3500 calories per pound? 2 lbs a week?
blackbeltfairy
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Just a quick question...
Does it REALLY take a deficit of 3500 calories for everybody to lose one pound? Because somehow, that seems all wrong.
In the past, I've lost up to 10 pounds in a week through healthy dieting, and I certainly didn't have a 35 000 calorie deficit! It wasn't all water weight, either. I'm eating less now by the MFP routine than I ever have.
Also, the whole "healthy" weight loss thing. I keep hearing over and over that healthy weight loss rates are about 1-2 lbs per week. So me with my 88 lbs to lose, it should take me about a year or so, right? But if I'm eating less than 1400 calories per day, I should lose faster than that, I would think!
Just wondering if there are any other skeptics out there... or if my lack of medical education is just leading me horribly astray.
Does it REALLY take a deficit of 3500 calories for everybody to lose one pound? Because somehow, that seems all wrong.
In the past, I've lost up to 10 pounds in a week through healthy dieting, and I certainly didn't have a 35 000 calorie deficit! It wasn't all water weight, either. I'm eating less now by the MFP routine than I ever have.
Also, the whole "healthy" weight loss thing. I keep hearing over and over that healthy weight loss rates are about 1-2 lbs per week. So me with my 88 lbs to lose, it should take me about a year or so, right? But if I'm eating less than 1400 calories per day, I should lose faster than that, I would think!
Just wondering if there are any other skeptics out there... or if my lack of medical education is just leading me horribly astray.
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Just a quick question...
Does it REALLY take a deficit of 3500 calories for everybody to lose one pound? Because somehow, that seems all wrong.
In the past, I've lost up to 10 pounds in a week through healthy dieting, and I certainly didn't have a 35 000 calorie deficit! It wasn't all water weight, either. I'm eating less now by the MFP routine than I ever have.
Also, the whole "healthy" weight loss thing. I keep hearing over and over that healthy weight loss rates are about 1-2 lbs per week. So me with my 88 lbs to lose, it should take me about a year or so, right? But if I'm eating less than 1400 calories per day, I should lose faster than that, I would think!
Just wondering if there are any other skeptics out there... or if my lack of medical education is just leading me horribly astray.0 -
ohhhhhhhhhhhh yeah it is in fact 3500 cals = 1 pound of fat. If you actually eat 1400 cals it takes likely 1800+ just to keep you lungs working and your heart pumping in a day. (400 deficti) If you look at your active calorie intake you are likely around 2000-2200 (another 400 deficit) to maintain your current weight, (this is my resting BMR and active BMR) so if you eat say 1400, well yes then you are maintaining a deficit of 3500 cals + a week. Its more then 500 cals a deficit a day, you have a 800 deficit with the above calcs 800 x 7 days = 5600 a week. If you want my personal formula email me. I follow MFP but for my own analytical brain I log in my food diary the formula daily of my actual deficit..........
Yes it will take you likely a year. If you do this too fast you will not keep it off and in some cases you may not lose if your body thinks its starving.....just follow the rules and you will see a loss.
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What do you mean by "healthy dieting"? 10 pounds a week really can't be healthy. Do you mean that the food you eat is all healthy?
Most experts agree that 1-2 pounds per week is the most you can lose in a healthy way. Any more and you risk putting your body through serious physical stress or losing a bunch of weight that you gain back as soon as you resume normal eating habits, probably both.0 -
You probably did get close. when you have almost 100 lbs to lose or more you need a lot of calories per day to maintain that extra 100 lbs so when you reduce you caloric intake and start to exercise you are probably getting a big reduction.
Bad side is don't expect it to last...eventually it will even off the closer you get to your goal weight.0 -
10 lbs in a week sounds much faster than is typical.
3500 cals=1lb. 2 lbs/week is recommended for those who are obese, 1.5-1lb/week is better for those who are moderately overweight. the less you have to lose, the slower it comes off. the slow and steady loss has been proven to be more long lasting than a quick shed of lots of weight in a short period of time.
you can find a rate that is do-able for your body and level of activity. 88 lbs (even if you stick to 2 lbs/week the whole time) would be about 44 weeks, or about 10 months-ish.
if your calorie deficit is too severe, your metabolism becomes depressed. this is the dreaded "starvation mode" that is really a misnomer. you'll still lose weight, but your body will be fighting against the loss, and will be prone to re-depositing that fat hen it becomes available to do so.0 -
Well Blackbelt
You could gain a bunch more weight that way you wouldn't have to wait nearly as long for the pounds to come off. Believe it or not the more weight you need to lose the quicker it comes off:noway:
I have been fighting with my 30lbs for several years now..........I agree 2 lbs a week sucks!0 -
Weighing in at 250 lbs, and starting work after a school year of sloth will make you lose weight. Fast.
