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TheRoadDog
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I'll give you the back story as brief as possible. My daughter graduated a year early, so her group of friends are Seniors in HS this year. For whatever reason, 4 of the boys look up to me. They either have no male figure in their lives or the one they have is abusive. Last night I went on Holland's FB page and saw that one of the boys, Zach, had posted that he was tired of the crap at school and wanted to drop out. I left a message "Do not drop out. Ask for help. If you need help finding help. Call Me."
Here is Zach's story -- He was born when his mother was 15. No father present. His grandmother is the main person in his life. Assh*le for a step-father.
Talked to Holland this morning and she filled me in. Zach got 2 F's yesterday and his mother blew up, smacked him and told him she didn't want him to associate with his Grandmother (her mother). She was a bad influence. I know his grandmother and she is the one paying the mortgage on the house Zach's Mom is living in.
Anyway, all that is hearsay and doesn't matter, anyway.
Here's what does matter. Zach packed up his things and moved into his grandmother's house. He called Holland told her what happened. Mentioned what I had said on his FB page.
I told Holland to have him call me, come see me, whatever and we would work this out. I don't want to see this kid drop out. Here is where I need help. I'm not a teacher, have no experience mentoring kids, let alone a 17 yr old and I'm in way over my head.
I am going to brace this kid tomorrow night when he comes over to the house after Holland gets home from college. I want to offer to help him.
If you are a teacher, mentor, tutor, counselor or psychologist help me formulate a plan. If he accepts my help, I know I need to go down to his school and advocate for him, possibly contact his teachers, set up some study time and a place to study where he won't be distracted. Maybe I can buy the books he is studying from and study them myself. At this point, I don't know what the two failing subjects are.
I figure my first step is to sit down, set some ground rules, maybe draw up some kind of contract, ask some questions.
What questions can I ask him to help evaluate where he needs help?
I appreciate any help I can get and I would appreciate keeping this serious. This ain't about me. It's about a 17 yr old kid.
Here is Zach's story -- He was born when his mother was 15. No father present. His grandmother is the main person in his life. Assh*le for a step-father.
Talked to Holland this morning and she filled me in. Zach got 2 F's yesterday and his mother blew up, smacked him and told him she didn't want him to associate with his Grandmother (her mother). She was a bad influence. I know his grandmother and she is the one paying the mortgage on the house Zach's Mom is living in.
Anyway, all that is hearsay and doesn't matter, anyway.
Here's what does matter. Zach packed up his things and moved into his grandmother's house. He called Holland told her what happened. Mentioned what I had said on his FB page.
I told Holland to have him call me, come see me, whatever and we would work this out. I don't want to see this kid drop out. Here is where I need help. I'm not a teacher, have no experience mentoring kids, let alone a 17 yr old and I'm in way over my head.
I am going to brace this kid tomorrow night when he comes over to the house after Holland gets home from college. I want to offer to help him.
If you are a teacher, mentor, tutor, counselor or psychologist help me formulate a plan. If he accepts my help, I know I need to go down to his school and advocate for him, possibly contact his teachers, set up some study time and a place to study where he won't be distracted. Maybe I can buy the books he is studying from and study them myself. At this point, I don't know what the two failing subjects are.
I figure my first step is to sit down, set some ground rules, maybe draw up some kind of contract, ask some questions.
What questions can I ask him to help evaluate where he needs help?
I appreciate any help I can get and I would appreciate keeping this serious. This ain't about me. It's about a 17 yr old kid.
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As a 28 year old girl - not married or a mother - here's my advice.
Find out what HE wants to do. Find out if he WANTS to be at school. Find out if he WANTS to go to college, or wants to find a job or learn a trade. Then guide him in whatever direction he wants to go.
It's hard when society makes you feel like you have to finish school and college to be a worthy person. The most successful person in my family left school at 15, and did a mechanic apprenticeship. He now owns his own workshop and loves his life, 15 years later. I on the other hand, finished school, tried university, left to work full time and still now have no idea what i want to do with my life. Uni wasn't for me, and I wish I'd felt less pressure to go.
