Vegan Diet?

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  • Try slowing going into the vegan diet/lifestyle. First cut out all red meats and increase your vegetable intake (add spices & seasoning for flavor). Then after a week or two start cutting out poultry/fish, then after that eggs/milk/cheese, etc. Baby steps are key to successfully reaping the benefits of veganism and actually enjoying the foods.

    As for me I'm not a vegan, I am a Paleo/Pescatarian but I do enjoy many vegan dishes.
  • adamcrisis
    adamcrisis Posts: 35 Member
    I went in steps. I cut out red meat and pork first. Then 6 months later cut out chicken. Dairy was next...which was about a thousand times more difficult than anything else. Last was eggs and seafood.

    I love meat and cheese. Its completely delicious. Im not one of those vegans who says how that stuff is gross. The treatment of the animals is gross...but the food is delicious.

    The things I have learned being vegan for 6 years is that vegetables can taste amazing. Growing up I had never really had them prepared the right way...or used fresh amazing ones either. I got steamed to hell broccoli, canned salty peas, mushy canned asparagas, gelatinous gross canned beets. Now I live all of those things because I buy fresh and organic and in season. Asparagas is sweet and crunchy and awesome quickly sauteed with some garlic...who would have known.

    It took me awhile to take to tofu. At first it was gross and mushy and weird. I had to learn how to cook with it, and also the secret is once again buying a local brand. Im lucky that here in San Diego theres a local tofu making show that makes the best most firm tofu I have ever had. You dont have to drain the water out of it or cook the water out, its firm and amazing.

    And the vegan cheeses. I dont love them and rarely buy them. I make my own cheese like spreads made form nuts and make a cheesy sauce made from nutritional yeast. But youll have to trust me when I say that your tastes will change as your diet changes. I used to force myself to drink soy or rice milk. Now I love it and drink it so fast that I went out and bought a soymilk maker.

    Liking to cook helps a lot too. Theres an amazing amount of cookbooks and websites out there, and all kinds of fun stuff to start experimenting with. LIke Tempeh, Seitan, Soycurls, Nutritional yeast..ect ect
  • xashleemarie
    xashleemarie Posts: 5 Member
    Im a vegan - i dont believe the body is meant (or able) to process animal products & fats, Heart disease - #1 killer. Cholesterol is only found in animal products. Only herbivores can suffer these diseases as omnivores bodies are well equipped to process other animal produce..

    I have seen how animals are killed and factory farms where chickens are boiled alive and pigs kept in stalls where they cant move an inch for weeks until being slaughtered.

    Its hard for me to understand how some people dont feel the positives or 'cant' do it. I feel amazing =D
  • veganbaum
    veganbaum Posts: 1,865 Member
    I have to disagree that incremental changes are the only way to make a change. I did it overnight, and I know many others who have, as well. It's really about personalities, reasons, etc. Some people can do it overnight, others need change to be incremental. As many have suggested, however, you can gradually reduce the animal products you consume while increasing veggie intake. Just think how much more variety you can have in your meals if you start adding in veggies you have never tried before! And I saw at least one post about changing taste buds - this is huge. If you gradually reduce your animal intake and are adding whole foods, not processed, it is very likely you will find your taste buds changing and may find yourself tasting and enjoying food in a way you never have before (especially if you reduce sodium and sugar). That could change your mind about some of those veggies you don't think you like.
  • Kasya007
    Kasya007 Posts: 165 Member
    Ah Pangui, you are correct. I do place a very high importance on heme, as I am one of those people that does not get enough iron in my minimal meat diet.

    However most people new to vegan/vegetarian lifestyles don't realize how iron works and is absorbed through the body (heck, most of us "meaties" don't either). A common misunderstanding is that people don't realize that when consuming non-heme, certain foods/vitamins/minerals will either help or hinder the absorption of said iron source. And I won't even go into how intense exercise--which commonly goes hand in hand with dieting--depletes our iron stores (which are usually slow to diminish).

    I just wanted to point out that although it's a great idea & a good time to start thinking of alternative lifestyles & dietary choices, it's tough enough to just balance a weight loss diet without throwing in a new vegan lifestyle, (especially if one of the main reasons for the change is, "a lack of energy"). If we thought counting calories was bad, it's even worse when you find yourself worn out midday thinking, "Shoot, did I take my Vitamin C with those lentils today to help my body absorb the iron?" Or "Oh darn, I can't have that calcium with that, it'll practically cancel out absorption." Where as with the meat sources, that juggling is much less of an issue, if even one at all.

