing off the rest of your calculations.
Okay now that I have rethought this what you are saying makes since. This is all so confusing to me. So when I do the math at 2000 calories that is a 10,500 calorie defficet which is 3 lbs a week instead of my original thought of 1.5 ish.0 -
Read this.. This should help with some solid info.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-energy-balance-equation.html0 -
How do we know they wouldn't have lost just as much by eating the 500 calories alone?
Well, I for one have done the 500 calories per day with and without the HCG.
Without the HCG I barely lasted 3 days due to starving and rumbles in my stomach and constantly feeling like I wanted to throw up. I only lost a pound or 2 this way also.
Taking the HCG injection that my doctor prescribed to me I was never hungry and sometimes had to force myself to eat. I did 2 rounds of HCG and lost 38 pounds last year that I kept off.0 -
BMR isn't 'how much an average person would burn in a day with normal activity,' it's 'how much would be burned if that person was essentially in a coma.' Your estimation of how much an average person would burn in an average day is off, thus throwing off the rest of your calculations.
Correct. It would be better if you used the TDEE system which accounts for activity level instead.0 -
Read this.. This should help with some solid info.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-energy-balance-equation.html
Nice Read!!!0 -
Read this.. This should help with some solid info.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-energy-balance-equation.html
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Earlier this year my daughter did the HCG diet and lost 52 pounds, I was against it after reading up on it on the internet...I started a program of using my elliptical machine for 40 minutes 6 days a week, and a well balanced diet of about 1200 calories, well minus the work out calories I'd say we were about even, like I said she lost 52 and my weight loss, oh yeah, a great 2 pounds!!! At 57 nothing seemed to get the weight moving, I am very active have a very physical job and am in good health eat healthy, just overweight!!
Out of desperation I finally gave in and said I too would try the HCG, well in 45 days I have lost 30 pounds and did not lose my energy. My husband who has been a body builder most of his adult life also then did a quick round and lost the extra body fat around his middle, not his muscle. I was simply going to give it a try to show how it did not work...but that did not happen.0 -
to maintan there weight an average woman at 200 pounds would be eating in the 2000 of calorie range0
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Earlier this year my daughter did the HCG diet and lost 52 pounds, I was against it after reading up on it on the internet...I started a program of using my elliptical machine for 40 minutes 6 days a week, and a well balanced diet of about 1200 calories, well minus the work out calories I'd say we were about even, like I said she lost 52 and my weight loss, oh yeah, a great 2 pounds!!! At 57 nothing seemed to get the weight moving, I am very active have a very physical job and am in good health eat healthy, just overweight!!
Out of desperation I finally gave in and said I too would try the HCG, well in 45 days I have lost 30 pounds and did not lose my energy. My husband who has been a body builder most of his adult life also then did a quick round and lost the extra body fat around his middle, not his muscle. I was simply going to give it a try to show how it did not work...but that did not happen.
I'm not saying the HCG was what worked or didn't work, but did you try it at 500 calories without the HCG, or, at your normal calories with the HCG. If it were the HCG, then why can't you eat normal and take the HCG and lose weight?
How about when you go back to eating normal?0 -
More recent protocols for the diet have now upped their calorie intake to 800 calories and have added things like Greek style yogurt and eggs. They say their studies have shown better results with just a few more calories. There are 4 phases to the plan, the last two ( no HCG involved) have you adding back healthy food choices and basically seeing how your body does adding back to a normal calorie intake with all healthy options for example, sprouted bread rather than whole wheat. As with any plan, the long term outlook t is only as effective as the person is with their eating style.. For me personally it's still early, but I was able to do the next phase of maintenance without any weight gain, in fact I lost 2 additional pounds, so hopefully there was something to the reseting of my metabolism. Hopes this helps with your study.0
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