Sit down with him and listen to what he has to say. Then go from there.0 -
I don't have any advice to give. Just want to give you props for caring enough to help this young man. It's easy to forget that the playing field isn't level and some kids are at a great disadvantage. I wish you and the young man lots of luck.:flowerforyou:0
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Sit down with him and listen to what he has to say. Then go from there.
^^ This. At seventeen, he probably has an idea what he'd like to do, where he'd like to go with his life, and it could very well be time for him to start in that direction. While finishing school is a good idea, and his "I'm quitting" attitude might only be reactionary to two Fs, there are other options that MIGHT be better for him. But mostly he probably just needs someone to bounce his own ideas off of rather than another person telling him what to do.
Edit: I'm mom of two teenagers and a pre-teen. And I'd like to throw in my kudos to you, too, for caring about this kid.0 -
I'm not a developmental psychologist, but I genuinely believe that even the most stoic realists* just wants to have value. To feel like life "matters."
I've never been in a situation that I haven't felt in control of; however, I imagine that it's terrifying. Tutors, mentors, coaches, friends...these are all things that need to be in his life.
Best of luck to the two of you.
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Difficult situation with a lot of variables. The difficulty studying may be due to the chaos at home, if the grandmother's home is more stable, that alone may help him do better in school and in general. You may consider talking with the school counselor, he may need more than just academic help.
I have founds teachers to generally be very sympathetic and willing to help out students who are struggling and are willing to put in the effort. Not sure about the school your daughter goes to, but the teachers at ours offer tutorials either before or after school most days of the week and sometimes lunch periods too. He may just need transportation before or after school to attend. I would contact those teachers, arrange in-face or phone conferences and get email addresses to keep in contact until he gets a better handle on those subjects. He may still need additional help at home but for my own children, I have found these tutorial sessions to be enormously helpful. They can ask their questions without embarrassing themselves in front of the whole class.
It sounds like this young man really needs a positive adult influence, particularly male. A lot of responsibility to take on, good for you for not ignoring the problem.0 -
I work at an all boys school, so I mentor, teach, counsel boys his age all the time. I would do what you can to help him finish high school. Tell him how important it is to get a high school diploma, even if he doesn't plan on going to college. I totally get that he doesn't want to live with his mom anymore, and that's okay. Can he attend the same high school if he lives with his Grandmother? If he agrees to stay in school, tell him you'll help but only under certain conditions. Let him know you will be in touch with all his teachers and his school counselor (make sure to get his counselor involved, but after you've let him know). Most teachers will tutor their own students before and after school, on their free periods, or even during their lunch times. Create a schedule for him of when he will meet with which teacher and when he will study (maybe he needs help figuring out where to even begin fixing these grades). Ask if he feels he will be able to study at his Grandmother's, or see if he's opening to studying at your home (if you're open to that).
I'll keep him in prayer!
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Be VERY careful how you handle this situation. Do not do anything out of impulse. Be upfront with his mother/grandmother because from my experience, family members will turn on you in a dime, accusing you of things that will stun you. If you do anything more than guide him, please write it up and have the mother or grandmother sign it in acknowledgement that they are aware of how you are helping the boy. My family and I had very good intentions to help the son of friend who was being abused, and our good intentions were turned into a nightmare. It's wonderful you want to help him, but please, for your sake, make sure you cover yourself.0
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It's hard when society makes you feel like you have to finish school and college to be a worthy person. The most successful person in my family left school at 15, and did a mechanic apprenticeship. He now owns his own workshop and loves his life, 15 years later. I on the other hand, finished school, tried university, left to work full time and still now have no idea what i want to do with my life. Uni wasn't for me, and I wish I'd felt less pressure to go.
So basically what I'm trying to get at is I'd try to advise him in a way where he sees for himself that school is important and worth the effort. Let him do most the talking but then you just kind of guide him to figuring this all out.
Good luck. You're a great guy.
EDIT: One more thing, make sure you don't do anything, ie talking to counselors, teachers, etc., without his permission.0 -
Just my two cents. I think you are already doing a great thing by showing him you care. Talk to him and guide him the best you can. Sometimes that's all that is needed. He may just need to know someone cares.0
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I'm going to start off by stating that I'm not an educator but I have a few thoughts for you and for the others posting here. I also want to stay that I think you are a wonderful person for wanting to help this boy.