    Honestly Jess, my best advice (which is just my opinion, not professional advice), is to bring up the changes you'd like to make with your doctor. That way your doctor can monitor you in the beginning while you get the hang of the new lifestyle.

    Jess, these are some great links which can explain it more clearly:
    http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/iron
    http://veganhealth.org/articles/iron

    And Ashleemarie, your body NEEDS cholesterol. Oh, the things those "Meet your Meat" videos don't teach you. (http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/cardiovascular/cholesterol/how-the-body-uses-cholesterol.htm)
  • veganbaum
    veganbaum Posts: 1,865 Member

    Honestly Jess, my best advice (which is just my opinion, not professional advice), is to bring up the changes you'd like to make with your doctor. That way your doctor can monitor you in the beginning while you get the hang of the new lifestyle.

    I disagree. Doctors are not trained in nutrition. If a person has access to a dietitian, that would be a good option when making a drastic diet change if you have not done your own (thorough) research. Just make sure it's a veg*n friendly dietitian who supports all healthy diet choices, regardless of veg*n or omni.
  • gingerb85
    gingerb85 Posts: 357 Member
    I've had a healthy diet all my adult life, choosing whole foods over processed for my family. Some years back, I decided we would have a vegetarian meal one night a week. Then it went to two nights. Then I started using meat as an ingredient instead of the traditional plate of "meat, starch, small veggie portion" that I grew up on. Meat was no longer the star of our plates. I incorporated more fish and chicken, very little red meat.

    Two years ago I became vegan. My family is not vegan; however, they eat vegan more than half the time. Many times my 17 yo daughter will choose tofu over meat. I didn't like tofu either until I learned how to cook it! That was key! Now I crave it! That said, I do eat it once a week or less.

    Increase your veggies, try participating in Meatless Monday, find recipes that use meat as an ingredient, and slowly cut down on your meat/dairy/egg consumption until you are ready to go vegan (or vegetarian) altogether.
  • taem
    taem Posts: 495 Member
    I changed my diet shortly coming to MFP. No meat, no diary, no fish. I lost weight, lost my medication and I feel great. However, it is a constant struggle not to eat things like sugar and bread and fat.

    Most of my meals are starches, brown rice, corn, peas, potatoes and my blood sugar is fine. I do exercise everyday but not as much as I used to. I did a lot of research about my lifestyle change and I recommend you do the same. I recommend a youtube search on dr. john mcdougall and jeff novick.

    By the way, I am Asian and I say nay to tofu, cause it's about 50% fat--look up the nutritional facts on the foods you eat, before you eat them.

    I loved eating meat, dairy (I am not lactose intolerant) and of course, fish. If you really love meat, know what you are eating and sign up for email alerts from the USDA's Food Safety and Inspection Service web site, where you are alerted to food recalls due to diseases like e.coli, listeria, undeclared allergans: http://www.fsis.usda.gov/recalls/

    Oh look, a company in New York is recalling broiled chicken liver products; oh look its a class 1 recall (can cause death); oh its salmonella; and its an unknown amount of chicken. http://www.fsis.usda.gov/News_&_Events/Recall_090_2011_Release/index.asp

    Oh look, a texas company is recalling beef jerky because it has salmonella; and it's a class 1 recall (can cause death); 126 pounds of it. http://www.fsis.usda.gov/News_&_Events/Recall_089_2011_Release/index.asp

    I think eating meat is great, just umm be careful what you eat!
  • daffodilsoup
    daffodilsoup Posts: 1,972 Member
    I know that you said that you're not big on tofu, and a lot of people feel this way because they have simply not had it prepared in a tasty manner. Tofu is not something most people can slide out of the package and munch on. You have to love the tofu, marinate the tofu, caress the tofu. Marinated and baked, stir fried, or even panko breaded (I just spray pam on and do a light coating of breadcrumbs) and baked to make tofu nuggets is delicious! Take a look at some recipes online to see if maybe you just haven't had tofu "the right way". Also, soy will only be an issue if you have a thyroid problem.

    Also, tofu isn't the only option out there for someone looking into a vegan diet. Tempeh, a fermented soy product and seitan, made from wheat gluten, both have very "meaty" mouthfeels, and with some small additions (like soy sauce or Bragg's aminos) can really give you that "umami" taste that vegan food sometimes lacks. If you don't mind processed foods (sometimes), companies like Field Roast and Boca make great vegan burgers, hot dogs, and sausages.