I promise you, 10 lbs has come off with very few changes, no matter what all you naysayers think :P
Just curious. Thanks for all the responses!0 -
There are a bunch of different websites that will help you find an estimate of the number of calories per day your body needs for survival. You do need to burn off 3500 calories to get rid of a pound!
Healthy weight loss is .5 to 2 pounds per week. Yes, that seems low but the key is changing your life so that you never, ever have to go through this again. So that means you relearn the way you eat, think about food, prepare food, deal with stress, celebrate, etc, etc. If you think you are "on a diet" and in 12 months you'll be done with it and can eat normally again then you will gain every ounce back. Trust me - I've been there and done that more than a couple of times!
If you eat right and exercise you may lose a bit faster, and at the same time you'll be building muscle - which burns calories at a higher rate than fat does. So muscle will definitely help you lose faster.
Good luck!0 -
Don't forget that those 10 pounds you lost weren't all fat. I bet a lot of it was water weight.0
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Healthy weight loss is .5 to 2 pounds per week. Yes, that seems low but the key is changing your life so that you never, ever have to go through this again. So that means you relearn the way you eat, think about food, prepare food, deal with stress, celebrate, etc, etc. If you think you are "on a diet" and in 12 months you'll be done with it and can eat normally again then you will gain every ounce back. Trust me - I've been there and done that more than a couple of times!
Good luck!0 -
The same thing happened to me when i first started, I lost 6 lbs the first week and then probably another 4 the next week then it started tapering off because a lot of it was water weight. But you have to remember slow and steady wins the race!0
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The 10 lbs lost were definitely mainly water, do you even have an idea how much excess water is a body able to retain :noway: Other possibilities are you weighed at different times a day at the beginning and the end of that week or with different clothes on, this alone can make like 5 lbs difference.
A pound is about 3500 calories but it also depends what the calories come from. If you follow some of these diets that severely restrict carbs you will still lose weight even if you consume too many calories. It's because your body goes into ketosis mode or something like this, which is not its natural condition hence the unnatural (from point of view of mathematics) weight loss...
No matter how strict you are on logging your excercise and food and sticking to your daily limits, you will practically never see a 2 pound loss per week. In reality it varies very much and there's a lot of miscalculation going on... To begin with, the BMR calculation is just a rough estimation and there are a couple theories about it too so depending on which one you pick there's a difference in the numbers. Then there are personal features like metabolism speed and muscle mass, which cannot be calculated in your BMR... Not to mention the miscalculations in the food intake and excercise that happen on a daily basis... Unless you wear HRM 24/7 and have sensors all over your stomach and intestines, no one can tell how much energy you burnt working out or how many calories did your body really utilize...
Here is also a quote from another post that's relevant in a way...For example, if an individual needs 2,000 calories per day to maintain weight, reducing intake to 1,500 calories, assuming exercise stays the same, should provide a 1 pound per week weight loss (Note: 1 pound of weight is equivalent to about 3,500 calories). Furthermore, reducing to 1,000 calories should result in a weight-loss of 2 pounds per week and going down to 500 calories a day should result in a weight loss of 3 pounds per week. However, if an individual actually reduces their intake to 500 calories, the weight loss would not likely be a steady 3 pounds per week because of the reduced metabolic rate. It would likely be around 2 ¼ to 2 ½ pounds.0 -
[Here is also a quote from another post that's relevant in a way...For example, if an individual needs 2,000 calories per day to maintain weight, reducing intake to 1,500 calories, assuming exercise stays the same, should provide a 1 pound per week weight loss (Note: 1 pound of weight is equivalent to about 3,500 calories). Furthermore, reducing to 1,000 calories should result in a weight-loss of 2 pounds per week and going down to 500 calories a day should result in a weight loss of 3 pounds per week. However, if an individual actually reduces their intake to 500 calories, the weight loss would not likely be a steady 3 pounds per week because of the reduced metabolic rate. It would likely be around 2 ¼ to 2 ½ pounds.