While I get where some of the other posters are coming from, I think that allowing him to drop out when he has less than a year to go is not the right approach even if it's what he wants to do. It's becoming more and more prevalent in our society that you need at least a high school education to get a decent job. My husband is the HR director at a company that hires most workers at $9.00 an hour and they require a HS diploma or a GED to get those jobs. For $9.00 an hour. I don't think this boy wants to make minimum wage the rest of his life. It's a sad fact that the middle class is rapidly disappearing in the US and almost all that will eventually be left are low paying "anybody can do" jobs and higher paying jobs which require a degree or some sort of formalized training ( tradesmen, medical technicians, etc.) I'd use arguments like this in your talk with him to make him understand why education is so important.
You're first going to need to determine if the Fs are coming from a lack of effort or a sincere inability to produce passing work. I'm suspecting it's the former, but the possibility does exist that he just can't do the work on his own. Fixing the lack of effort will be a lot easier than the intelligence issue if you can simply motivate him to work to his potential. Also, are these core classes or electives? Failing home ec is not as devastating as failing English, but if he's failing two classes the chances are he's probably getting Cs and Ds in everything else. This issue is probably bigger than just the two Fs, in any case.
You might consider relying more on tutors than your own skills, depending on where he needs help. I know at my son's high school, for example, they have a math center where kids can go after school to get help with their math homework for several hours. Ask at the school what tutoring options exist or if they have a pool of fellow students who tutor. Also, the teachers may be willing to sit with him and help him if they know that he's serious about turning things around academically, as well as his attitude towards school. That said, your simple act of offering to help and caring about his situation, may go a long way to getting him motivated enough to help himself. Also, checking over his work, reading his papers and helping him to correct mistakes will also be very helpful to him.
I hope some of that helped. Please keep us posted!0 -
Wow, you have a big heart. I agree listen to this kid, maybe no one has done that. It is really a big help to others if you just listen and not judge or interrupt. It might be hard to hear or hard to not interject.
The school counselor would be my first call, let them know there is a student that is seeking help. Help the kid to seek help starting with the school or other community professional help.
Good luck, and if it start to get too deep keep a way out in mind for yourself. You can only do so much for people; they have to make a decision to change.
my layman's thoughs.0 -
Just to get it out of the way, Here is my plan so far.
If he accepts my help, I am going to speak to his grandmother and make sure it is okay that he would come by on a regular basis. Every day after school, if need be.
I think providing him with a safe quiet place to study is the first thing. I can do that. I can give him a couple hours each night. I want to be available if need help, but I would really like to see him work his own way through this. I see myself as someone to facilitate knocking down any barriers he has.
Do you think asking him questions to help ascertain where he is at could put him off? I would like to be direct and get an honest self assessment from him. Questions like what he thinks is holding him back? Is he taking any drugs? Is he dyslexic? Is he lazy? Does he really want to put in the effort?
I am very intelligent, but that doesn't give me the ability to educate others. Beyond teaching TKD, I have never tutored anyone. I feel I have one shot at this and I don't want to mess it up. When it's all said and done, I can walk away, but he has to live with it. So, thanks for the feedback I have received so far. I'll check back tomorrow and gather all your advice up and see where I am.0 -
I'll give you the back story as brief as possible. My daughter graduated a year early, so her group of friends are Seniors in HS this year. For whatever reason, 4 of the boys look up to me. They either have no male figure in their lives or the one they have is abusive. Last night I went on Holland's FB page and saw that one of the boys, Zach, had posted that he was tired of the crap at school and wanted to drop out. I left a message "Do not drop out. Ask for help. If you need help finding help. Call Me."
Here is Zach's story -- He was born when his mother was 15. No father present. His grandmother is the main person in his life. Assh*le for a step-father.
Talked to Holland this morning and she filled me in. Zach got 2 F's yesterday and his mother blew up, smacked him and told him she didn't want him to associate with his Grandmother (her mother). She was a bad influence. I know his grandmother and she is the one paying the mortgage on the house Zach's Mom is living in.
Anyway, all that is hearsay and doesn't matter, anyway.