    I disagree that you 'have' to do the transition in baby steps - my transition to the kinder side was pretty much done overnight two years ago, and I've pretty much never looked back. I am having a little trouble with it in China, but I still do my best given my circumstances - I still refrain from meat and eggs, but the Chinese use meat and animal products like a seasoning, unfortunately. The moment I return to the US, I am excited to get right back on the vegan bandwagon.

    Welcome to the club! :)
  • When I first became vegan, I also used to eat lots of greasy, empty calories, like french-fries, fried mushrooms, etc., but in time you discover that whole foods are the best. Oil is not a food at all. Sugar is a poison. Instead, you begin to eat fresh fruits and vegetables, legumes, and organic whole grains. Avoid processed foods (i.e. don't eat anything with ingredients you can't pronounce). It's really not that hard, but you have to give your taste buds time to adjust, to allow yourself to appreciate how good natural whole foods taste in their unadulterated state.
    William aka Tokyovegan
  • taem
    taem Posts: 495 Member
    Here is another reason to eat meat!

    Yes, my friends, you can also eat downed animals (those who cannot walk for any reason). The meat industry is suing so they can sell you meat from animals that cannot walk!

    Give me that side of sick cow!

    http://hosted2.ap.org/RIPRJ/6397c79c7d3340859b7550b24c166e13/Article_2011-11-09-Supreme Court-Slaughterhouse Abuse/id-69858d3780ba45f38f651ad5e0c44ff5
  • fteale
    fteale Posts: 5,310 Member
    There is no point in eating any diet that makes you unhappy.

    I am a strict vegetarian, because to me, I am happier knowing animals do't die as a result of my desire to eat them. If you don't have a moral reason for what you eat, then it is pointless to restrict yourself to a diet you would be unhappy sticking to.

    There are enough people out there with allergies and intolerances, they have no choice but to have their diet restricted, I assure you, it isn't to be taken lightly.
  • Every little bit helps! Why not start small, like Meatless Mondays? :heart: Then maybe start having vegan dinners every day.

    If you LOVE eating animal products, then a lifetime of never eating them isn't very realistic unless you REALLY want it. I say start small, and see what works for you.

    Definitely agree with this.
    Don't take on something you KNOW you cannot handle right now.
    instead, little steps can get you to where you want to be!
    and with each step, you'll eventually find out what will work for YOU,
    maybe the vegan diet isn't for you, but vegetarianism could be?
    there are lots of tasty replacements for meat.

    I personally just switched to the vegan diet four weeks ago, and I love it.
    Your energy levels change DRASTICALLY, for the better!
  • tmarie2715
    tmarie2715 Posts: 1,111 Member
    I went in steps. I cut out red meat and pork first. Then 6 months later cut out chicken. Dairy was next...which was about a thousand times more difficult than anything else. Last was eggs and seafood.

    I love meat and cheese. Its completely delicious. Im not one of those vegans who says how that stuff is gross. The treatment of the animals is gross...but the food is delicious.

    The things I have learned being vegan for 6 years is that vegetables can taste amazing. Growing up I had never really had them prepared the right way...or used fresh amazing ones either. I got steamed to hell broccoli, canned salty peas, mushy canned asparagas, gelatinous gross canned beets. Now I live all of those things because I buy fresh and organic and in season. Asparagas is sweet and crunchy and awesome quickly sauteed with some garlic...who would have known.

    It took me awhile to take to tofu. At first it was gross and mushy and weird. I had to learn how to cook with it, and also the secret is once again buying a local brand. Im lucky that here in San Diego theres a local tofu making show that makes the best most firm tofu I have ever had. You dont have to drain the water out of it or cook the water out, its firm and amazing.

    And the vegan cheeses. I dont love them and rarely buy them. I make my own cheese like spreads made form nuts and make a cheesy sauce made from nutritional yeast. But youll have to trust me when I say that your tastes will change as your diet changes. I used to force myself to drink soy or rice milk. Now I love it and drink it so fast that I went out and bought a soymilk maker.

    Liking to cook helps a lot too. Theres an amazing amount of cookbooks and websites out there, and all kinds of fun stuff to start experimenting with. LIke Tempeh, Seitan, Soycurls, Nutritional yeast..ect ect

    Thank you so much for saying this! It makes me so sad to hear people on MFP say they dislike all vegetables. WTF! Sheer numbers alone make hating them all very improbable.
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