How do you know how many calories are needed per day to maintain weight?0 -
To maintain your current weight, that would be your calories to maintain your BMR (mine's about 1500), plus activities.0
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Don't forget that those 10 pounds you lost weren't all fat. I bet a lot of it was water weight.
Hot dog, we have a wiener.
See, a gallon of water weighs 8lbs. So its entirely possible to lose 10lbs in one week... maybe even 3 or 4 of that were fat if you were extremely obese (I've done it myself). Most of it was probably water weight though like ipk mentioned.0 -
As far as I know, it is a very well established fact, that 1 lb of fat = 3500 kcal. However, when people just start dieting, they often see a huge apparent weight loss in the beginning. I saw it myself. I believe, the explanation is the loss of glycogen, which is stored in the liver, muscles, and fat cells in hydrated form (three to four parts of water). The energy deficit required to reduce weight with glycogen as a fuel is a lot less (1800 kcal/lb). This weight usually is regained very quickly as soon as people stop dieting. And when you try to lose it the second time, it does not go away as quickly.
Here is the paper about glycogen:
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/56/1/292S.pdf0 -
I was told years ago by a nutritionist at a hospital, that to loose 1 lb a week, you had to eat 500 LESS calories a day (7 days x 500 cal is your 3500 cal a week). Just seemed easier to get my mind around when put that way!0
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As far as I know, it is a very well established fact, that 1 lb of fat = 3500 kcal. However, when people just start dieting, they often see a huge apparent weight loss in the beginning. I saw it myself. I believe, the explanation is the loss of glycogen, which is stored in the liver, muscles, and fat cells in hydrated form (three to four parts of water). The energy deficit required to reduce weight with glycogen as a fuel is a lot less (1800 kcal/lb). This weight usually is regained very quickly as soon as people stop dieting. And when you try to lose it the second time, it does not go away as quickly.
Here is the paper about glycogen:
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/56/1/292S.pdf
There are all sorts of changes that take place, including those that you list. Things are pretty dynamic the first couple of weeks, and the larger you are, the greater the potential for big changes at first.
I have been following a pretty aggressive program--1000 Kcal/Day deficit + 2500-3500 Kcal/week aerobic exercise + 2 wt training sessions. I almost never replace my exercise calories and many days I only eat about 90% of my base. I have averaged 3.4 lb/wk loss over the past 7 weeks (24 lbs) -- and I have been stuck at 231 for about six days. So I KNOW the 3500 Kcal/lb figure is pretty accurate ;-)
I find the weight loss goes more in a stepwise fashion--stay at one weight 3-5 days, then a quick drop for 3-4 days. That could be my scale, too. I had a regular dial scale that is sometimes hard for my aging eyes to read (esp in the morning). I just got a new digital scale today, so I expect the changes to be more consistent (unfortunately, the new scale also revealed that the old one was underweighing by at least 1.5lb ;-( So I "gained" 1.5 lb today.0 -
I started dieting and exercising a few weeks ago. Ready to make the jump to a healthy better looking new body, and in about eight days, I lost 10 pounds. I am on week three now, and my weight loss is 15 pounds. This last week though, the scale would NOT budge. I think your body lets go and holds on in cycles. Fast at first then more gradual. The key is to just to trudge through the slow times to hit the next plateau. It is VERY hard for me.:flowerforyou:0
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oh yes, 3500 calories equals a lb. if you lost 10 lbs in one week I can pretty much guarantee that most if not all of it was water weight. Real weight loss happens much more slowly than that. It took me about a year to lose 65 lbs and I am still working on my goal. Slow and steady.
You have to remember that when you are overweight by 100 or so lbs, your maintenance calories are quite high. You'dd be eating within the high 2000s to maintain that, so dropping down to 1400 calories IS a huge deficit for you, much larger than for someone looking to lose just 10 lbs, whose maintenance calories would be more like 17 or 1800.
Everyone's body composition is a little different, so you may lose a little more quickly or slowl or quickly but in general you can expect to lose 1-2 lbs a week... until you get closer to your goal weight that is, then it becomes a whole 'nother ball game! :laugh: :flowerforyou:0
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