Here's what does matter. Zach packed up his things and moved into his grandmother's house. He called Holland told her what happened. Mentioned what I had said on his FB page.
I told Holland to have him call me, come see me, whatever and we would work this out. I don't want to see this kid drop out. Here is where I need help. I'm not a teacher, have no experience mentoring kids, let alone a 17 yr old and I'm in way over my head.
I am going to brace this kid tomorrow night when he comes over to the house after Holland gets home from college. I want to offer to help him.
If you are a teacher, mentor, tutor, counselor or psychologist help me formulate a plan. If he accepts my help, I know I need to go down to his school and advocate for him, possibly contact his teachers, set up some study time and a place to study where he won't be distracted. Maybe I can buy the books he is studying from and study them myself. At this point, I don't know what the two failing subjects are.
I figure my first step is to sit down, set some ground rules, maybe draw up some kind of contract, ask some questions.
What questions can I ask him to help evaluate where he needs help?
I appreciate any help I can get and I would appreciate keeping this serious. This ain't about me. It's about a 17 yr old kid.
First and foremost, I congratulate you on this..it takes alot for anyone to step up to take responsibility of another one's child...slapping a child..whether it be a 17 yr old or any age for that matter doesn't make that child want to do any better..
I was a Teacher's Asst/ Substitute...plus...I home schooled my teen son for alittle while...as he had some attention problem at the time (Girls!! Hormones...argh, he's changed and calmed down since then..thank goodness, he's 17 and back in school!!)
Since he has moved to his Grandmother's...probably should talk to Grandmother first..and see about Home schooling..and here's the other thing...is Grandmother going to take Guardianship of him till he turns 18? Because Mom still has a say in the matter..so before you jump the guns on home schooling...you might want these questions asked..otherwise your going to reall be in over your head...
Message me...and let me know what's the situation...cause all your work might be wasted...and heart ache....0 -
Just to get it out of the way, Here is my plan so far.
If he accepts my help, I am going to speak to his grandmother and make sure it is okay that he would come by on a regular basis. Every day after school, if need be.
I think providing him with a safe quiet place to study is the first thing. I can do that. I can give him a couple hours each night. I want to be available if need help, but I would really like to see him work his own way through this. I see myself as someone to facilitate knocking down any barriers he has.
Do you think asking him questions to help ascertain where he is at could put him off? I would like to be direct and get an honest self assessment from him. Questions like what he thinks is holding him back? Is he taking any drugs? Is he dyslexic? Is he lazy? Does he really want to put in the effort?
I am very intelligent, but that doesn't give me the ability to educate others. Beyond teaching TKD, I have never tutored anyone. I feel I have one shot at this and I don't want to mess it up. When it's all said and done, I can walk away, but he has to live with it. So, thanks for the feedback I have received so far. I'll check back tomorrow and gather all your advice up and see where I am.
Ask him all those direct questions. Since he accepted your offer for help, he's willing to talk to you and he probably wants the help. Don't say anything in an accusatory way, just tell him you're trying to figure out what's going on. He'll respect that.0 -
Good stuff. Thanks. I have a jumping off point. Play it by ear after that.0
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How did you go? I'm so curious...0
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Progress Report....
I called Holland before I left work on Friday. Had her invite all her friends over for a late night BBQ at the house and billiards afterwards. By pure luck, Zach was the first to show up. Holland brought him down to me and then said she had stuff to do with Jan to get ready for the BBQ.
Had a long talk with Zach. Once he started talking, he let everything out. A lot of personal stuff at home that I can't share with you.
The two subjects he is failing on his progress report, though, are English and German. It is possible for him to bring his grades to passing by Christmas.
So, there is good news and bad news.
The bad news is that he feels he can do this all by himself and won't need help.
The good news is that Zach knows he has support from me and my family. I told him I want to be able to go to his Graduation.
When we were done talking, I felt pretty sure he wasn't going to quit. In fact, he was taking his SAT's the next day.
I've done what I can. I know it's not enough, but it is all I am going to be able to do unless he asks for help.
Thanks everyone for your help.0 -
Mike ~ I have a feeling you have done way more than you realize!
You are a beautiful man with a very very big heart!0 -
You may have done more for him than you'll ever know.0
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